I'm so excited for the Rangers game today.
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And they thought Beltre's 3000th was the only milestone they'd get to see this year.
I know CarGo is at 10 straight. Is the record 9 or 10?
I think the answer is in the question...mathguy86 said:
I know CarGo is at 10 straight. Is the record 9 or 10?
Who's sucks more...Carlos Gomez or the Rangers in general?
Ag_07 said:
Who's sucks more...Carlos Gomez or the Rangers in general?
Gomez for sure.
Gomez vs the rangers bullpen is a much tighter race....
In reality Gomez isn't even close to their worst player. He's at .246/.327..486 and a wRC+ of 110.
Gallo is .192/.298/..506. wRC+ 106. He's hit 20 HR but struck out an insane 39% of the time. With him it either ends with him trotting around the bases or trotting back to the dugout while the catcher fires down to 3B.
If they have to play Deshelds in CF his OBA and SLG are .343 and .341. I'm not sure I have ever seen someone whose slugging % is lower than their OBA. I mean you have to work at that one.
Odor is .207/.245/.369. His wRC+ is 54. 50 freaking 4. He is literally the worst 2B in fangraphs in 90% of the offensive measures.
Napoli is also well below the Mendoza line, striking out a third of the time and has a wRC+ of 67.
Oh no. Carlos Gomez is not anywhere close to the worst player they trot out there. Hell, he is probably in their top 3.
Gallo is .192/.298/..506. wRC+ 106. He's hit 20 HR but struck out an insane 39% of the time. With him it either ends with him trotting around the bases or trotting back to the dugout while the catcher fires down to 3B.
If they have to play Deshelds in CF his OBA and SLG are .343 and .341. I'm not sure I have ever seen someone whose slugging % is lower than their OBA. I mean you have to work at that one.
Odor is .207/.245/.369. His wRC+ is 54. 50 freaking 4. He is literally the worst 2B in fangraphs in 90% of the offensive measures.
Napoli is also well below the Mendoza line, striking out a third of the time and has a wRC+ of 67.
Oh no. Carlos Gomez is not anywhere close to the worst player they trot out there. Hell, he is probably in their top 3.
I was told that Odor is better than Altuve. Weird. Must've heard wrong or something.
Not to interrupt anything, especially because I had Gomez as much as the next. But I think he had a walk in the middle of those 10 Ks
Ball 4 on a check swing?
You must've been looking at their contracts.
What you heard he's better at has nothing to do with baseball.bigbass1170 said:
I was told that Odor is better than Altuve. Weird. Must've heard wrong or something.
I think he's going for the most consecutive ABs with a K, not consecutive plate appearances
I think the plate appearances record is 11. Not sure where I heard that though.
The record for most strikeouts in consecutive plate appearances is 12, held by Sandy Koufax. The most in consecutive at-bats is 18, held by Daniel Cabrerra. However, since both are pitchers, that's not a terribly surprising record.
I don't know what the record is for position players.
I don't know what the record is for position players.
Damn. Gomez had 2 hits tonight. He's such a stud. The Rangers really punked the stros there.
Is this what it feels like to be a Rangers fan?
DVC2010 said:
Is this what it feels like to be a Rangers fan?
Definitely not.
The Rangers BP is so bad they're trading for a 40 year old with an ERA of 7 who's having issues keeping the ball in the yard.
He must have had his try out facing Gomez.
36-11 in 1-run games last year.
6-14 in 1-run games this year.
But that Rangers team was different. They weren't "lucky." They just "knew how to win."
6-14 in 1-run games this year.
But that Rangers team was different. They weren't "lucky." They just "knew how to win."
Incredible that y'all still cling to this tired narrative. First of all, we won the division by 9 games (11 games ahead of Houston). Swap 8 of those 1 run wins for losses and we win the division by a game with a one run game win % of 0.595, which would be lower than the Astros current one run win % (0.625). Good teams win close games. Sure we had some lucky breaks and won more one run games than we should have, we also had some unlucky breaks with injuries. That's the way baseball go.irish pete ag06 said:
36-11 in 1-run games last year.
6-14 in 1-run games this year.
But that Rangers team was different. They weren't "lucky." They just "knew how to win."
We started the year with a bunch of injuries, lost some key pieces over the offseason and our bullpen imploded, so we're having a worse season. To act like our one run record last season has any bearing on this season is a stretch at best.
Rangers had to get the "pity selection" b/c they don't have anyone deserving. Astros have 2 pitchers (Devo and Harris) who deserved it more than ya boi...
Ag2012 said:Incredible that y'all still cling to this tired narrative. First of all, we won the division by 9 games (11 games ahead of Houston). Swap 8 of those 1 run wins for losses and we win the division by a game with a one run game win % of 0.595, which would be lower than the Astros current one run win % (0.625). Good teams win close games. Sure we had some lucky breaks and won more one run games than we should have, we also had some unlucky breaks with injuries. That's the way baseball go.irish pete ag06 said:
36-11 in 1-run games last year.
6-14 in 1-run games this year.
But that Rangers team was different. They weren't "lucky." They just "knew how to win."
We started the year with a bunch of injuries, lost some key pieces over the offseason and our bullpen imploded, so we're having a worse season. To act like our one run record last season has any bearing on this season is a stretch at best.
This chart is a decent graphical explanation of just how fluky your year was last year. The other outlier is the 2012 O's, who also had a crazy win% in 1 run games. They were something like 30-9. There are dozens of statistical models and papers concerning 1 run games and they all say the same thing. Wins and losses in 1 run games are largely a 50-50 proposition. Do good teams win more than they should? Yes. Do bad teams lose more than they should. Yes. But by and large it is a break even proposition. The Giants are 33-51 this year. They are 11-13 in 1 run games. The Dodgers are 55-28. They are 8-10 in 1 run games. Tell me again that 1 run games mean how good a team is.
The Rangers last year were a statistical fluke and this year you reverted to the mean. It's not rocket science.
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Your reading comprehension isn't great is it?
No I'm reading just fine. You think your crazy fluke in 1 runs games last year is independent of your teams record this year. I got news for you. When you revert to the mean in something that weird that directly reflects your W-L record, the next year you pay the price for it. The Rangers were basically a .500 team last year. It was just hidden by historically extraordinary luck. You are basically a .500 team this year. It's just not being covered up.Ag2012 said:
Your reading comprehension isn't great is it?
We won the division by NINE GAMES. Again, adjust that one run win % to lower than yours this year and we still win the division. We're worse at first base without Mitch Moreland, we're worse in the OF without Ian Desmond, we were worse at 3B for about a quarter of the season without Beltre, and our rotation was worse without Hamels for a couple months.mathguy86 said:No I'm reading just fine. You think your crazy fluke in 1 runs games last year is independent of your teams record this year. I got news for you. When you revert to the mean in something that weird that directly reflects your W-L record, the next year you pay the price for it. The Rangers were basically a .500 team last year. It was just hidden by historically extraordinary luck. You are basically a .500 team this year. It's just not being covered up.Ag2012 said:
Your reading comprehension isn't great is it?
All that aside, we're pretty much a .500 club and our bullpen has blown 18 SAVES. It's not a mystery why we're struggling this year and it goes well beyond any "reversion to the mean". Y'all can yuk it up all you want about us playing for a WC spot but this is a damn good team if we can patch up our bullpen.
patch up the bullpen, like all of it
reduce the Ks, so basically swap out nearly every hitter for someone better
but yes, yall are very close to being a solid team. definitely need to make a big trade deadline move or two
reduce the Ks, so basically swap out nearly every hitter for someone better
but yes, yall are very close to being a solid team. definitely need to make a big trade deadline move or two
The K's aren't the problem. We're #3 in the AL in runs scored. And no, we don't need to replace the entire bullpen. A good closer is the difference between us being firmly on the right side of the WC bubble and struggling the stay at .500.titanmaster_race said:
patch up the bullpen, like all of it
reduce the Ks, so basically swap out nearly every hitter for someone better
but yes, yall are very close to being a solid team. definitely need to make a big trade deadline move or two
Not if those "wins for losses" were against divisional opponents. If all 8 were against the same team (not likely at all) that would be a 16 game swing in the standings.
Obviously, but that wouldn't be anywhere near a representative sample of our one run wins.agdaddy04 said:
Not if those "wins for losses" were against divisional opponents. If all 8 were against the same team (not likely at all) that would be a 16 game swing in the standings.
Ag2012 said:
Your reading comprehension isn't great is it?
Yes he completely blew by your point.
they don't understand the correlation between winning and luck.
That's a really convenient arbitrary number you chose.Ag2012 said:Incredible that y'all still cling to this tired narrative. First of all, we won the division by 9 games (11 games ahead of Houston). Swap 8 of those 1 run wins for losses and we win the division by a game with a one run game win % of 0.595, which would be lower than the Astros current one run win % (0.625). Good teams win close games. Sure we had some lucky breaks and won more one run games than we should have, we also had some unlucky breaks with injuries. That's the way baseball go.irish pete ag06 said:
36-11 in 1-run games last year.
6-14 in 1-run games this year.
But that Rangers team was different. They weren't "lucky." They just "knew how to win."
We started the year with a bunch of injuries, lost some key pieces over the offseason and our bullpen imploded, so we're having a worse season. To act like our one run record last season has any bearing on this season is a stretch at best.
How about referring to that convenient chart that 538 made. Your bullpen WAR last year suggested that your win% in 1-run games should have been more around the .500 mark or actually below if you use the trend line.
Which would have made you a .500ish team.
Same as the +13 mark in pythagorean win% last year. Again, .500.
Just like you are this year.
We tried to warn you guys. We tried. And the ones in here discussing it. I commend you. 80% of the posters that laughed at all my pythagorean gobbledy gook are completely AWOL.
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