***** Official 2022 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 8:49p, 6/30/22
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EastCoastAgNc said:

Maybe we should look at raiding their bullpen at the deadline

Amazing how well the Astros have done in recent memory with no lefties to speak of, thanks in large part to analytics. Find those RH pitchers whose stuff plays well against lefthanded batters.
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8:55p, 6/30/22
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Last week or bullpen was tops, before the 2 blown saves.
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In reply to Marvin • 8:56p, 6/30/22
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Marvin said:
A healthy McCullers after the all-star break would have a Verlander/Johnson type of trade impact.


Eh...

Even if fully healthy I can't imagine he'll be able to have any sizeable workload.

Hell right now he's our #3 or 4 when he comes back.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 8:59p, 6/30/22
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Ag_07 said:
Marvin said:
A healthy McCullers after the all-star break would have a Verlander/Johnson type of trade impact.


Eh...

Even if fully healthy I can't imagine he'll be able to have any sizeable workload.

Hell right now he's our #3 or 4 when he comes back.
Would it push Javier back to the pen? Well, I guess the question is will Odo push him first?
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In reply to redline248 • 9:01p, 6/30/22
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redline248 said:
Ag_07 said:
Marvin said:
A healthy McCullers after the all-star break would have a Verlander/Johnson type of trade impact.


Eh...

Even if fully healthy I can't imagine he'll be able to have any sizeable workload.

Hell right now he's our #3 or 4 when he comes back.
Would it push Javier back to the pen? Well, I guess the question is will Odo push him first?


keep Javier in the rotation until he proves he shouldn't be.

Urquidy can go to the pen first
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In reply to Marvin • 9:05p, 6/30/22
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Thanks. Not sure I can get there before 5-5:30, so we shall see.
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9:11p, 6/30/22
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Why on earth would Javier go to the bullpen?

Over his last 3 starts
18 innings
3 ER
25 K
8 BB
1.50 ERA
1.83 FIP

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:14p, 6/30/22
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I'm not saying he should, but once we have Odo and LMJ back...we'll have 7 starting pitchers. Someone is going to the pen. Unless we trade one
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In reply to redline248 • 9:25p, 6/30/22
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I think Odo forces Urquidy to the pen then LMJ forces a trade of someone.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 9:30p, 6/30/22
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Ag_07 said:
I think Odo forces Urquidy to the pen then LMJ forces a trade of someone.

Trade no one this year. No way. In the year of the pitcher, the last thing we need is to get worse in that area.
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9:31p, 6/30/22
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Either we go with a modified 6 man rotation for now or someone goes to the pen. It won't be Framber, JV or I think Odo.

I've already said I would do a 6 man but you could leave it a 5 man rotation and use Odo and Garcia in a tandem. Garcia just can't get to a lineup three times. So use him and Odo.
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9:37p, 6/30/22
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9:38p, 6/30/22
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Right now your 5 man when everybody is back healthy should look like this

JV (2.03 ERA)
Framber (2.65 ERA)
Javier (2.73 ERA)
Garcia (3.54 ERA)
Odorizzi (3.13 ERA)

Lance will likely not be a starter this year at least until very late. You could swap him and Odorizzi in September/October if necessary.

Next few starts are big for Urquidy. If he does what he did in the Bronx, then he will push to stay in the rotation
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 9:44p, 6/30/22
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In reply to tjack16 • 10:00p, 6/30/22
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tjack16 said:
Marvin said:
IMPORTANT QUESTION, SERIOUSLY:

I saw a post some weeks back about bobblehead giveaways and there was an Astrodome... bobblehead? Had King Tuck in a throne as well.

Anyway, has anybody heard when that Astrodome figure will be given away? Need to know!!!





I've got one of those on my desk that they gave away the last weekend of the 99 season.
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In reply to tjack16 • 10:05p, 6/30/22
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Right now your 5 man when everybody is back healthy should look like this

JV (2.03 ERA)
Framber (2.65 ERA)
Javier (2.73 ERA)
Garcia (3.54 ERA)
Odorizzi (3.13 ERA)

Lance will likely not be a starter this year at least until very late. You could swap him and Odorizzi in September/October if necessary.

Next few starts are big for Urquidy. If he does what he did in the Bronx, then he will push to stay in the rotation

Given Lance's injury issues...is it too crazy of an idea to consider him for elite bullpen work?

Obviously we are paying him 17 mil a year...so that's higher than Pressly is getting as a closer at $15m/year

I suspect Odorizzi may have a big drop-off in performance, but I hope I'm wrong. Having options is better than not having options. Somebody gets moved to the pen, you go to a 6 man rotation (with Verlander always getting normal rest), or you have trade-bait
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:11p, 6/30/22
When does Hunter Brown pitch for the Astros? This year in the bullpen? Next year as a starter?
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In reply to Bobcat-Ag • 10:15p, 6/30/22
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Bobcat-Ag said:
When does Hunter Brown pitch for the Astros? This year in the bullpen? Next year as a starter?


Both Odorizzi and JV have player options next season. Both are pitching at a level that makes sense for them to test free agency. Worst case scenario both walk and we need to fill a spot next year with Brown:

LMJ
Framber
Javier
Garcia
Brown/Urquidy

I think he would be a bullpen arm this year then move into the rotation next year
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10:17p, 6/30/22
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I'd still like to see them bring him up late, and see if he could possibly even be ready for a few innings of middle relief by the post season

Then make him a starter next year
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 10:28p, 6/30/22
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helloimustbegoing said:
tjack16 said:
Marvin said:
IMPORTANT QUESTION, SERIOUSLY:

I saw a post some weeks back about bobblehead giveaways and there was an Astrodome... bobblehead? Had King Tuck in a throne as well.

Anyway, has anybody heard when that Astrodome figure will be given away? Need to know!!!





I've got one of those on my desk that they gave away the last weekend of the 99 season.

Looks like an old school dome. Upper deck doesn't go all the way around
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In reply to FrioAg 00 • 10:30p, 6/30/22
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I think he's too good to do the relief to starter flip flop method.

He needs to brought up to start.
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10:35p, 6/30/22
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I have nothing other than to say **** the Yankees
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11:14p, 6/30/22
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From an article Tags just put out. This quote from Boone got me thinking, them not getting a look at Odo or LMJ this year might mean something in the playoffs assuming those 2 are on the roster and pitching at a level that matters in the playoffs.

"They've done a good job of, for the most part, holding us down and … that's going to happen sometimes against good teams," Yankees manager Aaron Boone said. "We'll learn from all this and hopefully gain important information from facing their guys. We got to face all [five] starters. Hopefully, we make good use of the experience we get from facing them."
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11:19p, 6/30/22
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It's so beautiful
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 11:29p, 6/30/22
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lol
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In reply to tjack16 • 4:36a, 7/1/22
The issue is workload. He's never thrown more than 113 innings in a season.
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5:42a, 7/1/22
Normally I would never, never, never trade pitching, but ………Odorizzi is my exception. If they could get anything for him I'd do it because I don't trust him to be good against good teams or for very long.

Meanwhile, Brown's been coming out of the pen a lot this year, and McCullers did it in 2017. It might save Lance's arm a little longer too. We do need to give some outfielders a chance. McCormick and Siri got a big chance and failed. Let's try others.
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EastCoastAgNc said:

Cubans. Gimme.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 7:46a, 7/1/22
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Mine sits prominently on a shelf in my home office. Can't believe it has been 23 years since Mike Hampton won that Sunday game to clinch the division. Seeing he and Niekro on the field together after the game was awesome.
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In reply to Big Bucks • 8:06a, 7/1/22
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Big Bucks said:
Mine sits prominently on a shelf in my home office. Can't believe it has been 23 years since Mike Hampton won that Sunday game to clinch the division. Seeing he and Niekro on the field together after the game was awesome.
And the Willie Nelson concert to shut it down!
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