***Official Houston Astros 2021 Season Thread***

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11:33a, 10/20/21
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Taking advantage of the other team tipping pitches is 100% within the rules. You have to be aware if you are tipping pitches. Looks like the Astros may have it figured out now
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In reply to n_touch • 11:34a, 10/20/21
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Not gonna jump to that just yet. Go back and watch a lot of the Astros pitching in games 2/3 and some ven last night. They will get 2 strikes on them and just start pitching out of the zone. A lot of the pitches were not even close to starting in the zone. Once that happens they get into a favorable 3-2 counts and give up hits/walks and then get traffic. Traffic on the bases and they start pitching nervously because of the walk. Its a bad cycle that our pitchers are in and that all comes down to the approach they are taking. If it was one pitcher fine, but it is multiple pitchers over multiple games and that needs to be addressed.
I see your point, but the Sox have also spit on some really, really good breaking balls just out of the zone with 2 strikes. Then, of course, it leads to nervous pitching.

.300 and a .910 OPS is absurd and historically good.
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11:34a, 10/20/21
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Gotta dust off a classic this morning.

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11:34a, 10/20/21
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So Framber starts

Luis 0pGarcia in the pen?
Pressley has 1
Maton could go 1
Yimi available?

Who is actually available?!?!?
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In reply to Wabs • 11:35a, 10/20/21
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No bias here. We will all remember that HR to prevent the dodgers from going down 3-0.
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In reply to BadAggie • 11:35a, 10/20/21
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Uncanny that Keke Coutee suddenly can't hit ****.
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In reply to Bonnettecj1 • 11:37a, 10/20/21
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his fingers were taped last night
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11:37a, 10/20/21
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That's the problem. A lot of the 2 strike pitches are not even competitive. I know you don't want to throw a fastball right down the middle on 0-2 but a 58 foot curveball or a slider that starts 3 inches off the plate and ends up 9 inches off is just a wasted pitch. Those pitches are balls the instant they leave your hand and are not going to entice a swing.

I hope it's just poor execution and not the strategy but that is driving pitch counts up and getting us in trouble
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11:38a, 10/20/21
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I will say I noticed a lot more interaction between Maldy and the pitchers last night. Might have been changing up the signs a lot more to keep Boston off the scent. Whatever they did. It worked.
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11:40a, 10/20/21
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Boston has an excellent lineup, and nine games is a very small sample.
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In reply to BeaumontAg05 • 11:41a, 10/20/21
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BeaumontAg05 said:
So Framber starts

Luis 0pGarcia in the pen?
Pressley has 1
Maton could go 1
Yimi available?

Who is actually available?!?!?


Blake Taylor
Stanek
Pressly
Garcia (if a long reliever is needed)
Odo - maybe
Yimi - maybe
Moton - I think yes
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11:41a, 10/20/21
Boston's starting 9's hitting stats. Again, absurd. 1---ONE---with an OPS lower than .700

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In reply to n_touch • 11:42a, 10/20/21
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n_touch said:
Not gonna jump to that just yet. Go back and watch a lot of the Astros pitching in games 2/3 and some even last night. They will get 2 strikes on them and just start pitching out of the zone. A lot of the pitches were not even close to starting in the zone. Once that happens they get into a favorable 3-2 counts and give up hits/walks and then get traffic. Traffic on the bases and they start pitching nervously because of the walk. Its a bad cycle that our pitchers are in and that all comes down to the approach they are taking. If it was one pitcher fine, but it is multiple pitchers over multiple games and that needs to be addressed.

Same thing happened for the Astros last night. Got a little pressure on Eovoldi and the defense and look what happened in the 9th.


Smoltz has hit on this a couple times - Astros wasting pitches when ahead in the count. Cora knows this is Strom's approach so their hitters are patient. Astros need to punch them out and go right at them when ahead.
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11:43a, 10/20/21
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11:43a, 10/20/21
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With an off day tomorrow the only person off limits is probably Javier
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In reply to BeaumontAg05 • 11:44a, 10/20/21
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BeaumontAg05 said:
So Framber starts

Luis 0pGarcia in the pen?
Pressley has 1
Maton could go 1
Yimi available?

Who is actually available?!?!?
Starting:
Framber

Didn't pitch Last night
Stanek
Yimi
Taylor

Pitched Last night but not Game 3
Pressley
Graveman (likely threw too many pitches to comeback)

Pitched in both Games 3 and 4
Raley (thrown 43 pitches)
Maton (thrown 23 pitches)

For sure unavailable:
Javier
Urquidy
Greinke

Emergency:
Garcia
Odorizzi

If only I had seen McTaggart's chart before doing this myself
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11:45a, 10/20/21
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Any Astros fans accusing the Sox of sign stealing this series because they are hitting well either…

A. Didn't watch their lineup at all in the regular season because they raked
B. Sound like (insert fanbase here) talking about the Astros any time we hit well
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In reply to BadAggie • 11:46a, 10/20/21
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BadAggie said:
Wabs said:
Somebody hasn't been paying attention to the Astros this decade......

Somebody didn't pay attention to the Astros last night tbh.
How about Bill Freaking Maserozki? What a dipsh-t
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In reply to CFTXAG10 • 11:46a, 10/20/21
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CFTXAG10 said:
With an off day tomorrow the only person off limits is probably Javier
Yep. If we get a lead, all hands on deck except Javier and maaaaaybe Graveman. But Graveman only threw 30 pitches last night and hadn't thrown in a few days before that. Same strategy as last night. All hands on deck. Quick hooks if one of our guys struggles with command or if it looks like Boston has a beat on him.
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In reply to Bonnettecj1 • 11:51a, 10/20/21
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Bonnettecj1 said:
I'm entirely too lazy to go back and see what was posted during the game, but did anyone notice that Maldonado did not have his fingers painted/taped behind home plate last night?

Also, as an Astros fan, I have no room to talk when it comes to sign stealing/tipped pitches. HOWEVER, there is something rotten in Denmark when it comes to the Red Sox and how well they've hit in the postseason.

In the regular season the Astros were the best hitting team with an average of .267 and a team OPS of .783. Red Sox were 3rd with a .261 average and .782 OPS. There's your baseline for the postseason. There should be offense in this series.

This postseason the BoSox are batting .300 with a .910 OPS. That is absolutely absurd and clearly 1st in the MLB. Astros are trailing with a .277 average and .788 OPS.

There is no way both the Astros and Rays have tipped their pitches that much.
Their bats cooled WAY off last night. Maybe they've just been abnormally hot at the right time and now are regressing to the mean. Same with the Astros, just in the other direction (finally and fortunately).
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11:52a, 10/20/21
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In reply to Bonnettecj1 • 11:53a, 10/20/21
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Bonnettecj1 said:
Boston's starting 9's hitting stats. Again, absurd. 1---ONE---with an OPS lower than .700


How I Did It (Again) by Alex Cora
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In reply to tjack16 • 11:54a, 10/20/21
Read my post. I said that I have no room to talk at all. But, we can not say that something is off?

I watched baseball all season. Yes, they raked. Not to this level, though. Their average and OPS were not in the same stratosphere as they have been this postseason.

Do I think there's sign stealing? I have no idea. But, do I think that 2 teams (Astros and Rays) are tipping pitches to the level of making the Sox look like a MLB team playing against a AAA team? I don't think so.
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In reply to Ag12thman • 11:54a, 10/20/21
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Yea. As painful as it is to watch Maldy at the plate, I'm guessing he ads alot of value in the deception department. I also trust his ability to smother Framber's inevitable one hoppers better than Castro. But if we're down early, we gotta get Castro in second time through the order.
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In reply to Wabs • 11:56a, 10/20/21
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Wabs said:
Bonnettecj1 said:
I'm entirely too lazy to go back and see what was posted during the game, but did anyone notice that Maldonado did not have his fingers painted/taped behind home plate last night?

Also, as an Astros fan, I have no room to talk when it comes to sign stealing/tipped pitches. HOWEVER, there is something rotten in Denmark when it comes to the Red Sox and how well they've hit in the postseason.

In the regular season the Astros were the best hitting team with an average of .267 and a team OPS of .783. Red Sox were 3rd with a .261 average and .782 OPS. There's your baseline for the postseason. There should be offense in this series.

This postseason the BoSox are batting .300 with a .910 OPS. That is absolutely absurd and clearly 1st in the MLB. Astros are trailing with a .277 average and .788 OPS.

There is no way both the Astros and Rays have tipped their pitches that much.
Their bats cooled WAY off last night. Maybe they've just been abnormally hot at the right time and now are regressing to the mean. Same with the Astros, just in the other direction (finally and fortunately).

Last night's Red Sox production was more in line with what I was expecting this series - Xander hits well, rest of lineup not so much, or hit or miss.

The video game nature of games 2 and 3 was a bit abnormal, to say the least.
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In reply to Bonnettecj1 • 11:56a, 10/20/21
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Bonnettecj1 said:
Read my post. I said that I have no room to talk at all. But, we can not say that something is off?

I watched baseball all season. Yes, they raked. Not to this level, though. Their average and OPS were not in the same stratosphere as they have been this postseason.

Do I think there's sign stealing? I have no idea. But, do I think that 2 teams (Astros and Rays) are tipping pitches to the level of making the Sox look like a MLB team playing against a AAA team? I don't think so.

Yes, there was absolutely something going on in games 2 and 3 besides just certain Astros pitchers sucking.
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In reply to KTAG05 • 11:57a, 10/20/21
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BCSGrubber said:
BeaumontAg05 said:
So Framber starts

Luis 0pGarcia in the pen?
Pressley has 1
Maton could go 1
Yimi available?

Who is actually available?!?!?
Starting:
Framber

Didn't pitch Last night
Stanek
Yimi
Taylor

Pitched Last night but not Game 3
Pressley
Graveman (likely threw too many pitches to comeback)

Pitched in both Games 3 and 4
Raley (thrown 43 pitches)
Maton (thrown 23 pitches)

For sure unavailable:
Javier
Urquidy
Greinke

Emergency:
Garcia
Odorizzi

If only I had seen McTaggart's chart before doing this myself


Much appreciated!
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In reply to BadAggie • 11:58a, 10/20/21
BadAggie said:
Wabs said:
Bonnettecj1 said:
I'm entirely too lazy to go back and see what was posted during the game, but did anyone notice that Maldonado did not have his fingers painted/taped behind home plate last night?

Also, as an Astros fan, I have no room to talk when it comes to sign stealing/tipped pitches. HOWEVER, there is something rotten in Denmark when it comes to the Red Sox and how well they've hit in the postseason.

In the regular season the Astros were the best hitting team with an average of .267 and a team OPS of .783. Red Sox were 3rd with a .261 average and .782 OPS. There's your baseline for the postseason. There should be offense in this series.

This postseason the BoSox are batting .300 with a .910 OPS. That is absolutely absurd and clearly 1st in the MLB. Astros are trailing with a .277 average and .788 OPS.

There is no way both the Astros and Rays have tipped their pitches that much.
Their bats cooled WAY off last night. Maybe they've just been abnormally hot at the right time and now are regressing to the mean. Same with the Astros, just in the other direction (finally and fortunately).

Last night's Red Sox production was more in line with what I was expecting this series - Xander hits well, rest of lineup not so much, or hit or miss.

The video game nature of games 2 and 3 was a bit abnormal, to say the least.


I don't think it's crazy to say that from the moment CJ and Maldy started changing signs up in the 4th they started swinging at junk again. It was almost instantly
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In reply to Bonnettecj1 • 11:59a, 10/20/21
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this is why Manfred was a moron for going after the Astros in 2019

any time any team gets hot it's cheating and completely unfalsifiable

all this because Mike Fiers got butthurt
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In reply to JohnnyTexAg1995 • 12:00p, 10/20/21
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Haven't been able to go back through the entire thread from last night and missed the middle innings on TV. How did we figure out they switched up the signs?
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In reply to Deluxe • 12:00p, 10/20/21
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Deluxe said:
CFTXAG10 said:
With an off day tomorrow the only person off limits is probably Javier
Yep. If we get a lead, all hands on deck except Javier and maaaaaybe Graveman. But Graveman only threw 30 pitches last night and hadn't thrown in a few days before that. Same strategy as last night. All hands on deck. Quick hooks if one of our guys struggles with command or if it looks like Boston has a beat on him.


If Framber doesn't have it, make sure Yimi is ready from the jump. Garcia needs to start his warm up as well so he can go in to start the next inning.

Can't be "injured" and get another free 15 min to get loose.
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12:05p, 10/20/21
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I can buy that teams scout starting pitchers, what they throw, their tendencies, and whatever indicators for specific pitches they throw. Just seems strange that you wouldn't have the same info for the bullpen going into a series, especially given the inevitable high leverage (used to be called important) late inning at bats.
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12:05p, 10/20/21
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Bellinger was cheating on that HR last night

prove me wrong
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:10p, 10/20/21
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Farmer1906 said:
Deluxe said:
CFTXAG10 said:
With an off day tomorrow the only person off limits is probably Javier
Yep. If we get a lead, all hands on deck except Javier and maaaaaybe Graveman. But Graveman only threw 30 pitches last night and hadn't thrown in a few days before that. Same strategy as last night. All hands on deck. Quick hooks if one of our guys struggles with command or if it looks like Boston has a beat on him.


If Framber doesn't have it, make sure Yimi is ready from the jump. Garcia needs to start his warm up as well so he can go in to start the next inning.

Can't be "injured" and get another free 15 min to get loose.

Agreed. Gotta be on our toes and prepared for quick hooks at all times.
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