Hopefully those GP totals continue when we move to that playground surface the organization picked out.

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The point of Santana over Odor was that Odor carries more $$$ and at $236M for 2019, the BoSox are probably not interested in putting more money on the IF, when their SP has been terrible.

Odor is streaky, but nobody I've heard who has met him, has ever claimed he had a low Baseball-IQ. Quite the contrary. Everything I've heard is that he take in everything he can. Sure, he has a lapse, loses focus... but he is 25.

Which leads to another myth. Odor is often injured.

He has the following GP: 114, 120, 150, 162, 129, 12.

He averaged 147 GP the past 3 seasons, missing 15 games/season.

In his 1st season (114 GP), he was called up (at age 20) and made his debut on May 8. That was game #35 of the season, so he missed 34. That means he missed 14 Games after making his debut.

So, since being called up... in his 5 seasons, he has missed an average of just a little over 20 Games (14, 42, 12, 0, 33). That's 1 DL15/yr. And we know of those 5 seasons, he didn't miss enough games in 3 of those, to be on the DL, at all.

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You can't keep using age as an excuse. I don't recall Elvis making a lot of boneheaded plays in his first few years and he played a similar position to odor, played on a team with higher expectations, and was just as young if not younger than odor when he came up.

Grapesoda2525 said:

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You can't keep using age as an excuse. I don't recall Elvis making a lot of boneheaded plays in his first few years and he played a similar position to odor, played on a team with higher expectations, and was just as young if not younger than odor when he came up.

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Sure I can. If you are comparing him to players who are in the minors, while Odor has been in MLB... sure I can.

Regarding Elvis...
Elvis was 20y-223d when he made his debut. Career Fld$: .973. RF/G: 4.36. 93 errors.
Odor was 20y-094d when he made his debut. Career Fld%: .976. RF/G: 4.59. 76 errors.


Elvis in his 1st 5 years: .274, 18 HR, 165 SB, 51 CS, .339 OBP, .348 SLG
Odor in his 1st 5 years: .248, 106 HR, 51 SB, 39 CS, .295 OBP, .440 SLG.

I won't deny Odor can be a bit of a meat head, nor that he hasn't gotten picked off being lazy, or that he hasn't flubbed some easy plays.

LOL at Smyly. I think it's time to stick a fork in this experiment, at least for now. Go see if he can find it in AAA. He's gonna have about 13 innings across 4 starts.

Smyly gives me a huge ****ing frown.

DannyDuberstein said:

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LOL at Smyly. I think it's time to stick a fork in this experiment, at least for now. Go see if he can find it in AAA. He's gonna have about 13 innings across 4 starts.

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The guy stinks. When he's not giving up home runs, he's walking almost everyone.

These JD pitching experiments are pure basura!

TMACsDaMan said:

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These JD pitching experiments are pure basura!

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Minor was an experiment. So was a guy like Cashner. They can work, but this one definitely needs some seasoning in Nashville or something

That looked like little league

I'm only watching to see how long the chick in the yellow tube top can hang on.

Dammit. Jinx. She went for the sweater right as i posted

I blame Tom Grieve for tonight's mess. He and Dave R paired together is the broadcast equivalent of a Drew Smyly start. I was hoping we'd moved on from the Grieve era.

DannyDuberstein said:

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TMACsDaMan said:

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These JD pitching experiments are pure basura!

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Minor was an experiment. So was a guy like Cashner. They can work, but this one definitely needs some seasoning in Nashville or something

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TMAC: Don't lose sight of how we ended up with Smyly. ChiCubs needed to dump salary to pick up the option on Hamels. The $6M buyout for Hamels was agreed to be paid for by the Rangers, if the Cubs didn't pick up his option. Smyly carries a $7M cost to the Rangers for 2019. So, essentially, they got Smyly for $1M for the season. Not a terrible expense. Once he gets past the 1st, he seems to settle in, but his PC gets so high, he doesn't get far into the game. He might ought to have an "opener" start the game, and let him spend the 1st IP throwing in the BP and come in in the 2nd.

Minor had a successful season as a RP, so when the Rangers signed him... it was as a RP, whom I believe they agreed to give him a shot as a SP. Since they were so thin, it made sense to give him every chance as a SP.

Cashner had a good season with us. He was coming off a rough season, but had pitched well prior to that. IIRC, Cashner was one of the pitchers that our previous Pitching coach thought he saw something he could tweak.

Don't forget 2017 brought us AJ Griffin and Tyson Ross. Ross has been quite good since leaving Texas.

I don't think Smyly has thrown an actual strike all game. Astros hitters keep swinging at pitches out of the zone

This Schieffer visit is depressing me. This is such a great park.

Am I wrong or is Chavez a gas can? I guess if we're gonna give up a **** ton of runs it may as well be when Verlander is throwing.

This game is a TURD.

Flush it and move on. I can live with winning 1 out of 3 against the Astros with these pitching matchups. Just don't want these guys to sweep us.

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This Schieffer visit is depressing me. This is such a great park.

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This constant walk down memory lane is getting pretty old.

Are we going to do this every night?

The Ticket took their Lent swear jar and bet on the Rangers to win tonight. $500 down the drain.

Looks like Kyle Bird optioned (5.1 IP 6.75 ERA).

Brett Martin with the call-up. Making his debut.

If anyone is going tonight, I'd love to buy a bobble off of you. Stuck potty training the kid and can't make it plus I hate paying the people on eBay who just hoard them to sell.

I got bored last night, during the game, and decided to compile a list of 2B.

The following is a list MLB lists for stats at 2B for 2019. Not all are playing at 2B. Some are util, or playing another position, but I listed the 29 players. I've included the age of debut in MLB, and their 1st full season, which I characterized as over 100GP. For most, it was either below 70-80 games or more than 105, so I felt there was enough gap, we could go with about 100. At least half a season.

Castro (Mia): 20y-026d. 20 1st full (120GP in that season)
Odor (Tex): 20y-094d. 20 1st full (114G) <-Currently: 25y-075d
Albies (Atl): 20y-206d. 21 1st full (158G)
Altuve (Hou): 21y-075d. 22 1st full (147G)
Moncada (CWS): 21y-098d. 23 1st full (149G)
Torres (NYY): 21y-130d. 21 1st full (123G)
Baez (ChC): 21y-247d. 23 1st full (142G)
A Cabrera (Tex): 21y-268d. 22 1st full (114G) <- Playing 3B
Marte (Ari): 21y-292d. 22 1st full (119G)
Schoop (Min): 21y-344d. 22 1st full (137G)
Owings (KC): 22y-022d. 23 1st full (147G)
Villar (Bal): 22y-081d. 25 1st full (156G)
Cano (NYM): 22y-193d. 22 1st full
Wong (STL): 22y-310d. 23 1st full (113G)
LeMaheius (NYY): 22y-321d. 24 1st full (109G)

D Gordon (Sea): 23y-045d. 26 1st full (148G)
Difo (WSH): 23y-047d. 25 1st full
Hampson (Col): 23y-284d.
Kinsler (SD): 23y-285d
Harrison (Det): 23y-327d
Hernandez (Phi): 23y-331d
Lowe (TB): 24y-030d
Frazier (Pit): 24y-193d
Gonzalez (Pit): 24y-320d
Dozier (Was): 24y-358d
Zobrist (ChC): 25y-067d
Goodrum (Det): 25y-186d
McNeil (NYM): 26y-107d.
Merrifield (KC): 27y-115d

14 of the 29 didn't make their MLB debut until 23. Almost a full 3 years after Odor. There were two who were technically under the day count and neither of them had a full season in MLB until much later. After those 2, Hampson is practically 24, and well, all of the players after that were about where Odor was in 2018... our last full season of Odor.

Pedroia isn't listed. He was 23y-005d on his debut (31G played that season). It was the next season he played a full season (139G).

Profar is also not listed. He was 19y-195d (played 9G). He played 85 G the next season. Didn't resurface until 23 (90G)... I don't need to rehash his story.

Point is, Odor has a career 687 GP, a .246 BA, and 106 HRs, .436 SLG and a .731 OPS... and he is younger than half of the current 2B when they made their MLB debut. They were in the minors because either they lacked the focus and ability to be a quality defender, their defense wasn't good enough to overcome their lack of Offensive production, there was someone ahead of them blocking them, or they had been injured.

Regardless, he has the progressed faster and done better than most other teams' 2B'er.

What's the best way to grab 4 last minute tickets

Stub hub and use your phone?

It will be fantastic if we can win the next two as the assbag fans are really puffing out their bird chests about last night's game.

Was just thinking that Odor is in danger of being Wally Pipped. At least for a while.

Doorbell said:

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I don't care when Odor is healthy, I'd love to see Santana continue to find his name in the lineup everyday until his production drops. Short sample so far, but he has been fantastic.

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Front office would have to be filled with total idiots to get rid of Santana with the way he's been playing. A competent team would have to find a spot for him.

Still judging Woody.

I like how he handled Sampson. Could have pulled him with Altuve up... struggling.

Gave up a HR. Pitching coach went out to slow things down and give him a breather, but left him out there. The balance to play-to-win, allow the kid to work through a struggle, and a total-tank-season.

Left him out, to see if he could get out of the jam, to get his 1st career W... after the Cabrera shoulder issue... go ahead and take him out.

You could have left him out there, but go ahead and pull him and hope to preserve his line, for confidence.

Reassure him the W will come. Pretty good outing for a guy really on the bubble. Something to build on.

I thought for sure DD was going for an in the park homerun there