Just imagine the righteous indignation and outrage that will spew forth from the coastal media. Passan's head might actually explode.Teddy Perkins said:JDUB08AG said:
I mentioned this on the in-season thread, but a buddy of mine golfs with someone "in the know" and indicated that AJ Hinch has been tossed around as potential GM. Doesn't mean its going to happen, but it has been considered to some degree. It balances an analytic minded person, former player, and player centric individual.
I absolutely don't think it happens, but its offseason so I'm throwing this out there again.
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I agree that's why I said it's overpaying. But it's also the very max you go. If he says no then move on.gigemJTH12 said:hell noWabs said:
I think the max you go with JV is 80/2, and I think even that is overpaying. And I also think JV will want more than that, including a 3rd year. Some teams will give him that kind of money and a 3rd year. Let them, we have plenty of starting pitching.
redline248 said:
So why did Crane fire Hinch, again?
Same reason Boston "fired" Cora and the Mets fired Beltran. Rob said fire them or we tear you down.
Resign JV
Exactly...we just took the hottest hitting team in baseball and no hit them in their park coming off their biggest win in over a decade, and gave up just 3 runs over the next two games.CFTXAG10 said:
I love watching AL teams load up on bats like it will make a difference when daddy Houston is inevitably back in the WS next year thanks to stellar pitching
Question for any of you stats guys...
I'm thinking about the pitch clock and its impact next season. Is there any kind of correlation between a pitchers's age and time between pitches? I know some guys play it slow as a habit, but I do wonder if putting a time limit between pitches is going to wear out some of these older pitchers (like JV, Scherzer, etc) quicker in games and potentially reduce their effectiveness (especially later in the regular season and into the postseason).
I'm thinking about the pitch clock and its impact next season. Is there any kind of correlation between a pitchers's age and time between pitches? I know some guys play it slow as a habit, but I do wonder if putting a time limit between pitches is going to wear out some of these older pitchers (like JV, Scherzer, etc) quicker in games and potentially reduce their effectiveness (especially later in the regular season and into the postseason).
And they said, "Fine, but if you tear us down, we're sending in all the info for ALL teams involved, and tearing the whole thing down for the MLB." Checkmate and slowly walked away from the table as it wasn't good for anyone business long term. The reason why the Astros players got immunity was obvious to most educated folks, their immunity was given to bring up any other clubs involved.Mathguy64 said:redline248 said:
So why did Crane fire Hinch, again?
Same reason Boston "fired" Cora and the Mets fired Beltran. Rob said fire them or we tear you down.
Well for me personally it would certainly be easy when it comes to deciding where I'm raising my child now that they have one. Not that they can't afford several homes obviously but raising my child in Texas trumps all other options, but maybe that's just me.Kashchei said:JDUB08AG said:
JV wants money and stats. I think a WS is probably 3rd on that list. Just my opinion.
I will never be in this position, and I am as pro-capitalist "get yours" as they come, but how much money is enough? JV wants to be paid like the best pitcher in baseball. Understandable. But in the grand scheme of his life, what's the difference between $35MM and $45MM per? Between his money and Kate's they will never be able to spend it all.
Take $35MM, stay on the Stros, chase 300 wins and maybe get another ring or two along the way. Easy.
Pretty sure the players immunity was negotiated by their union, in exchange for a promise of truthful answers
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Man, I wouldn't mind Judge batting 7th at all. Less I'd have to see that goofy looking jackass kid from Toy Story.Beat40 said:Would you blame him for how pedestrian we made him look in the ALCS?The Porkchop Express said:
if we got Judge, Dusty would bat him 7th until he got a feel for his abilities.
Yep. And they were truthful when the stated they would not bring any other teams or players from other organizations into fold.07ag said:
Pretty sure the players immunity was negotiated by their union, in exchange for a promise of truthful answers
For JV:
That's really the only way IMO you can give him multiple seasons at a CYA level salary.
A lot of people don't want to hear this because we love JV, but here's the reality:
- Year 1 guaranteed
- Years 2 and 3 should have much smaller guarantees with a large portion of the salary being based on playing time incentives and/or
- Years 2 and 3 should be vesting options based on a reasonable appearances threshold.
That's really the only way IMO you can give him multiple seasons at a CYA level salary.
A lot of people don't want to hear this because we love JV, but here's the reality:
- We made the ALCS and the WS without him in '20 & '21
- Since winning the 2017 ALCS MVP he hasn't been good in the playoffs.
- Even without him, our starting rotation is already our strongest suit.
very good point many people forgetHarry Dunne said:
For JV:
- Year 1 guaranteed
- Years 2 and 3 should have much smaller guarantees with a large portion of the salary being based on playing time incentives and/or
- Years 2 and 3 should be vesting options based on a reasonable appearances threshold.
That's really the only way IMO you can give him multiple seasons at a CYA level salary.
A lot of people don't want to hear this because we love JV, but here's the reality:
- We made the ALCS and the WS without him in '20 & '21
- Since winning the 2017 ALCS MVP he hasn't been good in the playoffs.
- Even without him, our starting rotation is already our strongest suit.
I think it's more of a mindset to get as much as you can, not only for yourself but for the younger guys in the future that will be seeking FA contracts. The older guys know what it's like to be a young star but be paid below market value because of rookie contracts, arbitration rules, etc. and I think there's a lot of pressure on them not to accept hometown discounts and the like.Kashchei said:JDUB08AG said:
JV wants money and stats. I think a WS is probably 3rd on that list. Just my opinion.
I will never be in this position, and I am as pro-capitalist "get yours" as they come, but how much money is enough? JV wants to be paid like the best pitcher in baseball. Understandable. But in the grand scheme of his life, what's the difference between $35MM and $45MM per? Between his money and Kate's they will never be able to spend it all.
Take $35MM, stay on the Stros, chase 300 wins and maybe get another ring or two along the way. Easy.
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That's a little more understandable when it's Carlos. Setting the market for all-star SS in their prime. Getting what may be his one and only huge payday. I'm not a Carlos fan at all, but I understand that.cablinaggie said:I think it's more of a mindset to get as much as you can, not only for yourself but for the younger guys in the future that will be seeking FA contracts. The older guys know what it's like to be a young star but be paid below market value because of rookie contracts, arbitration rules, etc. and I think there's a lot of pressure on them not to accept hometown discounts and the like.Kashchei said:JDUB08AG said:
JV wants money and stats. I think a WS is probably 3rd on that list. Just my opinion.
I will never be in this position, and I am as pro-capitalist "get yours" as they come, but how much money is enough? JV wants to be paid like the best pitcher in baseball. Understandable. But in the grand scheme of his life, what's the difference between $35MM and $45MM per? Between his money and Kate's they will never be able to spend it all.
Take $35MM, stay on the Stros, chase 300 wins and maybe get another ring or two along the way. Easy.
With JV it's different. There aren't really even any comps for him. What's the next time someone is going to win a CYA at 39 headed into free agency?
And he's already made SO MUCH MONEY. 300 Million in career earnings, and that's just salary. And he's married to a super rich model. Is $10M really going to change your life?
I am reminded of the famous line by Patrick Ewing, when asked about why the NBA players were striking over money when they were all so handsomely paid.Harry Dunne said:That's a little more understandable when it's Carlos. Setting the market for all-star SS in their prime. Getting what may be his one and only huge payday. I'm not a Carlos fan at all, but I understand that.cablinaggie said:I think it's more of a mindset to get as much as you can, not only for yourself but for the younger guys in the future that will be seeking FA contracts. The older guys know what it's like to be a young star but be paid below market value because of rookie contracts, arbitration rules, etc. and I think there's a lot of pressure on them not to accept hometown discounts and the like.Kashchei said:JDUB08AG said:
JV wants money and stats. I think a WS is probably 3rd on that list. Just my opinion.
I will never be in this position, and I am as pro-capitalist "get yours" as they come, but how much money is enough? JV wants to be paid like the best pitcher in baseball. Understandable. But in the grand scheme of his life, what's the difference between $35MM and $45MM per? Between his money and Kate's they will never be able to spend it all.
Take $35MM, stay on the Stros, chase 300 wins and maybe get another ring or two along the way. Easy.
With JV it's different. There aren't really even any comps for him. What's the next time someone is going to win a CYA at 39 headed into free agency?
And he's already made SO MUCH MONEY. 300 Million in career earnings, and that's just salary. And he's married to a super rich model. Is $10M really going to change your life?
"Yes we make a lot of money. But we spend a lot of money too."
Well, a lot of these dudes are such fierce competitors, they can't help but look at the total dollar amount as another form of competition... as silly as that sounds.Mathguy64 said:I am reminded of the famous line by Patrick Ewing, when asked about why the NBA players were striking over money when they were all so handsomely paid.Harry Dunne said:That's a little more understandable when it's Carlos. Setting the market for all-star SS in their prime. Getting what may be his one and only huge payday. I'm not a Carlos fan at all, but I understand that.cablinaggie said:I think it's more of a mindset to get as much as you can, not only for yourself but for the younger guys in the future that will be seeking FA contracts. The older guys know what it's like to be a young star but be paid below market value because of rookie contracts, arbitration rules, etc. and I think there's a lot of pressure on them not to accept hometown discounts and the like.Kashchei said:JDUB08AG said:
JV wants money and stats. I think a WS is probably 3rd on that list. Just my opinion.
I will never be in this position, and I am as pro-capitalist "get yours" as they come, but how much money is enough? JV wants to be paid like the best pitcher in baseball. Understandable. But in the grand scheme of his life, what's the difference between $35MM and $45MM per? Between his money and Kate's they will never be able to spend it all.
Take $35MM, stay on the Stros, chase 300 wins and maybe get another ring or two along the way. Easy.
With JV it's different. There aren't really even any comps for him. What's the next time someone is going to win a CYA at 39 headed into free agency?
And he's already made SO MUCH MONEY. 300 Million in career earnings, and that's just salary. And he's married to a super rich model. Is $10M really going to change your life?
"Yes we make a lot of money. But we spend a lot of money too."
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I just can't wrap my mind around giving verlander this much money/years considering his age, past injuries and his performance this post season.
He deserves a lot, no doubt, but the numbers being discussed are absolute savage numbers.
We are not that desperate.
Go get me one of the 2 catchers available and a solution for 1b and LF before even thinking about verlander.
I'm fine with Vasquez, Yuli and Brantley at bare minimum. but that's first.
He deserves a lot, no doubt, but the numbers being discussed are absolute savage numbers.
We are not that desperate.
Go get me one of the 2 catchers available and a solution for 1b and LF before even thinking about verlander.
I'm fine with Vasquez, Yuli and Brantley at bare minimum. but that's first.
irish pete ag06 said:Well, a lot of these dudes are such fierce competitors, they can't help but look at the total dollar amount as another form of competition... as silly as that sounds.Mathguy64 said:I am reminded of the famous line by Patrick Ewing, when asked about why the NBA players were striking over money when they were all so handsomely paid.Harry Dunne said:That's a little more understandable when it's Carlos. Setting the market for all-star SS in their prime. Getting what may be his one and only huge payday. I'm not a Carlos fan at all, but I understand that.cablinaggie said:I think it's more of a mindset to get as much as you can, not only for yourself but for the younger guys in the future that will be seeking FA contracts. The older guys know what it's like to be a young star but be paid below market value because of rookie contracts, arbitration rules, etc. and I think there's a lot of pressure on them not to accept hometown discounts and the like.Kashchei said:JDUB08AG said:
JV wants money and stats. I think a WS is probably 3rd on that list. Just my opinion.
I will never be in this position, and I am as pro-capitalist "get yours" as they come, but how much money is enough? JV wants to be paid like the best pitcher in baseball. Understandable. But in the grand scheme of his life, what's the difference between $35MM and $45MM per? Between his money and Kate's they will never be able to spend it all.
Take $35MM, stay on the Stros, chase 300 wins and maybe get another ring or two along the way. Easy.
With JV it's different. There aren't really even any comps for him. What's the next time someone is going to win a CYA at 39 headed into free agency?
And he's already made SO MUCH MONEY. 300 Million in career earnings, and that's just salary. And he's married to a super rich model. Is $10M really going to change your life?
"Yes we make a lot of money. But we spend a lot of money too."
I think it's as simple as JV is a player union guy, and baseball, almost more than any other sport, sees not taking the highest bid as a disservice to the people who went before them and the people that will follow them. Cole said as much during his free agency and I think I JV made some comments about him getting as much money as he could.
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For starters, the JV negotiations will start at the after-state income tax number. Crane has said as much. Not sure what that percentage is at 43M, but I'd bet it's significant
I'd also bet Vasquez ends up in St Louis. Almost a perfect fit there
I'd also bet Vasquez ends up in St Louis. Almost a perfect fit there
A $43MM salary in California is equivalent to a $33.5MM salary in Texas. I suspect that Crane will ante up the money to match any potential Cali offer, the issue will be the 3rd year that JV wants. I doubt the Astros will pull the trigger on a 3 year deal but perhaps they can get creative similar to a Bonilla/ Mets type deal if they absolutely covet 2 more years.
Keep in mind only half the games will be in Texas.
With our young stable of pitchers and the need at first base, catcher and CF I think you let 39 year old JV walk….He finally picked up his first WS win this year and it was shaky at best…Great run with him but if he can't see and appreciate the Astro fans and how they treat their players (even while struggling) vs. the other teams fans with their players I say so long…
Yep, and you still play in all those other high-tax jurisdictions.Farmer1906 said:
Keep in mind only half the games will be in Texas.
In the end they don't much care about income tax. They care about the number because of their competitive drive.
I think these players are required to file state taxes in every state in which they participate in games. But the Astros do get the relief for all homes games, games in Arlington, and games played in Florida (Rays/Marlins)czechy91 said:
A $43MM salary in California is equivalent to a $33.5MM salary in Texas. I suspect that Crane will ante up the money to match any potential Cali offer, the issue will be the 3rd year that JV wants. I doubt the Astros will pull the trigger on a 3 year deal but perhaps they can get creative similar to a Bonilla/ Mets type deal if they absolutely covet 2 more years.
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They do file taxes there. As a consultant I had to file taxes at all the companies I worked at in the year. My record was 11 states. I can't imagine the complexity of their tax returns and the number of states involved.
These guys have egos. They don't care about the state tax. They want a number that shows them as the highest paid (gross).
Turns out I learned something new, thanks for enlightening me!MAROON said:I think these players are required to file state taxes in every state in which they participate in games. But the Astros do get the relief for all homes games, games in Arlington, and games played in Florida (Rays/Marlins)czechy91 said:
A $43MM salary in California is equivalent to a $33.5MM salary in Texas. I suspect that Crane will ante up the money to match any potential Cali offer, the issue will be the 3rd year that JV wants. I doubt the Astros will pull the trigger on a 3 year deal but perhaps they can get creative similar to a Bonilla/ Mets type deal if they absolutely covet 2 more years.
Doesn't squeezing every dollar for these max contracts hurt everyone else in the big league? I always thought that argument was incredibly disingenuous and complete BS. Used as a way to feel less guilty for bilking owners out of every penny they can get.
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