Latest on Keuchel

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The Astros haven't been engaged on Dallas Keuchel in recent weeks, ESPN's Buster Olney writes in his latest look at the free-agent left-hander's apparently stagnant market (subscription required). The Phillies, he adds, still have interest only in a "very" short-term deal, as was reported last week. Meanwhile, La Velle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that unless Keuchel or free-agent closer Craig Kimbrel is suddenly willing to take a one-year deal, the Twins aren't likely to sign either pitcher three weeks into Spring Training. As for the Braves, MLB.com's Mark Bowman wrote late last week that spring ailments for Mike Foltynewicz and Kevin Gausman haven't been deemed concerning enough for Atlanta to pursue Keuchel.

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Sounds like he's pretty screwed.

AustinCountyAg said:

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DK should swallow his pride and come back to H-town on a short term deal and try to win another ring instead of settling for a "okay" deal for some crappy NL team.

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Do we realistically have room on the roster? I mean who would we be sending back to the minors?

Bobcat-Ag said:

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AustinCountyAg said:

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DK should swallow his pride and come back to H-town on a short term deal and try to win another ring instead of settling for a "okay" deal for some crappy NL team.

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Do we realistically have room on the roster? I mean who would we be sending back to the minors?

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You make room for a pitcher like Dallas.

And it's easy...Whoever would be getting that 5th rotation spot.

That competition goes away and Peacock goes to the pen.

His attitude could be an issue if he returns on a short term deal. He feels like he's getting the short end of the stick as it is and that could compound the issue. Add to that he's always been a little testy.

I get these guys wanting to get the absolute max deal, but at some point it makes you look ridiculous. DK has gone past that point. I don't wish him ill, but certainly don't really care if he is successful going forward. Stuff like this rubs me the wrong way. He had his chances to make a lot of money and stay with a stable organization with a huge window of success potential. As a competitor, I don't understand how anyone would pass that up - that is totally irrespective of it being the Astros. Ego got in the way.

Farmer1906 said:

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PSully97 said:

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Don't sleep on Derek Fisher this season.

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Lol

He's like the 7th or 8th option for an outfielder this year.

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That's true, but he can play CF and everyone ahead of him is either injury-prone, is unproven and/or has struggled to hit @ the major league level, and/or can't play center.

1. The organization thought enough of him that he was on the opening day roster last year.
2. He's not arbitration eligible until 2021 and is under team control until 2025.
3. Because of contracts, performance and options there is probably going to be a lot of movement in the OF in the next couple of years.

If he stays healthy and hits @ RR, he will get another chance.

I don't see DK being successful anywhere else than Houston.

GarrettL_15 said:

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I don't see DK being successful anywhere else than Houston.

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I dont see him being successful anywhere else in the AL. NL he only has to face 8 batters instead of 9, which should improve anyone. Especially a finesse guy like him.

it's amazing how these super-duper athletes are so afraid to bet on themselves.

take a 1-year $25 MM deal...go out there and have a great season...and then try free agency again next year.

but they don't have the confidence to do that

Unless either the bridge has been completely burned or we have an undisclosed plan to bring in another great SP at some point, I find it silly that we aren't talking to Dallas.

MosesHallRAB04 said:

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W said:

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it's amazing how these super-duper athletes are so afraid to bet on themselves.

take a 1-year $25 MM deal...go out there and have a great season...and then try free agency again next year.

but they don't have the confidence to do that

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It's pretty silly to ignore the huge risk of a career changing injury.

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but again that goes back to confidence. How many great players in recent years have had a career-ending / career-changing injury?

Andre Dawson didn't think that way back in 1987 with the Cubs...

Astros offered Dallas an extension not long ago and he declined. I bet he wishes he had signed it now.

By declining signing Dallas now, that may send a message to some of our other talented players about expectations for how the front office operates.

Not sure if it'll have any affect but I think there's some fallout from his initial rejection and the Astros aren't as willing to sign him.

The problem is that Dallas declined the offer a couple years ago when his value was maxed out. Well now a couple years later and with worse stats he wants a bigger deal. Except that's not how it works.

Keuchel and Boras overestimated his market and now they're trying to stick to their guns. At this point GMs are just waiting as his value plummets because it's getting to the point where he's gonna have to go extended ST and not even be on a roster when the season starts.

Nuke LaLoosh said:

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Unless either the bridge has been completely burned or we have an undisclosed plan to bring in another great SP at some point, I find it silly that we aren't talking to Dallas.

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When Boras leads every conversation with a nine figure asking price (which he reportedly hasn't budged from since the start of free agency), there's really nothing to discuss. I'm sure Luhnow has told Boras to give him a shout if he's interested in a deal that makes sense for our situation. I doubt checking in every week would look very good for our negotiating position.

W said:

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MosesHallRAB04 said:

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W said:

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it's amazing how these super-duper athletes are so afraid to bet on themselves.

take a 1-year $25 MM deal...go out there and have a great season...and then try free agency again next year.

but they don't have the confidence to do that

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It's pretty silly to ignore the huge risk of a career changing injury.

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but again that goes back to confidence. How many great players in recent years have had a career-ending / career-changing injury?

Andre Dawson didn't think that way back in 1987 with the Cubs...

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You don't need career ending. If his back flairs up like it did in '16 then he's hitting the market at 32 and trending very poorly. He'll get another 1 year deal worth 12 M. Then after that it'll keep getting smaller and smaller.

So if he's signed by someone after opening day, we lose our right to the comp picks?

agdaddy04 said:

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So if he's signed by someone after opening day, we lose our right to the comp picks?

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Now that's interesting.

And BS if it's correct. That's a pretty good way to stick it to the team who felt slighted you by not offering a fat contract.

Ag_07 said:

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agdaddy04 said:

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So if he's signed by someone after opening day, we lose our right to the comp picks?

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Now that's interesting.

And BS if it's correct. That's a pretty good way to stick it to the team who felt slighted you by not offering a fat contract.

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We probably offered a contract much better than he is getting offered now several years ago

He got Boras'd

astros4545 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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agdaddy04 said:

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So if he's signed by someone after opening day, we lose our right to the comp picks?

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Now that's interesting.

And BS if it's correct. That's a pretty good way to stick it to the team who felt slighted you by not offering a fat contract.

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We probably offered a contract much better than he is getting offered now several years ago

He got Boras'd

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To be fair, I think most of us thought the offer was low at the time.

astros4545 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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agdaddy04 said:

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So if he's signed by someone after opening day, we lose our right to the comp picks?

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Now that's interesting.

And BS if it's correct. That's a pretty good way to stick it to the team who felt slighted you by not offering a fat contract.

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We probably offered a contract much better than he is getting offered now several years ago

He got Boras'd

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If that is true then no way he is signed before opening day. Why not wait a week and save a draft pick.

Poke_the_Bear said:

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astros4545 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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agdaddy04 said:

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So if he's signed by someone after opening day, we lose our right to the comp picks?

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Now that's interesting.

And BS if it's correct. That's a pretty good way to stick it to the team who felt slighted you by not offering a fat contract.

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We probably offered a contract much better than he is getting offered now several years ago

He got Boras'd

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If that is true then no way he is signed before opening day. Why not wait a week and save a draft pick.

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Astros receive a draft pick if Keuchel leaves to another team

I am not sure of the timing of Opening Day and how that would affect that compensatory pick

I believe it's if they wait til after the draft to sign.

that looks pretty close to an opening day lineup.