Imagine someone throwing an actual beach ball at you while you were on ADHD meds. It would be downright scary.

If 2014 was the year the ball didn't look like a beach ball, I would figure he'd swing at more pitches, swing at more out of the zone pitches, he'd swing and miss more, he'd make worse contact, etc.

But its a mixed bag, at most.

0-3 tonight but with a walk and run scored.

0-32 for the season and he's 0-55 now.

I want he guy to get a hit!

I want him to go another 10 and or so hitless


Then have like a 4 hit game

The statistical odds of that happening are just astounding to imagine

Poor ******* needs to get a hit. He's set a record that may never be touched. He needs to end it.

There has to a pitcher - friend - former teammate that will just toss him a meatball to get him his hit. But yes it is fun to watch and he still has the last laugh collecting all that coin.

On the complete opposite end Whit's streak ended at 31 - he beat George Brett's KC record!

I posted this on the other thread about Crash, but I wondered if they could just buy him out for a reduced amount if he would agree to retire. O's save some money, and Davis saves several years of embarrassment.

Corporal Punishment said:

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I'm going to burn in Hell because I'm enjoying the **** out of this.

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Why?

Two reasons:

1. Train wreck
2. Not a fan of high strike out guys...makes for a boring style of play

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Soap Box Two
Having said that... I've been very critical of his use of Adderral. ADHD is a made up disease that only requires 3 people to say you have it, in order to be diagnosed. It is a scam. As one poster on here noted, it makes the ball come in looking like a beach ball.

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Soap Box Two*:
No it's not. I have ADHD, and I can tell you, Adderall is not a miracle drug that will make a ball coming in looking like a beach ball. It just helps me be "normal" and concentrate on what I want to concentrate on. I'm able to actually sit and read when I take it. And to anyone saying "ugh, it's just in your head" - why yes,yes it is.

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I won't deny the claims Adderall helps you concentrate on what you want to concentrate on. I will not deny it allows you (and many others) to actually sit and when when you take it. Does Adderall affect people the way it claims? Absolutely.

This is one of MANY articles which covers how college students are abusing Adderall for the same reasons MLB players abuse it. To advantage it's affects to reach greater performance.

Tell me how you were diagnosed. If you are like one of the 101 MLB players with a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption) in 2018, you likely had 3-4 non-doctors who anecdotally submitted information to a psychologist, who determined you to be ADHD. I won't argue your diagnosis... or the label you've accepted. Or that you might be wired differently than many. But I will acknowledge the predominant use for Adderall is to gain compliance in school by teachers. Parents go along with it because the school quits calling and their zombie child suddenly seems "better" and less oppositional.

I have a child two schools have wanted medicated and several teachers have pushed for. You know how we've avoided Adderall? We told the school we weren't playing the compliance/zombie game. We tell them the issue is they want our child to be compliant and we'll work towards that.

My son can sit fine with no issues for 6 hours at school, and in the 7th class, he is disruptive 2 or 3 times a week. We've seen the differences in responses to ADHD questionnaire vary strictly based on subject, time of day, or an event.

Chase said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Soap Box Two
Having said that... I've been very critical of his use of Adderral. ADHD is a made up disease that only requires 3 people to say you have it, in order to be diagnosed. It is a scam. As one poster on here noted, it makes the ball come in looking like a beach ball.

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It is very easy for someone without a problem to believe that problem doesn't exist but to speak so definitively on a subject you obviously don't have experience with is just inane.

ADHD is very much a real problem but there should be proper diagnosis and attempts at correction without stimulants (including therapy) before testing to see which medication works best for the person and in what dosage.

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It is just as folly to assume I have no experience with it because you don't like my position. I deal with learning-differenced kids every day. My kid attends such a school, and almost half of the kids have "ADHD" diagnosis, and after about the 3rd or 4th time the kid is sent to the principal, the kid gets Adderall (or other such drug).

What is funny... the class just went on a field trip and I think our kid was the only one that didn't have to sign a prescription drug doc. Several teachers had pushed us towards getting our child medicated, and I assume they thought we did. The headmaster even came to us and said, "we didn't get a waiver for meds, did you fill this out?" When we said "he doesn't take meds," there is a surprising "really??" Funny enough, though... shortly after they realize he isn't on meds, we start getting calls from the school about how he seems distracted and unable to comply.

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Don't misconstrue my response to mean that I believe it to be free from misdiagnosis, over-diagnosis and parental pressure to have a child labeled ADHD to help them with school and/or extracurricular activity. If the above actions aren't in the process, the doctor is just rubber-stamping a shotgun approach to a problem that may not exist.

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THAT IS THE PROBLEM. The progression is:

Teacher to Parent: "I think your kid needs testing" <for ADHD>
Parent to Teacher: "I struggle with my kid. I think I might have him "tested.'"

Parent to Doctor: "My school thinks my kid needs to be tested."
Doctor to Parent: "Are you willing to put him on medication? If so, have 3-4 people fill out this questionnaire."

Parent to Teacher: "My Dr wants people to fill this out, since you seem to have this child when he struggles, I'm asking you to fill it out."
Teacher to Parent: "Yes, I fill these out all the time <for the students, whose parents I recommend testing>."

Doctor to Parent: "Got the test results back. Yep, he has ADHD based on the results given by the teacher that told you to get tested."
Parent: "Adderall?"
Doctor to Parent: "Yes."

Teacher to Parent: "Your kid is so much better. He no longer disrupts my class. See, I knew Adderall would improve not just his class room, but don't you see it at home, too?"
Parent to Teacher: "I love Adderall. I have such an obedient and wonderful son."

I deal with this issue ALL THE TIME. And talk to many teachers who see how abused it is. IMO, parent don't advocate enough for their kids and strive as much for compliance as teachers do.

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That process is nothing like the process I have seen family members go through when they are evaluated for ADHD.

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Educate me.

He's a sunk cost. You pay him whether you play him or not. If the goal is to win and develop your young talent, bench him and play the other guys. You are doing nothing for your team by throwing him out there.

There was no form filled out by teachers. Several specialist visits were required and much longer and in-depth evaluation was done by doctors. The school was not involved at all.

DallasAg 94 said:

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Chase said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Soap Box Two
Having said that... I've been very critical of his use of Adderral. ADHD is a made up disease that only requires 3 people to say you have it, in order to be diagnosed. It is a scam. As one poster on here noted, it makes the ball come in looking like a beach ball.

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It is very easy for someone without a problem to believe that problem doesn't exist but to speak so definitively on a subject you obviously don't have experience with is just inane.

ADHD is very much a real problem but there should be proper diagnosis and attempts at correction without stimulants (including therapy) before testing to see which medication works best for the person and in what dosage.

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It is just as folly to assume I have no experience with it because you don't like my position. I deal with learning-differenced kids every day. My kid attends such a school, and almost half of the kids have "ADHD" diagnosis, and after about the 3rd or 4th time the kid is sent to the principal, the kid gets Adderall (or other such drug).

What is funny... the class just went on a field trip and I think our kid was the only one that didn't have to sign a prescription drug doc. Several teachers had pushed us towards getting our child medicated, and I assume they thought we did. The headmaster even came to us and said, "we didn't get a waiver for meds, did you fill this out?" When we said "he doesn't take meds," there is a surprising "really??" Funny enough, though... shortly after they realize he isn't on meds, we start getting calls from the school about how he seems distracted and unable to comply.

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Don't misconstrue my response to mean that I believe it to be free from misdiagnosis, over-diagnosis and parental pressure to have a child labeled ADHD to help them with school and/or extracurricular activity. If the above actions aren't in the process, the doctor is just rubber-stamping a shotgun approach to a problem that may not exist.

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THAT IS THE PROBLEM. The progression is:

Teacher to Parent: "I think your kid needs testing" <for ADHD>
Parent to Teacher: "I struggle with my kid. I think I might have him "tested.'"

Parent to Doctor: "My school thinks my kid needs to be tested."
Doctor to Parent: "Are you willing to put him on medication? If so, have 3-4 people fill out this questionnaire."

Parent to Teacher: "My Dr wants people to fill this out, since you seem to have this child when he struggles, I'm asking you to fill it out."
Teacher to Parent: "Yes, I fill these out all the time <for the students, whose parents I recommend testing>."

Doctor to Parent: "Got the test results back. Yep, he has ADHD based on the results given by the teacher that told you to get tested."
Parent: "Adderall?"
Doctor to Parent: "Yes."

Teacher to Parent: "Your kid is so much better. He no longer disrupts my class. See, I knew Adderall would improve not just his class room, but don't you see it at home, too?"
Parent to Teacher: "I love Adderall. I have such an obedient and wonderful son."

I deal with this issue ALL THE TIME. And talk to many teachers who see how abused it is. IMO, parent don't advocate enough for their kids and strive as much for compliance as teachers do.

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It isn't about assuming anything or whether I like your position on the topic. When you post that "ADHD is a made up disease that only requires 3 people to say you have it, in order to be diagnosed. It is a scam.", you, yourself, make it obvious that you have no serious experience with it from a medical or patient perspective.

Had you instead typed, "ADHD is a horribly over-diagnosed disease that is damaging to the youth of this country" or something similar, you would have had a blue star from me and others that actually live with the disease.

Dealing with differently-enabled kids and/or the exact scenarios I summarily denounced in my post does not mean you have experience with the problem...it means you have experience with people that are USING the problem for their own gains, whether that someone be the parents, the kids or the teachers (which is a BIG part of the issue). While this type of abuse is sad, my point is that it does not invalidate the actual disease.

As a side note, it is my belief that the attention span required of things today is a big cause of the increasing faux-explosion in ADHD diagnosis. Kids are so accustomed to not having to seriously work at a problem (just look it up on the Internet!) or concentrate on a single thing (let's play on our phone while watching TV or during dinner) that they are actually being TRAINED to a lack of attention and focus. Second-screening is one of the biggest culprits here but the digital babysitter mentality is close behind.

For the record, we have four kids, two that are learning-challenged and two that are gifted-and-talented types. At some point I have had a teacher talk to my wife or myself about all of them having wandering attention and thinking they could benefit from medication and we've told all of them that we would monitor them and see what we see.

While I don't doubt that the learning-challenged kids (oldest at 20, youngest at 8) would benefit from ADHD medication in the short term, we have long taken the approach of preparing them for the real world, instead making sure they know that they are not going to have anything handed to them and need to work harder than other people to do the same things. We are working to help the two strong-willed middle kids (18 and 11) understand the issues they face and how to chip away at those problems. The 18yr old graduated with an International Baccalaureate degree (significantly more time-intensive than AP courses, including homework into the wee hours every night) without being medicated and is now at A&M doing well so we're hopeful they will all avoid stimulants.

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There was no form filled out by teachers. Several specialist visits were required and much longer and in-depth evaluation was done by doctors. The school was not involved at all.

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That doesn't make sense. I'm curious when and where that was done. Maybe 30 years ago?! But it would not meet the definition of the diagnosis, today. Has to be observed in 2 or more environments. Home, school, work. It has to meet the anecdotal markers on 6 or more of 10 observations.

I'll post a clinical definition, and encourage you to find your own source you like. I have one on my PC, but am in carpool, right now, dodging zombies. LoL

Oyster DuPree said:

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This thread sucks now. Can we get back to some good old-fashioned enjoyment of the misery of others?

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Hopefully Davis finds his old prescription bottle and kicks the inside... or finds a good old fashioned "slump buster."

What does that kind if slump buster look like? Talk about misery...

DallasAg 94 said:

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powerbelly said:

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There was no form filled out by teachers. Several specialist visits were required and much longer and in-depth evaluation was done by doctors. The school was not involved at all.

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That doesn't make sense. I'm curious when and where that was done. Maybe 30 years ago?! But it would not meet the definition of the diagnosis, today. Has to be observed in 2 or more environments. Home, school, work. It has to meet the anecdotal markers on 6 or more of 10 observations.

I'll post a clinical definition, and encourage you to find your own source you like. I have one on my PC, but am in carpool, right now, dodging zombies. LoL

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It was 5 or 6 years ago. He was observed, but not by his teachers for this. It was a several month process and several therapies were tried before medication.

So, uhm, Davis recorded a hit yet.

He PH'd last night and lined out L4. I think it's 0 for 54 now. Hitless in his last 62 plate appearances.

I think he gets a hit off Porcello Saturday.

Corporal Punishment said:

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He PH'd last night and lined out L4. I think it's 0 for 54 now. Hitless in his last 62 plate appearances.

I think he gets a hit off Porcello Saturday.

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Was it the kind of screaming liner that makes you want to hit someone with your bat on the way back to the dugout one of those soft things that only avoided being a ground out by some trick of the launch angle?

DVC2010 said:

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Corporal Punishment said:

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He PH'd last night and lined out L4. I think it's 0 for 54 now. Hitless in his last 62 plate appearances.

I think he gets a hit off Porcello Saturday.

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Was it the kind of screaming liner that makes you want to hit someone with your bat on the way back to the dugout one of those soft things that only avoided being a ground out by some trick of the launch angle?

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I think so. I didn't see it but the article said the hit had a .975 batting average given I guess...exit velocity, angle, yada yada yada.