• Two potential missed calls at 2B.
• Getting hit 15 foot away from 2B by a throw so wild it would have gone into R/CF. Cost a base and potentially a run.
• Last night's 1st inning fiasco costing 2 runs at a minimum. A call he cannot possibly see from 200 ft away while "running" from his spot in the RF line out to the field.

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Certainly like our chances tonight and optimistic about Cole having a bounce back start.

I'm curious if Boston essentially sacrifices tonight if we get some early runs. I could easily see Cora feeding Price to the wolves and leaving him out there even if he's getting lit up. Gives his bullpen a chance to get some rest before 2 games back in Boston. The strategy tonight by Boston should be interesting.

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Beat40 said:

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I just haven't seen it anywhere, but did the fan get tossed?

I am assuming yes since the Chron put out an article so fast.

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If ruled interference, there is no discretion the fan must be removed. Which makes this call even more egregious. Screwed this guy out of watching a game he paid for, ALCS front row tickets.

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JCA1 said:

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Certainly like our chances tonight and optimistic about Cole having a bounce back start.

I'm curious if Boston essentially sacrifices tonight if we get some early runs. I could easily see Cora feeding Price to the wolves and leaving him out there even if he's getting lit up. Gives his bullpen a chance to get some rest before 2 games back in Boston. The strategy tonight by Boston should be interesting.

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I think the Sox come out hacking away at JV. They have nothing to lose, and can play loose and free knowing they have 2 games in Boston and favorable umpire/MLB treatment.

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CJS4715 said:

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Not a Astros fan, but if I am a fan in that spot, I'm not just leaving it alone. If a ball if flying at me and has crossed the wall, I'm going to try to catch it for self-preservation at least.

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Nope, apparently you're supposed to stand there and get hit in the face, chest or nuts with the ball.

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JCA1 said:

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Wabs said:

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JCA1 said:

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Certainly like our chances tonight and optimistic about Cole having a bounce back start.

I'm curious if Boston essentially sacrifices tonight if we get some early runs. I could easily see Cora feeding Price to the wolves and leaving him out there even if he's getting lit up. Gives his bullpen a chance to get some rest before 2 games back in Boston. The strategy tonight by Boston should be interesting.

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I think the Sox come out hacking away at JV. They have nothing to lose, and can play loose and free knowing they have 2 games in Boston and favorable umpire/MLB treatment.

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I agree. But if Verlander does what I expect him to do, I don't think they'll be very successful in this. If we get some early runs against Boston, I'm really curious if Cora will pull Price to try and stay in the game or leave him out there, essentially give away this game, and save his bullpen for another day.

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R-Dog said:

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I am just amazed at the focus on whether Betts would have caught it or not and the complete lack of focus on what the rule is. Apparently, in the post game, when asked about it, Betts said something to the tune of "I reached over the fence and..." Essentially proving he doesn't know the rule himself because the way he described what happened himself means it should have been a home run.

The instant his glove goes over the fence, fans can do anything they want...hold his glove closed, pull the ball out of the glove, pull the glove off his hand. Obviously no one is going to intentionally do any of those things but the point is, he gets zero protection. And certainly the fans have no obligation to get out of his way.

If the ballpark is empty, yes...I think he catches the ball. But that is totally IRRELEVANT.

To the people out there on social media (many obviously Red Sox fans) that are arguing that he didn't even go over the fence in the first place, my question is this. It is a 7 foot wall. He is a 6 foot tall man and his body is within inches of the wall. If the ball is not over the wall, why is he jumping? Does he have alligator arms? Shouldn't he have just been able to reach out and grab it and stay on his feet? It took all the extension he could get just to get close to it. He's 6 inches away from a wall that is barely taller than he is.

I just don't see how you can possibly rule the way they did. Makes me sick. I thought I would be more relaxed this year since I waited 45 years for them to win it all and they finally did last year, but I just can't get over the fact that such an obvious error most likely just played a huge role in ending our season. If anyone can come back, we can but we are just playing terrible baseball right now.

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92Ag95 said:

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R-Dog said:

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I am just amazed at the focus on whether Betts would have caught it or not and the complete lack of focus on what the rule is. Apparently, in the post game, when asked about it, Betts said something to the tune of "I reached over the fence and..." Essentially proving he doesn't know the rule himself because the way he described what happened himself means it should have been a home run.

The instant his glove goes over the fence, fans can do anything they want...hold his glove closed, pull the ball out of the glove, pull the glove off his hand. Obviously no one is going to intentionally do any of those things but the point is, he gets zero protection. And certainly the fans have no obligation to get out of his way.

If the ballpark is empty, yes...I think he catches the ball. But that is totally IRRELEVANT.

To the people out there on social media (many obviously Red Sox fans) that are arguing that he didn't even go over the fence in the first place, my question is this. It is a 7 foot wall. He is a 6 foot tall man and his body is within inches of the wall. If the ball is not over the wall, why is he jumping? Does he have alligator arms? Shouldn't he have just been able to reach out and grab it and stay on his feet? It took all the extension he could get just to get close to it. He's 6 inches away from a wall that is barely taller than he is.

I just don't see how you can possibly rule the way they did. Makes me sick. I thought I would be more relaxed this year since I waited 45 years for them to win it all and they finally did last year, but I just can't get over the fact that such an obvious error most likely just played a huge role in ending our season. If anyone can come back, we can but we are just playing terrible baseball right now.

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It's my understanding that INTENTIONAL interference in a situation like that can be called outside the field of play...ie...if the fan grabs his glove. But incidental interference such as the fan simply trying to catch a homerun ball (or trying to not get hit in the face or nuts) cannot occur outside the field of play.

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DVC2010 said:

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I just spent more than $2000 on World Series tickets. I don't want a refund.

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gambochaman said:

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can someone post the article where betts said he went over the wall?

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bobinator said:

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To be honest I kind of feel bad for Benitendi. Dude made an absolutely spectacular (and risky!) diving grab to win an ALCS game and hardly anyone is talking about it today.

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