***** Official 2022 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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Mathguy64 said:

He's a meathead on a team of meatheads. But they were also a reflection of their coach whose a massive meathead. Let's see how he acts as a pro.


If he's got the Bregman 2017-2019 attitude and can hit, I'm all for it
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This guy was projection for the As but ended up being the Astros first 2 picks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mlb-draft-evaluating-drew-gilbert-and-jacob-melton-as-potential-a-s-picks/ar-AAZvt9Z
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I love our first two picks.
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Lefty outfielders with good hit tools...both top 25-ish draft prospects. Seems like we are looking for the next Brantley/Reddick. I like it!
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Both lefty CFers. I don't think that's a giant need with Meyers up and Leon up next. I think Click is just going after the best player on his board. I'm good with it. Talent is talent. We need more in our system.
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Might see Leon packaged in a trade?
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I like that we are already getting agreements with these guys
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tjack16 said:

Mathguy64 said:

He's a meathead on a team of meatheads. But they were also a reflection of their coach whose a massive meathead. Let's see how he acts as a pro.


If he's got the Bregman 2017-2019 attitude and can hit, I'm all for it


100%, this team is missing Bregman's edge from his first few years. We lost even more of that swagger when Springer and Correa walked. Hopefully, Gilbert can back up the attitude with his numbers.
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MLB network folks were noting that he had an invisiball ala Javier.
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speaking of Bregman...he hits the all-star break with a .764 OPS

the lowest of his career --- even lower than his rookie year (.791)

his on-base % is still really good, but the power has disappeared.

not just home runs, but doubles too

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He's never really righted the ship after the wrist injury.
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it's a strange phenomenon.

one of Bregman's peers at third base -- Matt Chapman -- has fallen off a cliff too.

delivering just a .728 OPS for the Blue Jays this year.

leaving Oakland has not helped his hitting -- he can't get back to his production from 3 years ago
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If you don't get elite exit velo (Bregs does not) you aren't getting back to 19 numbers without the juiced ball. Him and Brantley both are just low line drive hitters. Both can turn and burn with the right inside pitch but they just aren't power threats in these conditions.
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linkdude said:

If you don't get elite exit velo (Bregs does not) you aren't getting back to 19 numbers without the juiced ball. Him and Brantley both are just low line drive hitters. Both can turn and burn with the right inside pitch but they just aren't power threats in these conditions.
Brantley is going to feast next year with no infielder playing in shallow RF.
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You got that right. Him, Tucker and Alvarez. Woof.
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redline248 said:

Might see Leon packaged in a trade?
I wonder this as well. The draft doesn't generally dictate moves at the big league level but they probably feel better about trading Leon if they have to.
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Browsing The Athletic this morning and somehow the "Yordan's hand is getting worse" story was on the first page. I nearly had a heart attack. Clicked the article and saw it was from 7/10. Not cool.
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He's doing a lot right. His quality contact, K%, & BB% is not too dissimilar from 2019. I think the dead balls are in play for sure, but I also think 2019 was the perfect storm for him.

Here are his hits with >15 LA & <45 LA.

2019 / 2022
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MaxPower said:

redline248 said:

Might see Leon packaged in a trade?
I wonder this as well. The draft doesn't generally dictate moves at the big league level but they probably feel better about trading Leon if they have to.
My speculative takeaway is maybe we're unsure about our ability to re-sign Tucker after 2025. In fairness, we have alot of guys who will be due to be paid around then. And Tucker, given his age and ability to man multiple OF positions, could be in line for the type of monetary commitment that we seem unwilling to make.
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Deluxe said:

MaxPower said:

redline248 said:

Might see Leon packaged in a trade?
I wonder this as well. The draft doesn't generally dictate moves at the big league level but they probably feel better about trading Leon if they have to.
My speculative takeaway is maybe we're unsure about our ability to re-sign Tucker after 2025. In fairness, we have alot of guys who will be due to be paid around then. And Tucker, given his age and ability to man multiple OF positions, could be in line for the type of monetary commitment that we seem unwilling to make.
Personally for me Tucker is worth it. I have not been a proponent of many contracts, I viewed it as next man up but I think with Tucker it is time to get it done. I felt the same about Yordan and thankfully we have that locked down.

I will also admit there was a time I didn't agree with paying Altuve and had wished we would deal him for prospects (this was around the 2015 season)...so happy to have been wrong there but Springer and Correa I did not find the value for their price tag.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

Deluxe said:

MaxPower said:

redline248 said:

Might see Leon packaged in a trade?
I wonder this as well. The draft doesn't generally dictate moves at the big league level but they probably feel better about trading Leon if they have to.
My speculative takeaway is maybe we're unsure about our ability to re-sign Tucker after 2025. In fairness, we have alot of guys who will be due to be paid around then. And Tucker, given his age and ability to man multiple OF positions, could be in line for the type of monetary commitment that we seem unwilling to make.
Personally for me Tucker is worth it. I have not been a proponent of many contracts, I viewed it as next man up but I think with Tucker it is time to get it done. I felt the same about Yordan and thankfully we have that locked down.

I will also admit there was a time I didn't agree with paying Altuve and had wished we would deal him for prospects (this was around the 2015 season)...so happy to have been wrong there but Springer and Correa I did not find the value for their price tag.
I'd love to see it. Sitting here today, it looks like we'll have the following obligations following the 2025 season:

Altuve - $25mm (assuming he signs tack on deals to retire as an Astro)
Bregman - $25mm (I see him retiring as an Astro too... hard to gauge what the AAV will be on his extension rn)
Alvarez - $26mm (2026 is the first year of his "extension")
LMJ - $17mm (2026 is the final year of his deal)

Framber, Urquidy and Javier will be free agents along with Tucker post 2025. Garcia will be a free agent the year after. Pena will be due for raises at that point too.

If we give Tucker a 8 year, $250mm deal, we probably can't afford to retain all our arms. That might be ok though. Click has shown he can be crafty with the pitching staff. Hopefully we'll have a few pitching prospects emerge between now and then too (ie Hunter Brown!).
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You can't have let Springer and Correa walk to NOT build around Tucker and Alvarez together.
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Beau Holder said:

You can't have let Springer and Correa walk to NOT build around Tucker and Alvarez together.
Luckily the Astros don't look at critical organizational decisions this simplistically. They're going to look at it holistically. Fast forwarding to the 2025 offseason, it might make sense to give Tucker an 8/$250 deal that carries him into his age 36-37 season. It might also make sense to deploy that $$ on retaining Framber/Javier and buying out Pena's arb years instead. It's hard to say exactly what the decision factors will be at that point.

I would reframe your post to say that letting Springer and Correa walk gives us the flexibility to pay Tucker when he becomes a FA, but it doesn't mean that paying Tucker is mandatory. Too many other factors at play.
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I don't see us paying anyone over $200M. I suspect at this point we wait until after the 2023 season to see where we are at as an org. Do you want to keep Altuve or Alex? Is JV still here and Lance healthy or do you need some pitching help? Have we identified a C and CF? How does the farm look in terms of supplementing those positions? That may drive your plans with Tucker.
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MaxPower said:

I don't see us paying anyone over $200M. I suspect at this point we wait until after the 2023 season to see where we are at as an org. Do you want to keep Altuve or Alex? Is JV still here and Lance healthy or do you need some pitching help? Have we identified a C and CF? How does the farm look in terms of supplementing those positions? That may drive your plans with Tucker.
Agreed. Lots to sort out between now and 2025. My initial post on this subject was highly speculative.

Assuming he doesn't sign a team-friendly extension between now and then (which would be great), he's going to hit free agency as a 28 year old with multiple all star appearances, great glove and consistent OPS+ above 130. He's going to be expensive to retain if he wants market value. I think he'd almost certainly demand a $200+ million deal and I agree the Astros are unlikely to pay that.
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So the cubs are being sued by the DOJ

https://twitter.com/i/events/1548998153038340102?s=21&t=r8cIQkjSP6NGjITv16JzAg
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
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Where is the best place to buy a kids jersey?

My son's favorite player is Tucker. The official Astros MLB shop online is completely out of youth sizes and I've only been able to find Bregman and Altuve jerseys at reputable places (like Academy).

Do they have inventory at Minute Maid that they don't list online?
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From my understanding, the team shop is separate from the online site.
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Convince him to get a Yordan jersey.

Don't you know Tucker will be a Yankee in a couple years?
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