Who steps up as leader with Correa gone? Altuve leads by example, but he's not going to fire up a clubhouse. Tucker and Alvarez don't seem to have the personality. Yuli is too old. So we're stuck with ****ing Bregman and his smug attitude that doesn't produce?
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mazag08 said:
Who steps up as leader with Correa gone? Altuve leads by example, but he's not going to fire up a clubhouse. Tucker and Alvarez don't seem to have the personality. Yuli is too old. So we're stuck with ****ing Bregman and his smug attitude thst doesn't produce?
Lance
I had an actual Native American friend with me at the game and he says this hurts worse for him than anyone else so y'all can shut the **** up.
zgood10 said:mazag08 said:
Who steps up as leader with Correa gone? Altuve leads by example, but he's not going to fire up a clubhouse. Tucker and Alvarez don't seem to have the personality. Yuli is too old. So we're stuck with ****ing Bregman and his smug attitude thst doesn't produce?
Lance
I'm cool with that, but you really need a guy playing everyday to be the life of the team.
Ag_07 said:
Nah...6 games of the WS ain't lose him any bargaining power.
He's about to be the 1st ever $400mm player.
Correa wouldn't be considered a top 10 player across the league…I'm not sure why people think the money he is going to make is that crazy.
Ag_07 said:
Nah...6 games of the WS ain't lose him any bargaining power.
He's about to be the 1st ever $400mm player.
I don't know. With the luxury tax threshold rumored to be lowered to $180 MM that kind of contract would really put you in money jail fast. And the teams with that kind of cash to afford that amount of money are mostly at the tye top end of the threshold already.
Add in all the FA SSs out there and it's going to be a hard market. Someone will get a good player for a lot less than they would have paid last year.
Everything is crazy expensive nowadays thank to Branden.
But seriously it's more of what some idiotic team is gonna pay him and not much what he's worth.
But seriously it's more of what some idiotic team is gonna pay him and not much what he's worth.
Bregxit said:Get used to it. Lance will have arm troubles every year with his arm action. He generates incredible velocity, spin and movement but he is going to completely wreck himself by age 31 (he just turned 28).Nuke LaLoosh said:
19.1 innings from our starters in 6 starts.
I've decided to blame the loss of the World Series on lance once again being made of glass. I'd call him the heel, but that's the most sturdy part of the body so it doesn't suit him well at all. Maybe though he can wear his h town vs everyone shirt all off-season only to crap out when we need him most.
His deal will be about up. He'll give us some ace years in between.
Damn, just dawned on me that the Braves are the third different visiting team to hoist a trophy at MMP. Has that ever been the case with any other franchise?
Hopefully its us getting a good deal on a good SS. If Correa walks for big money, our biggest issue is replacing his glove & leadership more than his bat.Mathguy64 said:Ag_07 said:
Nah...6 games of the WS ain't lose him any bargaining power.
He's about to be the 1st ever $400mm player.
I don't know. With the luxury tax threshold rumored to be lowered to $180 MM that kind of contract would really put you in money jail fast. And the teams with that kind of cash to afford that amount of money are mostly at the tye top end of the threshold already.
Add in all the FA SSs out there and it's going to be a hard market. Someone will get a good player for a lot less than they would have paid last year.
Mathguy64 said:Ag_07 said:
Nah...6 games of the WS ain't lose him any bargaining power.
He's about to be the 1st ever $400mm player.
I don't know. With the luxury tax threshold rumored to be lowered to $180 MM that kind of contract would really put you in money jail fast. And the teams with that kind of cash to afford that amount of money are mostly at the tye top end of the threshold already.
Add in all the FA SSs out there and it's going to be a hard market. Someone will get a good player for a lot less than they would have paid last year.
Yup. We better be looking to go after the undervalues guys who missed out on their mega deals.
wangus12 said:Hopefully its us getting a good deal on a good SS. If Correa walks for big money, our biggest issue is replacing his glove & leadership more than his bat.Mathguy64 said:Ag_07 said:
Nah...6 games of the WS ain't lose him any bargaining power.
He's about to be the 1st ever $400mm player.
I don't know. With the luxury tax threshold rumored to be lowered to $180 MM that kind of contract would really put you in money jail fast. And the teams with that kind of cash to afford that amount of money are mostly at the tye top end of the threshold already.
Add in all the FA SSs out there and it's going to be a hard market. Someone will get a good player for a lot less than they would have paid last year.
I know it's tough to just rely on a completely unproven rookie but I think we have something in Pena & Leon. Maybe not in 22 but soon.
Ag_07 said:
Everything is crazy expensive nowadays thank to Branden.
But seriously it's more of what some idiotic team is gonna pay him and not much what he's worth.
Yeah, I think that's what goes into my thinking about if he truly goes wherever the money is just thrown at him, it's going to be a stupid franchise and winning will be at an end for him.
He just isn't what people seem to talk about him like he is…he was a #1 draft pick who has been good; but he hasn't been great and up until this year, hasn't been incredibly durable.
Ag_07 said:
Nah...6 games of the WS ain't lose him any bargaining power.
He's about to be the 1st ever $400mm player.
I think you're wrong. Well see.
agdaddy04 said:Ag_07 said:
Nah...6 games of the WS ain't lose him any bargaining power.
He's about to be the 1st ever $400mm player.
I think you're wrong. Well see.
He is wrong. Trout is already a 400 mm player.
zgood10 said:mazag08 said:
Who steps up as leader with Correa gone? Altuve leads by example, but he's not going to fire up a clubhouse. Tucker and Alvarez don't seem to have the personality. Yuli is too old. So we're stuck with ****ing Bregman and his smug attitude thst doesn't produce?
Lance
Yes. Still can't help thinking George would've sparked this team in this series
The Beef01 said:Ag_07 said:
Everything is crazy expensive nowadays thank to Branden.
But seriously it's more of what some idiotic team is gonna pay him and not much what he's worth.
Yeah, I think that's what goes into my thinking about if he truly goes wherever the money is just thrown at him, it's going to be a stupid franchise and winning will be at an end for him.
He just isn't what people seem to talk about him like he is…he was a #1 draft pick who has been good; but he hasn't been great and up until this year, hasn't been incredibly durable.
This.
He's had some GREAT moments. He's been a star. But he left a lot on the table. He never quite gave us an MVP type year thst his body, frame, and talent should have produced. I know that sounds selfish from a fan perspective. But he was supposed to be THE ONE and had literally all of the tools.
agdaddy04 said:Ag_07 said:
Nah...6 games of the WS ain't lose him any bargaining power.
He's about to be the 1st ever $400mm player.
I think you're wrong. Well see.
Cap going down and SS talent in free agency might just enable the Astros to re-sign Correa.
Not having Springer really hurt, IMO.
Farmer1906 said:wangus12 said:Hopefully its us getting a good deal on a good SS. If Correa walks for big money, our biggest issue is replacing his glove & leadership more than his bat.Mathguy64 said:Ag_07 said:
Nah...6 games of the WS ain't lose him any bargaining power.
He's about to be the 1st ever $400mm player.
I don't know. With the luxury tax threshold rumored to be lowered to $180 MM that kind of contract would really put you in money jail fast. And the teams with that kind of cash to afford that amount of money are mostly at the tye top end of the threshold already.
Add in all the FA SSs out there and it's going to be a hard market. Someone will get a good player for a lot less than they would have paid last year.
I know it's tough to just rely on a completely unproven rookie but I think we have something in Pena & Leon. Maybe not in 22 but soon.
One of them hits and the Astros are wise with the cap space freed up with Verlander and Greinke, the Astros aren't going away
zgood10 said:mazag08 said:
Who steps up as leader with Correa gone? Altuve leads by example, but he's not going to fire up a clubhouse. Tucker and Alvarez don't seem to have the personality. Yuli is too old. So we're stuck with ****ing Bregman and his smug attitude thst doesn't produce?
Lance
Lol no
Bregxit said:Get used to it. Lance will have arm troubles every year with his arm action. He generates incredible velocity, spin and movement but he is going to completely wreck himself by age 31 (he just turned 28).Nuke LaLoosh said:
19.1 innings from our starters in 6 starts.
I've decided to blame the loss of the World Series on lance once again being made of glass. I'd call him the heel, but that's the most sturdy part of the body so it doesn't suit him well at all. Maybe though he can wear his h town vs everyone shirt all off-season only to crap out when we need him most.
Oh I'm def used to it. 2 World Series in 3 years and he's played 0 games.
first thing to put a smile on my face all night.Ciboag96 said:
I had an actual Native American friend with me at the game and he says this hurts worse for him than anyone else so y'all can shut the **** up.
Siri..... he definitely likes to talk.Nuke LaLoosh said:zgood10 said:mazag08 said:
Who steps up as leader with Correa gone? Altuve leads by example, but he's not going to fire up a clubhouse. Tucker and Alvarez don't seem to have the personality. Yuli is too old. So we're stuck with ****ing Bregman and his smug attitude thst doesn't produce?
Lance
Lol no
As a native Houstonian and sports fan in this city for 40ish years, let me just say this past 5 year stretch has been phenomenal. I envy the tweens/teens who have grown up accustomed to this.
Thanks Astros. Let's ****ing do it again next year.
Thanks Astros. Let's ****ing do it again next year.
Nuke LaLoosh said:Bregxit said:Get used to it. Lance will have arm troubles every year with his arm action. He generates incredible velocity, spin and movement but he is going to completely wreck himself by age 31 (he just turned 28).Nuke LaLoosh said:
19.1 innings from our starters in 6 starts.
I've decided to blame the loss of the World Series on lance once again being made of glass. I'd call him the heel, but that's the most sturdy part of the body so it doesn't suit him well at all. Maybe though he can wear his h town vs everyone shirt all off-season only to crap out when we need him most.
Oh I'm def used to it. 2 World Series in 3 years and he's played 0 games.
He was #2 in ERA in the AL. He was one of the few starters that pitched well in the postseason. Gtfo here with this hate.
Stros have a lot of talent under contract/control and cap flexibility to improve roster this off-season. Pitching staff obvious area to target. Got a good collection of 3rd and 4th starters, need to make a run at a 1 or 2.
I don't follow free agency enough to know, but who falls into this category that would be available?BadAggie said:
Stros have a lot of talent under contract/control and cap flexibility to improve roster this off-season. Pitching staff obvious area to target. Got a good collection of 3rd and 4th starters, need to make a run at a 1 or 2.
Welcome back, Dusty.
****
Houston #Astros owner Jim Crane plans to sit down with Dusty Baker in the next few days to iron out a one- or 2-year contract.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) November 3, 2021
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Nuke LaLoosh said:Bregxit said:Get used to it. Lance will have arm troubles every year with his arm action. He generates incredible velocity, spin and movement but he is going to completely wreck himself by age 31 (he just turned 28).Nuke LaLoosh said:
19.1 innings from our starters in 6 starts.
I've decided to blame the loss of the World Series on lance once again being made of glass. I'd call him the heel, but that's the most sturdy part of the body so it doesn't suit him well at all. Maybe though he can wear his h town vs everyone shirt all off-season only to crap out when we need him most.
Oh I'm def used to it. 2 World Series in 3 years and he's played 0 games.
A career set of numbers for starts, ERA (by a wide margin), IP (by a wide margin), K's (by a wide margin) and a fluke injury in a playoff game. Yeah. A total wreck.
LMJ had a hell of a year.
Farmer1906 said:
Welcome back, Dusty.Houston #Astros owner Jim Crane plans to sit down with Dusty Baker in the next few days to iron out a one- or 2-year contract.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) November 3, 2021
****
Honestly, I have given Dusty a lot of ****, but he is not the reason for this loss.
I'm really ok with extending him. The players like him. His gut sometimes leads to mistakes, but he really learned about his guys in the regular season to put them in the best positions in the postseason.
plus three other fortuitous events.BadAggie said:agdaddy04 said:Ag_07 said:
Nah...6 games of the WS ain't lose him any bargaining power.
He's about to be the 1st ever $400mm player.
I think you're wrong. Well see.
Cap going down and SS talent in free agency might just enable the Astros to re-sign Correa.
-- Ohtani had a monster year...and the Angels know they will have to pay him $40 MM per year in the near future. That should take LAAA off the table for Correa.
-- Judge had a bounce back season, such that NYY may be planning a mega-contract for him. Which could make NYY look elsewhere for help at SS.
-- Semien had a tremendous season and he is the lower cost or smaller commitment at SS for the big spenders
Espada is going to walk if we don't offer him the job
Let's not forget in a short season if they didn't extend the playoffs dusty took a World Series caliber team and nearly missed the playoffs.
Threw a fit about straw and refused to play lineups to the point of just clearly being stubborn
No strom around to reign in some of his ridiculous pitching decisions.
He did well for most the playoffs but he still manages rosters like it's 1997. There a ton of managers that could get this loaded roster to the WS
Crane is still going to play the PC Card on this and it's going to backfire
You have a heavy analytical front office and GM, a roster built on analytics, scouting based off that yet a head coach who runs his club like he is still with the reds in the NL. Espada meets all the criteria you want and how you have assembled your roster…use him as such
Let's not forget in a short season if they didn't extend the playoffs dusty took a World Series caliber team and nearly missed the playoffs.
Threw a fit about straw and refused to play lineups to the point of just clearly being stubborn
No strom around to reign in some of his ridiculous pitching decisions.
He did well for most the playoffs but he still manages rosters like it's 1997. There a ton of managers that could get this loaded roster to the WS
Crane is still going to play the PC Card on this and it's going to backfire
You have a heavy analytical front office and GM, a roster built on analytics, scouting based off that yet a head coach who runs his club like he is still with the reds in the NL. Espada meets all the criteria you want and how you have assembled your roster…use him as such
I think I've had a enough time to sit down and collect my thoughts in as mature a way as possible and my conclusion from this World Series is:
I'm still ****ing pissed the Astros didn't get live BP games 3/4 and it's the reason we lost I don't care what anybody (chandler) says you can't convince me don't ****ing try. And **** rob manfred. Braves org too. Joe buck for good measure too.
I'm still ****ing pissed the Astros didn't get live BP games 3/4 and it's the reason we lost I don't care what anybody (chandler) says you can't convince me don't ****ing try. And **** rob manfred. Braves org too. Joe buck for good measure too.
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