***** Official 2017 TEX vs HOU Trash Talking Thread *****

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gigem1223
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 7:49p, 6/15/17
aggie1906 said:
Here is a simple question.

Who would you rather have? (Only listing young core players, listed by OPS, over .700 only)
Gallo or Altuve
Mazara or Springer
Andrus or Correa
DeShields or Bregman

Looks like clean sweep for Houston.


This doesn't even make sense, which makes sense coming from you. You're comparing players at different positions.

If I were to rank them today:

Altuve
Correa
Springer
Mazara
Andrus
Odor
Gallo
Bregman
Deshields

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7:53p, 6/15/17
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No denying the Astros have a lot of young talent. My point was that to say the Rangers need a complete rebuild is an over exaggeration
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In reply to gigem1223 • 7:55p, 6/15/17
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gigem1223 said:
aggie1906 said:
Here is a simple question.

Who would you rather have? (Only listing young core players, listed by OPS, over .700 only)
Gallo or Altuve
Mazara or Springer
Andrus or Correa
DeShields or Bregman

Looks like clean sweep for Houston.


This doesn't even make sense, which makes sense coming from you. You're comparing players at different positions.

If I were to rank them today:

Altuve
Correa
Springer
Mazara
Andrus
Odor
Gallo
Bregman
Deshields


If it wasn't for the one game against the Astros this chump would be under the Medoza line.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 7:59p, 6/15/17
Ag_07 said:
gigem1223 said:
aggie1906 said:
Here is a simple question.

Who would you rather have? (Only listing young core players, listed by OPS, over .700 only)
Gallo or Altuve
Mazara or Springer
Andrus or Correa
DeShields or Bregman

Looks like clean sweep for Houston.


This doesn't even make sense, which makes sense coming from you. You're comparing players at different positions.

If I were to rank them today:

Altuve
Correa
Springer
Mazara
Andrus
Odor
Gallo
Bregman
Deshields


If it wasn't for the one game against the Astros this chump would be under the Medoza line.


He was last year at this time as well and look what happened. Oh yea I forgot, the first 2 months of the season are all that matters to Stros fans.
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8:02p, 6/15/17
odor over bregman? no need to rebuild?


I hope the rangers front office thinks like you do!
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In reply to titanmaster_race • 8:06p, 6/15/17
titanmaster_race said:
odor over bregman? no need to rebuild?


I hope the rangers front office thinks like you do!


Are you kidding? Please tell me what Bregman has done to be ranked over Odor.
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8:07p, 6/15/17
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The Astros want the Rangers to rebuild so they close the gap in that overall record
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In reply to gigem1223 • 8:08p, 6/15/17
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gigem1223 said:
aggie1906 said:
Here is a simple question.

Who would you rather have? (Only listing young core players, listed by OPS, over .700 only)
Gallo or Altuve
Mazara or Springer
Andrus or Correa
DeShields or Bregman

Looks like clean sweep for Houston.


This doesn't even make sense, which makes sense coming from you. You're comparing players at different positions.

If I were to rank them today:

Altuve
Correa
Springer
Mazara
Andrus
Odor
Gallo
Bregman
Deshields



Even with your obvious bias you know the top 3 are the top 3 and head and shoulders above your core of average.
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In reply to Mr Gigem • 8:09p, 6/15/17
They're gonna **** when they resign Darvish and land Otani.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 8:16p, 6/15/17
aggie1906 said:
gigem1223 said:
aggie1906 said:
Here is a simple question.

Who would you rather have? (Only listing young core players, listed by OPS, over .700 only)
Gallo or Altuve
Mazara or Springer
Andrus or Correa
DeShields or Bregman

Looks like clean sweep for Houston.


This doesn't even make sense, which makes sense coming from you. You're comparing players at different positions.

If I were to rank them today:

Altuve
Correa
Springer
Mazara
Andrus
Odor
Gallo
Bregman
Deshields



Even with your obvious bias you know the top 3 are the top 3 and head and shoulders above your core of average.


I'll give you Altuve and Correa. However, eventhough springer has played a lot longer, Mazara and Springer are not far apart.

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8:24p, 6/15/17
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Maybe. I like Mazara.

Keep in mind Springer's career OPS is higher than your future HOF 3rd baseman's career OPS. He's just now entering his prime.
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8:45p, 6/15/17
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Does Frisco not have a helmet that fits Napoli? Looks like him and Gomez will be back soon. That is good news for the Stros.
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8:50p, 6/15/17
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The commercial for Frisco had a Rougned Odor giveaway. Did they say it was a bobblehead or bobbleHAND? Not sure which Rougned it is for.
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In reply to 3B Paul 97 • 9:10p, 6/15/17
3B Paul 97 said:
Does Frisco not have a helmet that fits Napoli? Looks like him and Gomez will be back soon. That is good news for the Stros.


Gomez>>>> Hoying and a better defensive outfielder than anyone on the Astros roster.

Napoli can stay his ass in Frisco.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 9:10p, 6/15/17
gigem1223 said:
titanmaster_race said:
odor over bregman? no need to rebuild?


I hope the rangers front office thinks like you do!


Are you kidding? Please tell me what Bregman has done to be ranked over Odor.


well for one thing, he's a plus defender instead of a liability in the infield


but I also missed the "as of today" qualifier. Of course odor has done more than a guy who is at the 1 composite season in the league mark.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 9:13p, 6/15/17
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gigem1223 said:
3B Paul 97 said:
Does Frisco not have a helmet that fits Napoli? Looks like him and Gomez will be back soon. That is good news for the Stros.


Gomez>>>> Hoying and a better defensive outfielder than anyone on the Astros roster.

Napoli can stay his ass in Frisco.


Wtf are you smoking? Springer and Marisnick are both better than him defensively.
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In reply to Mr Gigem • 9:14p, 6/15/17
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AccidentProne said:
The Astros want the Rangers to rebuild so they close the gap in that overall record


I'm well on the record in saying I don't want a rebuild. I want a "go for it" mentality every year for the next 5 years, minimum.
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In reply to ClickClack • 9:15p, 6/15/17
ClickClack said:
gigem1223 said:
3B Paul 97 said:
Does Frisco not have a helmet that fits Napoli? Looks like him and Gomez will be back soon. That is good news for the Stros.


Gomez>>>> Hoying and a better defensive outfielder than anyone on the Astros roster.

Napoli can stay his ass in Frisco.


Wtf are you smoking? Springer and Marisnick are both better than him defensively.


That's cute. Wake me up when they win a gold glove
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In reply to gigem1223 • 9:15p, 6/15/17
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Gomez a better outfielder than Springer? Or Marisnick? Collin McHugh would disagree as do I.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 9:17p, 6/15/17
AG
gigem1223 said:
3B Paul 97 said:
Does Frisco not have a helmet that fits Napoli? Looks like him and Gomez will be back soon. That is good news for the Stros.


Gomez>>>> Hoying and a better defensive outfielder than anyone on the Astros roster.

Napoli can stay his ass in Frisco.


Gomez is a slightly above average defender. Slightly.

jake Marisnik is 2x the defender.
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In reply to titanmaster_race • 9:20p, 6/15/17
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titanmaster_race said:
gigem1223 said:
titanmaster_race said:
odor over bregman? no need to rebuild?


I hope the rangers front office thinks like you do!


Are you kidding? Please tell me what Bregman has done to be ranked over Odor.


well for one thing, he's a plus defender instead of a liability in the infield


but I also missed the "as of today" qualifier. Of course odor has done more than a guy who is at the 1 composite season in the league mark.


So Astros fans can use the experience excuse when comparing Odor/Bregman, but Rangers can't use it for Gallo/Springer? Cool.
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9:21p, 6/15/17
Gomez in his prime? that's a solid argument

Gomez today?


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9:24p, 6/15/17
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I'll play.

Altuve
Correa

Springer

Mazara
Gallo
Bregman
Andrus
Odor
De shields
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9:25p, 6/15/17
Delino Deshields has a higher dWar than Springer this year
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In reply to Mr Gigem • 9:26p, 6/15/17
has odor done more than bregman? yes

would I take odor over bregman? hell no
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 9:26p, 6/15/17
irish pete ag06 said:
I'll play.

Altuve
Correa

Springer

Mazara
Gallo
Bregman
Andrus
Odor
De shields


Bregman over Andrus and Odor?! Nice troll.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 9:26p, 6/15/17
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gigem1223 said:
Delino Deshields has a higher dWar than Springer this year


This is going to sound convenient but I DGAF. Fangraphs defensive metrics do not account for the shift. So they're basically garbage. FieldF/X is not public yet, but it tells a true story.
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 9:28p, 6/15/17
irish pete ag06 said:
gigem1223 said:
Delino Deshields has a higher dWar than Springer this year


This is going to sound convenient but I DGAF. Fangraphs defensive metrics do not account for the shift. So they're basically garbage. FieldF/X is not public yet, but it tells a true story.



Lmao you guys are delusional. Only want to use sabermetrics when they fit your narrative.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 9:31p, 6/15/17
gigem1223 said:
irish pete ag06 said:
gigem1223 said:
Delino Deshields has a higher dWar than Springer this year


This is going to sound convenient but I DGAF. Fangraphs defensive metrics do not account for the shift. So they're basically garbage. FieldF/X is not public yet, but it tells a true story.



Lmao you guys are delusional. Only want to use sabermetrics when they fit your narrative.


I thought they were all made up stats anyway, right?
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9:33p, 6/15/17
Checkin out for the night.

Altuve
Correa

Springer
Mazara

Andrus

Gallo
Odor

Bregman
Deshields
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In reply to gigem1223 • 9:36p, 6/15/17
AG
gigem1223 said:
irish pete ag06 said:
I'll play.

Altuve
Correa

Springer

Mazara
Gallo
Bregman
Andrus
Odor
De shields


Bregman over Andrus and Odor?! Nice troll.


Not a troll. Bregman has the offense to easily outhit Andrus. Bregman has a .276 BABIP and Andrus has a .336 BABIP. Bregman will end the season with a higher WRC+.

Odor hit 33 homers to a 106 wRC+ because he's absolutely allergic to a walk with god awl*** defense on top.. He'll always be overrated and I couldn't be happier he'll likely be the Rangers 2nd baseman for a long time.
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9:39p, 6/15/17
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Here's how awesome Fangraphs defensive metrics are. Who's a better defender... quick don't look! Is it Altuve or Odor?
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 9:46p, 6/15/17
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Comparing Altuve and Odor is stupid, and isn't exactly a fair comparison One is a batting champ, all-star, and gold glove winner. The other simply isn't, and will probably only be 1 of those 3.

In no world is anyone seriously saying Odor is better than Altuve
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9:50p, 6/15/17
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Lol at Bregman over Andrus. Elvis was an all star at 21, Bregman is 23 and still figuring out the big leagues.
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In reply to bigcat22 • 10:08p, 6/15/17
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bigcat22 said:
Lol at Bregman over Andrus. Elvis was an all star at 21, Bregman is 23 and still figuring out the big leagues.
All Star at 21 huh? WTF happened then?

Career wRC+
Bregs 104
Elvis 87

Career OPS
Bregs .755
Elvis .697

Hard Contact
Bregs 31.4%
Elvis 23.8%

Obviously, we're looking at less than 500 plate appearances for Bregman, but there is no reason to believe he won't keep improving. Elvis is in his 9th year. He went from below average player to above average player, but he'll never be more than just that.
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