Semien HR the hard way LOL

Triple + 1B error maybe?

Edit - sounds like they went with double + 2b

That was wild! I'm thinking triple and error.

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Also not sure I would consider that a "haul" for the Reds

Noelvi Marte - A+
Levi Stoudt - AA
Andrew Moore - A
Edwin Arroyo - A

None of those guys will probably see the majors within 5 years

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The Reds got the Mariners #1, #3, and #5 prospects in that trade. That's a haul.

My fantasy team? Lol. I like Perez. I'm just being real here. Hanging on to a 31 year old Perez having a career year when the trade market for starting pitchers may be the best it's been in years. All because Perez tugged on your heart strings by saying he wants to be a Ranger. All I'm saying is if the Rangers can get a couple of top prospects from a team then yes you have to pull the trigger. This gives you ammo for more trades in the future (possibly Soto or an SP next season).


And if Perez truly wants to be a Ranger he'd understand and sign here next season. Appreciating the chance to actually play meaningful games in October.

He's got 10+ years of tape showing what he is. No one is giving up any kind of haul for 2 months of a guy whose surge has to be greatly chalked up to his mindset in where he is playing. Nothing to do with heart strings. Pure reality. His value seems to be here

Putting tin foil hat on. Is CY playing chess here though? Did he drive up the price of Castillo for the M's, all but eliminating them for Soto or making them over pay period? Also possibly driving the market up for Perez potentially?

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He's got 10+ years of tape showing what he is. No one is giving up any kind of haul for 2 months of a guy whose surge has to be greatly chalked up to his mindset in where he is playing. Nothing to do with heart strings. Pure reality. His value seems to be here

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If no one is going to provide a decent return then no deal. We agree on that.

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Also not sure I would consider that a "haul" for the Reds

Noelvi Marte - A+
Levi Stoudt - AA
Andrew Moore - A
Edwin Arroyo - A

None of those guys will probably see the majors within 5 years

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Marte is a STUD and will be called up in about 2 years. I can't believe they parted with him. Admittedly don't know much about the other guys.

I suppose you're right, but they are nowhere near MLB ready.

On the flip side, that is a lot to give up for 1.5 years of control. Doesn't move the needle for me as it pertains to Martin Perez. As I've said before, you wouldn't get anything close to that for a pitcher that is up for FA at the end of the season.

Marte is excellent, two are A kids where who knows (one is 18), Stoudt is 24 and getting hammered in AA.

Imagine giving up Leiter, Duran and Winn for Castillo.

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Mr Gigem said:

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Also not sure I would consider that a "haul" for the Reds

Noelvi Marte - A+
Levi Stoudt - AA
Andrew Moore - A
Edwin Arroyo - A

None of those guys will probably see the majors within 5 years

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The Reds got the Mariners #1, #3, and #5 prospects in that trade. That's a haul.

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They are #18 (eta '23) and #93 (eta '25) ranked prospects in MLB. Maybe equivalent in rankings to Leiter and White.

Not a big haul and if those are Seattle's #1 & #3 prospects... they have even less talent in their minors than you'd expect.

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Imagine giving up Leiter, Duran and Winn for Castillo.

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Exactly. No thanks

If we could get 1... maybe 2 Top 100 prospect, it'd be a win, in my book.

They Woody on pre-game. He said that he and Perez have had multiple conversations about the situation and as much as they would both like Perez to stay they are both ready that this could be Perez' last start this year, for Texas.

Sounds like the Reds found a tracking-horse in the Rangers who were willing participants to set a price. Hope the Rangers do the same.

Wow. Angels melted down tonight. Literally gave us almost all of our runs

Bad News Angels in the 9th

They have the look of a team that is about to absolutely fall apart.

There are serious questions about Trout's long-term health.

Ohtani sounds like he wants out.

It is a weird franchise... always has been.

At least Rendon isn't looking to bail and is under contract for another four years at $38 million per, so they still have that going for them.

That was an ugly, ugly game, but we'll take wins anyway we can get them. In regards to the Castillo trade, he has a career ERA+ of 126 but this season it's 160, he's having a career year. That plus the fact that he's controllable for another year drove the price up more.

What is the liklihood that the Rangers are only involved in Soto, in order to monitor the Astros?!

Last night it was reported there are only four teams still in the mix. The Padres and Cardinals are two. The other two are unknown. The Padres and Cardinals have been rumored since it was announced Soto turned down big money. I think I posted on their top prospect. Both are considered future HoF caliber marquee players. Players the Rangers don't have.

Some thoughts... like with Castillo, the Rangers may be interested to squeeze the Astros, if they are still in play.

The Cardinals don't seem like the type club that would sell the farm for Soto. The Padres do.

Here is another thought. The LADodgers help facilitate the Rangers getting Soto in order to keep him away from San Diego... and to a lesser extent St. Louis.

Dodgers have 6 of the Top 100 prospects.
12, 25, 41, 46, 69, 74

I could see them as a 3rd team in a trade to keep Soto out of San Diego.

LAD Give up #41 Busch: (24/AAA) and 69 Vargas: (22/3B, .294) and Cash for Martin Perez
Rangers Give up Martin Perez and Jung+Duran+Foscue for Vargas (3B), Soto, and Corbin
Nats get Busch, Jung, Duran, and Foscue for Soto and Corbin.

The Juan Soto trade negotiations are now down to just 4 teams, according to sources that confirm the process is moving along at a rapid pace. It is believed that at this point no matter how much the #Nationals offer Soto he will decline due to the fact the team is for sale.

— Jim Bowden⚾️ (@JimBowdenGM) July 30, 2022

I love what you did here, and a three team trade could absolutely be on the table. These GM's all know each other and have each others numbers, so I'm sure they throw around some ideas that stick occasionally. I still think it would take more to get Soto in your particular deal, but I like where your head is at.

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LAD Give up #41 Busch: (24/AAA) and 69 Vargas: (22/3B, .294) and Cash for Martin Perez
Rangers Give up Martin Perez and Jung+Duran+Foscue for Vargas (3B), Soto, and Corbin
Nats get Busch, Jung, Duran, and Foscue for Soto and Corbin.

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Why would the Dodgers give up two of their top prospects (and cash) for a guy who might get the ball once in their postseason rotation?

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LAD Give up #41 Busch: (24/AAA) and 69 Vargas: (22/3B, .294) and Cash for Martin Perez
Rangers Give up Martin Perez and Jung+Duran+Foscue for Vargas (3B), Soto, and Corbin
Nats get Busch, Jung, Duran, and Foscue for Soto and Corbin.

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Why would the Dodgers give up two of their top prospects (and cash) for a guy who might get the ball once in their postseason rotation?

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Because the Padres wouldn't get Juan Soto and the Dodgers wouldn't have to face him in a Series this post-season.

Nor next year. Nor in 2024.

Kershaw and Buehler have both been injured. Kershaw is a post-season wildcard. Perez can also come out of the BP.

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LAD Give up #41 Busch: (24/AAA) and 69 Vargas: (22/3B, .294) and Cash for Martin Perez

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Totally unrealistic.

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Because the Padres wouldn't get Juan Soto and the Dodgers wouldn't have to face him in a Series this post-season.

Nor next year. Nor in 2024.

Kershaw and Buehler have both been injured. Kershaw is a post-season wildcard. Perez can also come out of the BP.

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Let me get this straight. If you're the Dodgers, you trade away two of your top prospects for a middle to bottom end of the rotation (possibly bullpen) pitcher, that you will likely lose to FA at the end of THIS season, simply to keep the Padres from acquiring a player?

Would you be okay if the Rangers traded away Leiter and Jung/Duran/Huff/whoever just to keep the Angels from getting somebody?

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You make trades to acquire players you need, not to keep somebody else from getting a player.

I do think the Dodgers are after pitching more than hitting, however, they have some pretty significant in-house talent and upgrades on the way. Beuhler is supposed to be back by September, Dustin May is rehabbing, along with Treinan, Graterol, and Kahnle. All of those are DUDES.

And the Padres are 12 games back.

I mean hell, if the Dodgers are already giving up 2 top prospects for what is probably a playoff long-reliever for them just to prevent Padres getting Soto for 2.5 seasons... why not just throw 2 more prospects in and instead of "preventing the Padres" an getting the piece you really don't need (Perez), you prevent the Padres and get Soto.

Ragans continues to pitch well at triple A. About the only one currently.

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And the Padres are 12 games back.

I mean hell, if the Dodgers are already giving up 2 top prospects for what is probably a playoff long-reliever for them just to prevent Padres getting Soto for 2.5 seasons... why not just throw 2 more prospects in and instead of "preventing the Padres" an getting the piece you really don't need (Perez), you prevent the Padres and get Soto.

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Tatis Jr is potentially making his 2022 debut in mid-August.

The Padres are running Kim (SS- .243, 6HR), Mazara (RF- .279, 2HR) and Profar (LF- .241, 9HR). Voit (.226, 13 HR) is at DH.

The Dodgers would be keeping their Top 2 prospects. They don't need another OF with Bellinger, Betts, Thompson, et al. Their payroll is already like $270M so they pay Tax on everything they add and it would be for the next 2 years.

If the Padres get Soto and Tatis Jr returns... they likely become the biggest competition for the Dodgers in the NL Pennant race.

I think they give Ragans a shot in September. He's been pitching really well this year. Something is off with Cole Winn though, he hasn't been the same since he took a line-drive off his heel early this year (May?)

from Bleacher Report:

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The Texas Rangers are in the mix on Washington Nationals star outfielder Juan Soto but do not expect to be the highest bidder, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic and Fox Sports.

The St. Louis Cardinals, San Diego Padres, Los Angeles Dodgers and Seattle Mariners were the reported top four in the Soto sweepstakes on Friday, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today.
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Jim Bowden of The Athletic reported Friday that the Padres and Cardinals were the front-runners but that was subject to change if offers from other teams improved.

The day before, rival MLB executives told ESPN's Buster Olney that the Padres were perceived as the favorites for Soto.
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As of now, it appears the Rangers, who are struggling at 45-54 despite an offseason spending spree that included bringing in star infielders Corey Seager and Marcus Semien, won't be meeting that price.

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The "that price" referenced in the last quote is the 125% return on Soto's value that the Nationals GM is wanting.

Not coming to Arlington is the take-away.

And it looks like the Dodgers got a RP (Chris Martin) from the Cubbies.

My plan may be out the window, even if the Dodgers were to get Moore and/or Bush.

Aaron Zavala was promoted to double A, and Alejandro Osuna was promoted to high A. Both corner outfielders who have had good to great seasons so far!

Osuna is the younger brother of a big leaguer. I think its Roberto Osuna