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I don't believe in Chas, Meyers or Siri. You can move Tucker to CF for a year if need be to make room for a RF.

As for catcher, you think it's that hard to dump Castro and make Machete platoon?

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If Korey Lee continues to push upward like he has been, I could see Castro getting moved at the deadline or just released and Lee taking over as the backup and late inning pinch hitter for Maldy

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I like this trade Castro idea a lot, problem is he probably needs to play more (and well) April-July then he did last year to have much value

I agree that the most logical move is to have a young catcher work behind Machete to take over in 2023. If not Lee then looking to acquire one they like more. While he's our top prospect, most services don't even consider him a top 10 catching prospect despite being 23. Melendez from the Royals is blocked by Perez, ranked higher than Lee and is a lefty bat so easier to platoon with Machete. Generally considered better both offensively and defensively than Lee.

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I agree that the most logical move is to have a young catcher work behind Machete to take over in 2023. If not Lee then looking to acquire one they like more. While he's our top prospect, most services don't even consider him a top 10 catching prospect despite being 23. Melendez from the Royals is blocked by Perez, ranked higher than Lee and is a lefty bat so easier to platoon with Machete. Generally considered better both offensively and defensively than Lee.

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Didn't we pick up a single-A catcher in the Straw trade too? I think he's supposed to be a fast riser.

bearkatag15 said:

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I don't believe in Chas, Meyers or Siri. You can move Tucker to CF for a year if need be to make room for a RF.

As for catcher, you think it's that hard to dump Castro and make Machete platoon?

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If Korey Lee continues to push upward like he has been, I could see Castro getting moved at the deadline or just released and Lee taking over as the backup and late inning pinch hitter for Maldy

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This is what I foresee as well not signing a catcher

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I agree that the most logical move is to have a young catcher work behind Machete to take over in 2023. If not Lee then looking to acquire one they like more. While he's our top prospect, most services don't even consider him a top 10 catching prospect despite being 23. Melendez from the Royals is blocked by Perez, ranked higher than Lee and is a lefty bat so easier to platoon with Machete. Generally considered better both offensively and defensively than Lee.

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Didn't we pick up a single-A catcher in the Straw trade too? I think he's supposed to be a fast riser.

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I think that was Yainer Diaz.

Unless Lee just gets 2019 Yordan hot, I doubt he's pushing our guys to be traded to make room for him. We need to utilize who we have efficiently and not what we did last year. Castro should 80+% of the time be playing when a righty starts.

In 2021 Castro had a 152 wRC+ vs righties. For some perspective, that is higher than TED had overall last year. On the flip side, Maldonado had a historically terrible season offensively at 63 wRC+, but vs lefties he was just the average (for catchers) at 86 wRC+.

This is the same type of post I made the last offseason. Click found a cheap way to get average to above-average offense from the catcher position if platooned correctly. Dusty needs to make it happen.

If you look at who else is out there, its not like there is some elite plug and play catcher. The platoon is our best option now. Then we have Lee, Berryhill, Diaz, etc. coming through the system.

I have no idea, but good luck to you. Keep grinding.

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I said it in the other thread, but I'll say it here too. He's gone. He's already told the organization he's moving on. This is from a friend of mine who is very much in the know.

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I am not surprised. Most of these guys will want to move on. Leaving the Astros means that you left the cheaters in their eyes and in some of the publics eyes. Staying with the team long term will tarnish his "legacy" in his eyes.

He'd be a good pickup. Top 2% in wOBA. Doesn't give up a ton of hard hits

I will take him over either lefty we had this year.

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I said it in the other thread, but I'll say it here too. He's gone. He's already told the organization he's moving on. This is from a friend of mine who is very much in the know.

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I am not surprised. Most of these guys will want to move on. Leaving the Astros means that you left the cheaters in their eyes and in some of the publics eyes. Staying with the team long term will tarnish his "legacy" in his eyes.

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It's such nonsensical bull*****

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Don't think this plays into Correa's decision making. He just wants to get paid what he thinks he's worth. The other guys still here from the 2017 team - Altuve, Bregman, Gurriel, McCullers (I think that's it?) will be here for a while, maybe with the exception of Gurriel due to his age.

Speaking of Yuli, if he starts off hot next season, I'd do another 1 year deal with him with a 2nd year club option.

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Speaking of Yuli, if he starts off hot next season, I'd do another 1 year deal with him with a 2nd year club option.

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I doubt there is much demand for a 38-year-old first baseman. I'd wait to make sure he's healthy and doesn't decline after a long season. As long as he can stay above avg, why not? He'll be cheap.

Not to mention id like to start seeing Yordan working at first

That would solve so many problems.

They have seemed so hesitant to do that in the past. Theoretically finding a free agent replacement for Yuli shouldn't be that hard but still probably requires a solid chunk of change. Our farm depth at 1B is pretty bad so ideally we could find a prospect via trade or this years draft that's a fast mover.

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Regarding Correa, the link on one of the earlier pages with the top FA predicted CC would get 8/264. I know it's said he's gone, but I'd be on board with that type of deal.

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if Correa will take an 8-year deal, good chance he stays with the Astros

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I don't see him taking anything less than a 10 year contract. Some team will offer 12+ years.

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yes, and therein lies the problem.

he's going to want 10 to 12

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I said it in the other thread, but I'll say it here too. He's gone. He's already told the organization he's moving on. This is from a friend of mine who is very much in the know.

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I guess I don't understand the logic of that. He's not even going to listen to offers now? Why would he refuse to do that? And free agents like bidders. That's how you create leverage with other teams. It makes on sense on any level that he would tell them this.

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CC knows (and his agent most likely told him) that there is no way Houston is going to match offers he'll get from other teams. The idea of CC giving Houston some kind of "loyalty discount" is really dumb. He is going to go to the highest bidder, and honestly I don't blame him for it - I think any of us would do the same thing.

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same thing Anthony Rendon did. He just went wherever the biggest offer was. Didn't care that the Angels had been terrible in the recent past

one issue for whichever (non-Astro) team signs Correa to a 10-year deal...

they are paying him significantly for what he did for another franchise. (a la the Angels with Pujols)

and that can be a rather dangerous approach

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one issue for whichever (non-Astro) team signs Correa to a 10-year deal...

they are paying him significantly for what he did for another franchise. (a la the Angels with Pujols)

and that can be a rather dangerous approach

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Worked ok with Miggy

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one issue for whichever (non-Astro) team signs Correa to a 10-year deal...

they are paying him significantly for what he did for another franchise. (a la the Angels with Pujols)

and that can be a rather dangerous approach

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But he's only 27. They should be able to get 5 years of prime. Then a year or 2 of decent. And 3ish years of boat anchor. When you compare him to the previous guys, that's not too bad.

Pedro León has gotten off to a bit of a slow start in the Arizona Fall League, but he just crushed a home run.

— Duchess of Doom (@kidagreen) November 4, 2021

bearkatag15 said:

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Speaking of Yuli, if he starts off hot next season, I'd do another 1 year deal with him with a 2nd year club option.

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I will duck after I say this, but I would just let next year be his last year with the team. Start looking for an option now.

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one issue for whichever (non-Astro) team signs Correa to a 10-year deal...

they are paying him significantly for what he did for another franchise. (a la the Angels with Pujols)

and that can be a rather dangerous approach

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I truly believe certain players are meant to play for the same team their entire careers. Pujols was one.

I'm honestly wondering if Correa is one of those guys who won't replicate the same success for another franchise. The jury is out on Springer as well

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one issue for whichever (non-Astro) team signs Correa to a 10-year deal...

they are paying him significantly for what he did for another franchise. (a la the Angels with Pujols)

and that can be a rather dangerous approach

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I truly believe certain players are meant to play for the same team their entire careers. Pujols was one.

I'm honestly wondering if Correa is one of those guys who won't replicate the same success for another franchise. The (in)jury is out on Springer as well

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fify

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bearkatag15 said:

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Speaking of Yuli, if he starts off hot next season, I'd do another 1 year deal with him with a 2nd year club option.

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I will duck after I say this, but I would just let next year be his last year with the team. Start looking for an option now.

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His performance (and beyond that his desire to come back) will determine when his last year with the team is. He is a franchise hero and is not going to get pushed out until he walks away or his wheels fall off. One year deals until then. He's been super reasonable with his $ demands, I'm sure that will continue

But yeah, someone is probably going to have to play at least 40 games at 1b this season and at Yuli's age it's reasonable that you're looking for your future starter right now

I'm ready to move on, TBH. I wish he could stay, but he's not going to sign for an amount that would be smart to sign him for…so hope he hurries up and signs that franchise-crippling deal with someone so we can figure out who's going to take his place.

If Correa took a deal similar to George for another franchise, we'd all be pissed, right?