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FrioAg 00 said:

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I think it has something to do with his "I'm the most badass dude on the planet" stance

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I think you're way off here.

Regardless of his struggles in the clutch a top 5 Astro list without Bagwell is a joke.

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I've mentioned before that the end of Baggy's career left me with some sour grapes on the subject of him, but he was a megastar during his playing days and impossible to leave off the list. Biggio and Bagwell's careers would have been significantly lessened without each other's presence, and Bagwell's 1994 season was one for the ages. He's not in my top 5 favorites, but definitely in the top best.

The Porkchop Express said:

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Bregxit said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Nolan never won more than 16 games as an Astro. He never approached the strikeout numbers he had in California. He struck out 327+ 5 times there, his high in Houston was 270. He had one season with 10 complete games, and two seasons with 3 shutouts.

From 1976-1979, JR was 20-15, 18-12, 18-11, 18-13. ERA: 2.75, 2.97, 3.11, 2.71. Strikeouts: 214, 214, 303, 313. he threw 62 complete games and 13 shutouts in those 4 years.

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So because Nolan in Houston didn't approach Nolan in California's numbers, he is nowhere near JR? Wins don't make a hill of beans as to whether a pitcher is bad, good, great or whatever. Ryan never got run support in Houston. For example, in 1987 he became the first and only pitcher ever to not win the Cy Young when leading the league in both ERA and strikeouts...all because the lack of run support led to an 8-16 record. His workload was also managed drastically different in Houston than in California previously. The late 70s were the end of the "finish what you started" era. Nolan's inning count reflects that. The 80s was the beginning of managing pitch counts and heavier bullpen usage.

I am not diminishing JR by any stretch, but to say Ryan was nowhere near him in Astros history is absurd.

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I didn't say he was nowhere near JR. I'm saying in my opinion JR was better. I'd put Nolan in the top 4 for sure of Astro pitchers, but not as good as JR. But it's difficult to believe he didn't get run support for an entire decade.

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You are right, I misread the nowhere close comment. JR's run support averaged a half run higher both per start and R/27outs pitched than Nolan. 1985 and 1987 were particularly bad for Nolan while he was in a game at 2.9R/27 outs pitched.

You're right. I went to plenty of Nolan games in the 80s where he would lose 2-0 or 3-1. He was our long-time favorite alongside Cheo Cruz, and when I saw Nolan at TCU in 1995 in person, I literally stopped walking and my friend went crashing into me. I was quite star struck

Clearly wasn't the 2nd best Alvin pitcher of all time you were facing.

Bregxit said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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You're right. I went to plenty of Nolan games in the 80s where he would lose 2-0 or 3-1. He was our long-time favorite alongside Cheo Cruz, and when I saw Nolan at TCU in 1995 in person, I literally stopped walking and my friend went crashing into me. I was quite star struck

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I was in a pitchers duel against Alvin when Reese was in the team. I went 8 2/3 and they walked it off on an error and a double. Nolan shook mine and the Alvin pitcher's hands after the game and said we did a heck of a job. Highlight of my baseball career.

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When I was in HS with Cheo Jr., Bellaire played Alvin in the regional semifinals one year and Alvin walked Cruz Jr. intentionally with the bases loaded in the top of the first inning so they didn't have to pitch to him. He hit .600 his senior year.

Bregxit said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Bregxit said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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You're right. I went to plenty of Nolan games in the 80s where he would lose 2-0 or 3-1. He was our long-time favorite alongside Cheo Cruz, and when I saw Nolan at TCU in 1995 in person, I literally stopped walking and my friend went crashing into me. I was quite star struck

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I was in a pitchers duel against Alvin when Reese was in the team. I went 8 2/3 and they walked it off on an error and a double. Nolan shook mine and the Alvin pitcher's hands after the game and said we did a heck of a job. Highlight of my baseball career.

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When I was in HS with Cheo Jr., Bellaire played Alvin in the regional semifinals one year and Alvin walked Cruz Jr. intentionally with the bases loaded in the top of the first inning so they didn't have to pitch to him. He hit .600 his senior year.

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Pretty sure I have told this here before, but we played a preseason game against Bellaire. I struck Cheito out the first time up. Second time he hit a ball about 550' off of me. My neck still hurts from the whiplash.

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Bellaire was cheating its ass off in baseball throughout the 80s and 90s. There were some sleazeball apartments on Bissonet and Bellaire Blvd. what cost about $250/month, so parents would rent one, pretend it was their home address, and enroll their kids at BHS. My sophomore year, Bellaire had 3 future MLBers on its roster, but only 1 of them, Kelly Wunsch (Gigem) was zoned there. Cruz lived in Friendswood but came to Bellaire on a foreign language transfer, and Jeff Devanon's parents had the phony apartment, he lived literally across the street from Westbury HS.

Yeah I remember hearing about Devanon. I remember Schreiber was a d-bag. Did he weasel his way in as well?

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Yeah I remember hearing about Devanon. I remember Schreiber was a d-bag. Did he weasel his way in as well?

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I don't remember him. I was too busy helping our basketball team go 8-22 to get to know too many of the baseball players

…I guess Bellaire got tired of losing to Sharpstown in the 70's and early 80's.

Taxman90 said:

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…I guess Bellaire got tired of losing to Sharpstown in the 70's and early 80's.

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No idea! I was in elementary school then.

From @EvanDrellich's new article, MLB might adjust some of the new rules. He says, "It wasn’t immediately known what specific changes were discussed, but if any are made, they’re not expected to be major." I'm Team Pitch Clock, but I wouldn't mind https://t.co/KL8qUJsPJO… https://t.co/osQQ0xk3Sa pic.twitter.com/8hAcpcistE

— Jared Carrabis (@Jared_Carrabis) March 21, 2023

Couldn't agree more. It's a mix of old with bunting, power, and speed. Beautiful baseball

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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I really enjoy Japanese baseball. It's very pure

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100%

I'd say this is even true with the Little Leaguers as well.

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Who the hell is Bill Hall

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I think he played for the Brewers for a long time. The 2011 Astros were not exactly a team to write home about. BR.com says we signed him as a free agent in December 2010 and released him on June 4 2011 so he must have been pretty spectacular.

That was the 56-106 season, Here's your opening day lineup.

CF Michael Bourn
SS Angel Sanchez - I really have no clue who this is
RF Hunter Pence
LF Carlos Lee
2B Bill Hall
3B Chris Johnson
1B Brett Wallace
C Humberto Quintero
P Brett Myers

and here is your last day of the season lineup - please use the bag in the seatback pocket in front of you if you are feeling nauseous

CF JB Shuck
2B Jose Altuve
LF JD Martinez
1B Carlos Lee
RF Brian Bogusevic
3B Jimmy Paredes
SS Clint Barmes
C Humberto Quintero
P Brett Myers

He's gone off the deep end, but he's a good follow because he does have decent insider info.

Astros-Marlins pic.twitter.com/WfaiCffbtA

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) March 21, 2023

On ATTSSW

Starters for the week

Today: Ronel Blanco
Wed @ NYM: Hunter Brown
Thurs vs WAS: Luis Garcia
Fri vs MIA: Framber Valdez

— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) March 21, 2023

I had to unfollow. He is too much sometimes. I figured someone would retweet the good info he has, if any.

AggieLong said:

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I had to unfollow. He is too much sometimes. I figured someone would retweet the good info he has, if any.

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Yeah, I can't stand the guy. Also I would take his "inside info" with a grain of salt. He mentions having "friends" on the team way too often for someone to actually have friends on the team lol

Always take any insider info with a grain of salt.