W,

You're just missing the point here, the way baseball is currently constituted, players are way under compensated for about 6 years and then way over compensated for about 6 years if they can make it to that next 6 years.

The past couple of years we've seen owners (most of them) shying away from these long term contracts and trying to fill rosters with mostly cheap labor. In no way is the current system good for most players. As the a above chart makes clear, most of the money is with the top earners.

The deck is certainly stacked against the players in the current CBA but this shouldn't be about the current CBA. They need to play this year and be done with it.

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The deck is certainly stacked against the players in the current CBA but this shouldn't be about the current CBA. They need to play this year and be done with it.

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If the deck is stacked against MLB players, what does that mean for all the other leagues that would love to have the MLB deal?

Meanwhile KBO is about 30 games or so in.

One team has lost 4 in a row, sent 10 down and called up nine plus their manager. Their version of Pete Rose is still playing, and one real young kid has a 0.66 ERA.

It aint the majors, but it has been pretty entertaining. I think I am gong to like it better without fans than with fans.

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Fuzzy Dunlop said:

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The deck is certainly stacked against the players in the current CBA but this shouldn't be about the current CBA. They need to play this year and be done with it.

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If the deck is stacked against MLB players, what does that mean for all the other leagues that would love to have the MLB deal?

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I don't really follow the NBA or NFL so I can't compare or contrast. On the plus side, the contracts in MLB are guaranteed so they certainly have that on NFL players. I do think they should get some kind of Free Agency before their seventh year. That can be a played with by the teams and hinders higher contracts before they get "over the hill.". The big contracts (Cole, Trout, etc) are crazy though, higher than many players in any sport will ever earn in their lives.

I agree.

The current union agreement (and all prior since the beginning of free agency) severely underpays young players and overpays veterans. Unfortunately, the voices in the MLBPA room that carry the most weight are the veterans who have been underpaid and are now looking to protect their big pay day.

Getting closer...

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29302622/sources-mlb-owners-expected-offer-70-75-game-proposal

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Major League Baseball's owners are expected to send a new proposal to the players' union on Friday that includes a 2020 season lasting between 70 and 75 games, sources told ESPN's Karl Ravech.

The owners' proposal would include a payment of somewhere between 80% and 85% of the players' prorated salary, which is a slight increase from the owners' last offer. This proposal also includes expanded playoffs and a share of the playoff pool for players.

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Getting closer...

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29302622/sources-mlb-owners-expected-offer-70-75-game-proposal

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Major League Baseball's owners are expected to send a new proposal to the players' union on Friday that includes a 2020 season lasting between 70 and 75 games, sources told ESPN's Karl Ravech.

The owners' proposal would include a payment of somewhere between 80% and 85% of the players' prorated salary, which is a slight increase from the owners' last offer. This proposal also includes expanded playoffs and a share of the playoff pool for players.

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Whoever said this a couple of pages ago may just be spot on.

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Play 82 at 80% pro-rated. It'll hurt for both so it'll mean its a fair deal.

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The players union needs to stop messing around and come off the full pro-rated share. This latest proposal seems fair, and its going to also increase the % even if no playoff games are played.

owners aren't really budging much. It's still a matter of players deciding how many games they want to play.

How about a "League of Their Own" a la WWII with minor league and college players putting on the Big League uni's for a shortened, one-time season? Give the minor league players the $ the MLBPA is sniffing at, and let the college players play for the one-time (for 99% of them) thrill of being a Cub or a Cardinal or a Dodger for a season. I'd watch that. Then maybe next year the idiots on both sides can get their heads back on straight.

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How about a "League of Their Own" a la WWII with minor league and college players putting on the Big League uni's for a shortened, one-time season? Give the minor league players the $ the MLBPA is sniffing at, and let the college players play for the one-time (for 99% of them) thrill of being a Cub or a Cardinal or a Dodger for a season. I'd watch that. Then maybe next year the idiots on both sides can get their heads back on straight.

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I have no idea where either side stands on playing games with scabs, but with the minor leagues essentially cancelled this year I would assume there would be a lot more guys willing to give it a go.

I would certainly watch it. Hell I watch the KBO every night.

Call it XLB. What could go wrong??

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Call it XLB. What could go wrong??

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Four months. No new league. Just players who might really want to play in 2020.

Without fans, the owners are desperate for the TV money. In your proposal, the networks aren't going to pay enough to make it worthwhile.

Don't even care anymore.

Gives us more time to ponder why we spend so much money on (mostly) lunk-headed doofuses playing a game

I was hoping for a season but after all of this, whatever. Don't play and force these players to go without pay for a season.

I wish the owners would just announce there isn't a season.

the owners are getting closer to just saying adios.

especially with the COVID ticking upward and the civil unrest continuing.

too many uncertainties in the year 2020

80-85% of a 70-80 game season is a fair offer and was the best shot at getting this done. So the season is basically ****ed now.

Let's start a new league similar to Super Baseball 2020. It's time! Literally!

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the owners are getting closer to just saying adios.

especially with the COVID ticking upward and the civil unrest continuing.

too many uncertainties in the year 2020

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Where are you getting this? There will be a season. The owners will likely announce 48 game season this week.

When the owners announce 48, the players will file a grievance. Then we'll see if any ball at all gets played.

Seems the highest probability is no season which at this point.........just go ahead and announce it and be done with it.

I think the owners will win the grievance and the players will have to play. That said, by the time that happens (or not long after), football, basketball, and golf (with a fall full of majors) are going to be rolling and no one is going to give a F about baseball. And the boring ass 3 true outcomes approach now won't do it any favors to get fans back. They've blown a big opportunity.

Then in 2022 it's going to really get ugly. If they can't come to a reasonable 80 game, 85% deal now, good ****ing luck to reaching an agreement for 2022. We may end up with 1 legit season of baseball in 3 years.

golf majors

I mean the owners basically sent the same deal over 3 different times and made it clear that they won't pay for more than 48 games. So 48 games full pay is what we're gonna have.

I dont think a grievance will delay games being played

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You do realize that Sunday of the 2019 Masters drew more viewers than several of the 2019 World Series games, right? And that was despite it starting in the morning to avoid a coming rainstorm.

Tiger factor is still strong

I think I would honestly be OK if MLB started over with replacement players. Maybe it's just me, but today's star players are just not that likeable. I don't know whether that is because they expose their stupidity on social media, their staying power is down due to a lack of performance enhancing drugs, or I'm just getting older. Mike Trout seems to be the only interesting superstar to me and I absolutely despise his team. It's just hard for me to watch Bryce Harper bat .249 while Scott Boras is driving up the cost of my family experience for the last three decades.

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Tiger factor is still strong

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Definitely stronger than any baseball factor rn

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I think I would honestly be OK if MLB started over with replacement players. Maybe it's just me, but today's star players are just not that likeable. I don't know whether that is because they expose their stupidity on social media, their staying power is down due to a lack of performance enhancing drugs, or I'm just getting older. Mike Trout seems to be the only interesting superstar to me and I absolutely despise his team. It's just hard for me to watch Bryce Harper bat .249 while Scott Boras is driving up the cost of my family experience for the last three decades.

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Yea I agree. I dont need major league players to enjoy baseball. And I don't really care for or about any of the current players.

Bring on the scabs. I have no problem with that.

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I think I would honestly be OK if MLB started over with replacement players. Maybe it's just me, but today's star players are just not that likeable. I don't know whether that is because they expose their stupidity on social media, their staying power is down due to a lack of performance enhancing drugs, or I'm just getting older. Mike Trout seems to be the only interesting superstar to me and I absolutely despise his team. It's just hard for me to watch Bryce Harper bat .249 while Scott Boras is driving up the cost of my family experience for the last three decades.

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To further your hate of Bryce Harper, here is a take from someone who scouted him back in high school:

"On the flipside, I got to scout Bryce Harper out in Vegas as a freshman. HUGE DICK. I came home from that event (he was already hyped as a prospect) and told everyone in the office he was definitely going to be a superstar but I guaranteed he would never win a World Series on account of his POS attitude. I stand by it today."

I agree that the ticket prices, price for beer and a dog, etc. make the fan experience not as fun and even more so make it less and less possible. When my dad was growing up, he could hop the bus with his brother and head to the stadium to catch a game nearly every chance he could and all on the back of a paper route. Now, youd have to save to go to merely a few. Its rough for baseball fans and agents have torched the environment on the basis of greed. 250 million dollars to swing a bat and play a kid's game is just...its just too much when it comes at the cost of the little kids who just want to be fans. But hey, now we have tv so I guess we can just watch it at home. Not the same, not the same.