texasaggie2015 said:

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Good win last night. Framber is a machine.. I'm more and more impressed with him each start.

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Get those 2023 Cy Young futures bets in now

His composure is what really impresses me. His ability to get ground balls in big spots is uncanny.

spadilly said:

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HOW DID A 8 YEAR OLD GET ON THE FIELD @barstoolchicago @barstoolsports pic.twitter.com/yiXFQrRQXO

— Ryan Renko (@RyanRenkosiak) August 18, 2022

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I've seen vids of kids in Europe running out to players and as security it about to take them away the player like Messi stops them and lets the kid get a selfie with him.

I can only imagine that's going to make this kind of thing worse.

texasaggie2015 said:

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His composure is what really impresses me. His ability to get ground balls in big spots is uncanny.

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Watching him in 2019, I never ever would have guessed "steely composure in big spots" would become one of his attributes

A's released Elvis. Do we take a flyer here?

bearkatag15 said:

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Walk-off grand slams down by 3 runs in Yankees history:

Babe Ruth, 9/24/1925
Jason Giambi, 5/17/2002
Josh Donaldson, today

— Jeremy Frank (@MLBRandomStats) August 18, 2022

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The Yankees actually sucked in 1925, they finished 7th out of 8 teams in the AL.

Then they went to the World Series the next 3 years (1926-1928)
and again in 1932
Then four straight times from 1936-1939 (all wins)
Then three straight times from 1941-1943
Then in 1947
Then five straight times from 1949-1953 (all wins)
Then four straight times from 1955-1958.
Then five straight times from 1960-1964.

26 World Series trips in a 38-year period
19 titles.
Holy *****

I was thinking that as well. Seems he's only played SS this season. So not a utility guy I assume.

TREX01 said:

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A's released Elvis. Do we take a flyer here?

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I was thinking it would be worth it as insurance, but if its true he was pissed about playing time I don't see it as a good fit. Pena, for better or worse, is gonna start.

TREX01 said:

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A's released Elvis. Do we take a flyer here?

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I don't see it. He's only played SS in his career (seriously, hasn't played an inning at any other position) so he doesn't solve our need for a utility guy. His complaint was also lack of playing time and I don't see him getting every day at-bats here.

That said, I wouldn't be opposed to taking a flyer on someone in a similar situation if they become available and are a better fit.

I'd sign him and put him in the lineup over Pena. For the last 2 months, Pena, has been about the worst offensive SS in baseball. He is a rookie with no track record so it would be foolish to think it will get better at this point.

Elvis hasn't been much better

Texaggie7nine said:

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spadilly said:

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HOW DID A 8 YEAR OLD GET ON THE FIELD @barstoolchicago @barstoolsports pic.twitter.com/yiXFQrRQXO

— Ryan Renko (@RyanRenkosiak) August 18, 2022

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I've seen vids of kids in Europe running out to players and as security it about to take them away the player like Messi stops them and lets the kid get a selfie with him.

I can only imagine that's going to make this kind of thing worse.

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Parents need a big fine

texasaggie2015 said:

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Elvis hasn't been much better

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Does have postseason experience. Wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him.

astros4545 said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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spadilly said:

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HOW DID A 8 YEAR OLD GET ON THE FIELD @barstoolchicago @barstoolsports pic.twitter.com/yiXFQrRQXO

— Ryan Renko (@RyanRenkosiak) August 18, 2022

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I've seen vids of kids in Europe running out to players and as security it about to take them away the player like Messi stops them and lets the kid get a selfie with him.

I can only imagine that's going to make this kind of thing worse.

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Parents need a big fine

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Pitch invasions (both kids and adults) has become a massive issue in Europe. Its gonna get worse here

Deluxe said:

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texasaggie2015 said:

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His composure is what really impresses me. His ability to get ground balls in big spots is uncanny.

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Watching him in 2019, I never ever would have guessed "steely composure in big spots" would become one of his attributes

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Framber? He credits getting together with a sports psychologist

TREX01 said:

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A's released Elvis. Do we take a flyer here?

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Likely getting picked up by the White Sox

bearkatag15 said:

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Astros finale in Chicago:

Jose Altuve 2B
Yuli Gurriel 1B
Yordan Alvarez LF
Alex Bregman 3B
Kyle Tucker RF
Trey Mancini DH
Jeremy Peña SS
Christian Vazquez C
Chas McCormick CF

RHP Luis Garcia

— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) August 18, 2022

Lineup of death??

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If Diaz is healthy then he should be there over Yuli. But we're getting closer. Mancini is back to back days.

Faustus said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Walk-off grand slams down by 3 runs in Yankees history:

Babe Ruth, 9/24/1925
Jason Giambi, 5/17/2002
Josh Donaldson, today

— Jeremy Frank (@MLBRandomStats) August 18, 2022

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The Yankees actually sucked in 1925, they finished 7th out of 8 teams in the AL.

Then they went to the World Series the next 3 years (1926-1928)
and again in 1932
Then four straight times from 1936-1939 (all wins)
Then three straight times from 1941-1943
Then in 1947
Then five straight times from 1949-1953 (all wins)
Then four straight times from 1955-1958.
Then five straight times from 1960-1964.

26 World Series trips in a 38-year period
19 titles.
Holy *****

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Have a better record than 7 other teams and you were in the World Series.
It wasn't until 1969 that you had to beat another team in the playoffs to get to the World Series (and 1961 when they expanded beyond 8 teams per conference).

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But to flip that argument around, now you have 15 teams in the AL with 26 players each on their roster - That's 390 guys. The 1925 AL had 8 teams with 25 guys each, that's only 200 players total. Under those parameters, the bottom 48.7% of players in the game today, wouldn't even be in the league if there were only 8 teams, so those other 7 teams were much more stacked talent wise than a lot of the ones today so you could make the case that having the best record against much better talent (for the era) was equally difficult to winning a couple of playoff series now.

They are just trying to enjoy their win for the week.

The Porkchop Express said:

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Faustus said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Walk-off grand slams down by 3 runs in Yankees history:

Babe Ruth, 9/24/1925
Jason Giambi, 5/17/2002
Josh Donaldson, today

— Jeremy Frank (@MLBRandomStats) August 18, 2022

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The Yankees actually sucked in 1925, they finished 7th out of 8 teams in the AL.

Then they went to the World Series the next 3 years (1926-1928)
and again in 1932
Then four straight times from 1936-1939 (all wins)
Then three straight times from 1941-1943
Then in 1947
Then five straight times from 1949-1953 (all wins)
Then four straight times from 1955-1958.
Then five straight times from 1960-1964.

26 World Series trips in a 38-year period
19 titles.
Holy *****

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Have a better record than 7 other teams and you were in the World Series.
It wasn't until 1969 that you had to beat another team in the playoffs to get to the World Series (and 1961 when they expanded beyond 8 teams per conference).

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But to flip that argument around, now you have 15 teams in the AL with 26 players each on their roster - That's 390 guys. The 1925 AL had 8 teams with 25 guys each, that's only 200 players total. Under those parameters, the bottom 48.7% of players in the game today, wouldn't even be in the league if there were only 8 teams, so those other 7 teams were much more stacked talent wise than a lot of the ones today so you could make the case that having the best record against much better talent (for the era) was equally difficult to winning a couple of playoff series now.

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No comparison can be made between then and now. Pitching styles were different, skill levels were different, heck Babe Ruth your talking about a guy who in the end of his career they allowed to be pinch ran for...on home runs

The Porkchop Express said:

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Faustus said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Walk-off grand slams down by 3 runs in Yankees history:

Babe Ruth, 9/24/1925
Jason Giambi, 5/17/2002
Josh Donaldson, today

— Jeremy Frank (@MLBRandomStats) August 18, 2022

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The Yankees actually sucked in 1925, they finished 7th out of 8 teams in the AL.

Then they went to the World Series the next 3 years (1926-1928)
and again in 1932
Then four straight times from 1936-1939 (all wins)
Then three straight times from 1941-1943
Then in 1947
Then five straight times from 1949-1953 (all wins)
Then four straight times from 1955-1958.
Then five straight times from 1960-1964.

26 World Series trips in a 38-year period
19 titles.
Holy *****

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Have a better record than 7 other teams and you were in the World Series.
It wasn't until 1969 that you had to beat another team in the playoffs to get to the World Series (and 1961 when they expanded beyond 8 teams per conference).

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But to flip that argument around, now you have 15 teams in the AL with 26 players each on their roster - That's 390 guys. The 1925 AL had 8 teams with 25 guys each, that's only 200 players total. Under those parameters, the bottom 48.7% of players in the game today, wouldn't even be in the league if there were only 8 teams, so those other 7 teams were much more stacked talent wise than a lot of the ones today so you could make the case that having the best record against much better talent (for the era) was equally difficult to winning a couple of playoff series now.

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The Yankees also benefited by being able to pay more than their peers for players, and a superior roster will usually rise to the top over 154 games, rather than a crap shoot of a best of seven series, which they were able to avoid until 1969.

In 1930 the Yankees were paying Babe Ruth $80,000, which was 2.4 times greater than the second highest salary earned that year (Rogers Hornsby).

https://sabr.org/research/article/mlbs-annual-salary-leaders-since-1874/

Since baseball expanded and required teams to beat another team in the playoffs before getting to the World Series (1969) the Yankees have lost 17 series (before the WS). Being gifted a World Series birth by virtue of having a better record than 7 other teams is a better bet than having to roll the dice in a 7 game series after achieving a Top 1-2 finish.

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Faustus said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Walk-off grand slams down by 3 runs in Yankees history:

Babe Ruth, 9/24/1925
Jason Giambi, 5/17/2002
Josh Donaldson, today

— Jeremy Frank (@MLBRandomStats) August 18, 2022

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The Yankees actually sucked in 1925, they finished 7th out of 8 teams in the AL.

Then they went to the World Series the next 3 years (1926-1928)
and again in 1932
Then four straight times from 1936-1939 (all wins)
Then three straight times from 1941-1943
Then in 1947
Then five straight times from 1949-1953 (all wins)
Then four straight times from 1955-1958.
Then five straight times from 1960-1964.

26 World Series trips in a 38-year period
19 titles.
Holy *****

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Have a better record than 7 other teams and you were in the World Series.
It wasn't until 1969 that you had to beat another team in the playoffs to get to the World Series (and 1961 when they expanded beyond 8 teams per conference).

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But to flip that argument around, now you have 15 teams in the AL with 26 players each on their roster - That's 390 guys. The 1925 AL had 8 teams with 25 guys each, that's only 200 players total. Under those parameters, the bottom 48.7% of players in the game today, wouldn't even be in the league if there were only 8 teams, so those other 7 teams were much more stacked talent wise than a lot of the ones today so you could make the case that having the best record against much better talent (for the era) was equally difficult to winning a couple of playoff series now.

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No comparison can be made between then and now. Pitching styles were different, skill levels were different, heck Babe Ruth your talking about a guy who in the end of his career they allowed to be pinch ran for...on home runs

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I'm not comparing talent to talent in different eras. I'm saying that if you took the bottom 49% of talent out of the majors right now and just had 8 teams, it would be very difficult to finish first among those 8 teams. When there are fewer players, regardless of the era, there are less crappy players because of the smaller # of rosters, so the competition would inherently be stiffer.

The Porkchop Express said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Faustus said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Walk-off grand slams down by 3 runs in Yankees history:

Babe Ruth, 9/24/1925
Jason Giambi, 5/17/2002
Josh Donaldson, today

— Jeremy Frank (@MLBRandomStats) August 18, 2022

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The Yankees actually sucked in 1925, they finished 7th out of 8 teams in the AL.

Then they went to the World Series the next 3 years (1926-1928)
and again in 1932
Then four straight times from 1936-1939 (all wins)
Then three straight times from 1941-1943
Then in 1947
Then five straight times from 1949-1953 (all wins)
Then four straight times from 1955-1958.
Then five straight times from 1960-1964.

26 World Series trips in a 38-year period
19 titles.
Holy *****

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Have a better record than 7 other teams and you were in the World Series.
It wasn't until 1969 that you had to beat another team in the playoffs to get to the World Series (and 1961 when they expanded beyond 8 teams per conference).

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But to flip that argument around, now you have 15 teams in the AL with 26 players each on their roster - That's 390 guys. The 1925 AL had 8 teams with 25 guys each, that's only 200 players total. Under those parameters, the bottom 48.7% of players in the game today, wouldn't even be in the league if there were only 8 teams, so those other 7 teams were much more stacked talent wise than a lot of the ones today so you could make the case that having the best record against much better talent (for the era) was equally difficult to winning a couple of playoff series now.

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No comparison can be made between then and now. Pitching styles were different, skill levels were different, heck Babe Ruth your talking about a guy who in the end of his career they allowed to be pinch ran for...on home runs

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I'm not comparing talent to talent in different eras. I'm saying that if you took the bottom 49% of talent out of the majors right now and just had 8 teams, it would be very difficult to finish first among those 8 teams. When there are fewer players, regardless of the era, there are less crappy players because of the smaller # of rosters, so the competition would inherently be stiffer.

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I get what you're saying and I do agree with the comparison however in those times the player choices just can not be compared to today. Especially when you add in the fact of how pitching worked

Well I feel like this could go on forever, but just to reiterate, I'm in no way trying to compare the game 100 years ago to what it is today. If anything it's more of a comparative math problem.

I'm going to guess that PT for a team deep into last place makes sense as you'd hate to spend good years on the bench watching lesser players play....I'm equally inclined to believe that he would take a different approach being a utility/bench guy for a team who has the potential to get him a ring.