Similar to the wearing jersey thing. I don't have a problem with HS or college kids talking smack to professional athletes.Cromagnum said:
Classic Philadelphia d-baggery, right up to, but not crossing the line.
We got smoked 7-0 in game 1 of the 2019 ALCS and bounced back.texasaggie2015 said:
Last thing I'm gonna say about the game last night and then I'm turning the page...
I would rather lose 7-0 then 5-4 in a close hard-fought game during a series like this. It's easier to go into the clubhouse and think "well damn we sucked and got beat but let's get them tomorrow" than "we fought our asses off and it wasn't enough".
This team knows what they're capable of and very few championship teams have a run with no adversity. They'll bounce back tonight.
So wat would be more offensive for smack talking - a college kid with a job and a family or an older man with no family and no formal education?Nino Brown said:Similar to the wearing jersey thing. I don't have a problem with HS or college kids talking smack to professional athletes.Cromagnum said:
Classic Philadelphia d-baggery, right up to, but not crossing the line.
IMHO, the line is crossed when it's a grown azz man with a job and a family talking smack to athletes. For me, it's cringe worthy and out of line regardless of what they say. At that point it's "get a life man" if a damn grownup is doing it.
100%. I'm definitely a broken record on this topic... but be selectively aggressive. They have the latter part down, but not the former (right now). I have no issue with going after the first or second pitch if it's something they can do damage with. But a walk is a rally in the postseason too. Too many swings at pitches that Philly is hoping they swing at.AgLA06 said:
Or maybe having a plan of attack at the plate as a team.
I'm sorry, but it's pathetic baseball to be facing a team with limited pitching and guys are getting out on the first or second pitch. It's just bad and whoever came up with that plan at the plate should be fire.
Well, here's the deal with that. Outside of possible tipping, or obvious tipping that isn't going to be admitted, a lot of our strikeouts come from balls outside of the zone. Philly isn't going to chase and neither LMJ or JV have been able to consistently get ahead in the count.Wabs said:It just feels like it's very difficult for our pitchers to "close the deal" when they have 2 strikes. Philly battles and battles, then walks or gets a hit, or at minimum works the pitcher and increases the pitch count. I don't see that when we're at the plate - not every one of our ABs, but it seems like most of them.Deluxe said:It worked in game 2. It did not work last night.AgLA06 said:
Or maybe having a plan of attack at the plate as a team.
I'm sorry, but it's pathetic baseball to be facing a team with limited pitching and guys are getting out on the first or second pitch. It's just bad and whoever came up with that plan at the plate should be fire.
Generally I agree though. Feel like Philly has done a much better job than us this series of working counts and spoiling good pitches.
Totally agree. JV seems to have lost his swing and miss stuff late in the count (or Philly is just really good at making contact).Nino Brown said:Well, here's the deal with that. Outside of possible tipping, or obvious tipping that isn't going to be admitted, a lot of our strikeouts come from balls outside of the zone. Philly isn't going to chase and neither LMJ or JV have been able to consistently get ahead in the count.Wabs said:It just feels like it's very difficult for our pitchers to "close the deal" when they have 2 strikes. Philly battles and battles, then walks or gets a hit, or at minimum works the pitcher and increases the pitch count. I don't see that when we're at the plate - not every one of our ABs, but it seems like most of them.Deluxe said:It worked in game 2. It did not work last night.AgLA06 said:
Or maybe having a plan of attack at the plate as a team.
I'm sorry, but it's pathetic baseball to be facing a team with limited pitching and guys are getting out on the first or second pitch. It's just bad and whoever came up with that plan at the plate should be fire.
Generally I agree though. Feel like Philly has done a much better job than us this series of working counts and spoiling good pitches.
Javier has been our most consistent guy in terms of getting outs and K's on balls in the zone. As long as are bats come alive tonight and we're not jumping out of the zone swinging at crap, the series is evened up tonight.
Justin Verlander will start for the Astros in Game 5.
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Oh boy......maca1028 said:Justin Verlander will start for the Astros in Game 5.
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 2, 2022
Realistically, who else are you going to use in that situation?Wabs said:Oh boy......maca1028 said:Justin Verlander will start for the Astros in Game 5.
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 2, 2022
Tonight is a MUST winmaca1028 said:Justin Verlander will start for the Astros in Game 5.
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 2, 2022
I probably would have made a decision after tonight. If the Phillies go up 3-1, I'd probably pitch Framber game 5. Astros need to win tonight, obviously.Ags #1 said:
Who else would have started? Framber?
Yordan Alvarez is slashing .125/.282/.188 with two doubles, five walks and 12 strikeouts in 39 plate appearances since Game 2 of the ALDS.
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) November 2, 2022
I don't know why. You're going to have to win a JV start regardless if you go down 3-1. Even if you're incredibly down on the Cy Young winner, pitching him against the Phillies bullpen day makes sense.Sher Thing said:I probably would have made a decision after tonight. If the Phillies go up 3-1, I'd probably pitch Framber game 5. Astros need to win tonight, obviously.Ags #1 said:
Who else would have started? Framber?
Oh right because we've done so well offensively against the Phillies bullpen so far...CoachRTM said:
If you're giving up on Verlander vs the Phillies bullpen day.....
That's a big advantage for us - JV bounced back in a big way for his second start in the ALCS.
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— Matthew Seedorff (@MattSeedorff) November 2, 2022
htxag09 said:
To be clear, not saying the e Phillies were cheating.
But, can you imagine the *****ing that would be going on right now if our home/away splits looked like theirs and we came out in game one with 5 home runs in 5 innings….hell, they tried to make a national outcry for using pujols' bat….
possibly Garcia?Ags #1 said:
Who else would have started? Framber?
Realistic, I know JV has been more than great his entire career but....this one game will define a lot about him and his future considering his playoff struggles in the past, especially the WS struggles. Call me crazy but I think being down in the series actually helps the Stros. MLB/Fox want a 6-7 game series and believe Javier and JV get a more favorable strike zone the next two games. But, if JV is hanging stuff over the plate and not getting ahead in the count, gonna be a long off season.Wabs said:Oh boy......maca1028 said:Justin Verlander will start for the Astros in Game 5.
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 2, 2022
2006 Cardinals won the World Series had a record of 83 - 78 and this is hardly the only team that won less than 90 games to win the Series.Quote:
Finished just 12 games above .500 (87-75)
Beat40 said:Realistically, who else are you going to use in that situation?Wabs said:Oh boy......maca1028 said:Justin Verlander will start for the Astros in Game 5.
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 2, 2022
Obviously gotta have a really short leash if we're down 3-1. It's all hands on deck and I hope Dusty treats it that way, and early.Nino Brown said:Realistic, I know JV has been more than great his entire career but....this one game will define a lot about him and his future considering his playoff struggles in the past, especially the WS struggles. Call me crazy but I think being down in the series actually helps the Stros. MLB/Fox want a 6-7 game series and believe Javier and JV get a more favorable strike zone the next two games. But, if JV is hanging stuff over the plate and not getting ahead in the count, gonna be a long off season.Wabs said:Oh boy......maca1028 said:Justin Verlander will start for the Astros in Game 5.
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 2, 2022
What are the splits?Bad Poster said:htxag09 said:
To be clear, not saying the e Phillies were cheating.
But, can you imagine the *****ing that would be going on right now if our home/away splits looked like theirs and we came out in game one with 5 home runs in 5 innings….hell, they tried to make a national outcry for using pujols' bat….
Not even the home/away splits. Look at the day/night splits. Something is up
Have Kate tell Justin if he wins Game 5, Amy Cole will come help the 2 of them celebrate.Nino Brown said:Realistic, I know JV has been more than great his entire career but....this one game will define a lot about him and his future considering his playoff struggles in the past, especially the WS struggles. Call me crazy but I think being down in the series actually helps the Stros. MLB/Fox want a 6-7 game series and believe Javier and JV get a more favorable strike zone the next two games. But, if JV is hanging stuff over the plate and not getting ahead in the count, gonna be a long off season.Wabs said:Oh boy......maca1028 said:Justin Verlander will start for the Astros in Game 5.
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 2, 2022
It is fair to say JV has struggled in many of his World Series appearances His overall record in the postseason is more than solid IMO.Nino Brown said:Realistic, I know JV has been more than great his entire career but....this one game will define a lot about him and his future considering his playoff struggles in the past, especially the WS struggles. Call me crazy but I think being down in the series actually helps the Stros. MLB/Fox want a 6-7 game series and believe Javier and JV get a more favorable strike zone the next two games. But, if JV is hanging stuff over the plate and not getting ahead in the count, gonna be a long off season.Wabs said:Oh boy......maca1028 said:Justin Verlander will start for the Astros in Game 5.
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 2, 2022
. Well, it's pretty obvious that something is up with the playoffs with the longer he has to pitch in a short window and teams being able to catch some of his current tale signs or if he's tipping in the playoffs and not catching it as well. There has to be more to it other than facing "hotter" teams in the WS when you're ERA is basically doubled in the WS. Don't know if his velocity or command has been down in WS's but something's obviously been there because the numbers don't lie.jkag89 said:It is fair to say JV has struggled in many of his World Series appearances His overall record in the postseason is more than solid IMO.Nino Brown said:Realistic, I know JV has been more than great his entire career but....this one game will define a lot about him and his future considering his playoff struggles in the past, especially the WS struggles. Call me crazy but I think being down in the series actually helps the Stros. MLB/Fox want a 6-7 game series and believe Javier and JV get a more favorable strike zone the next two games. But, if JV is hanging stuff over the plate and not getting ahead in the count, gonna be a long off season.Wabs said:Oh boy......maca1028 said:Justin Verlander will start for the Astros in Game 5.
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) November 2, 2022
unfortunately this is what usually happens to the losing team in a playoff series.EastCoastAgNc said:Yordan Alvarez is slashing .125/.282/.188 with two doubles, five walks and 12 strikeouts in 39 plate appearances since Game 2 of the ALDS.
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) November 2, 2022
it keeps happeningW said:unfortunately this is what usually happens to the losing team in a playoff series.EastCoastAgNc said:Yordan Alvarez is slashing .125/.282/.188 with two doubles, five walks and 12 strikeouts in 39 plate appearances since Game 2 of the ALDS.
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) November 2, 2022
one or more of their star hitters goes ice cold.
(see Judge in the ALCS)
