***** Official 2017 TEX vs HOU Trash Talking Thread *****

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CorpsAg11
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In reply to Quincey P. Morris • 12:21p, 6/15/17
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Lucky #007 said:
Yep Elvis and DeLino are just awful with their .289 and .292 batting averages.

Lol at people who think batting avg is still a relevant stat.

Your "young core" guys Deshields and Andrus both have career OPS < .700... Our 9-hole hitter (Aoki) has a career OPS of .735 and we may send him down to make room for Fisher...

I think you might want to build your core around guys more in the .800 - .900 OPS range, ya damn lightweight!
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12:22p, 6/15/17
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By all means build a team around Elvis and DDJ. Dude's look like future cornerstones of a .500 franchise.
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In reply to CorpsAg11 • 12:25p, 6/15/17
don't go all stupid on me here. Batting average is and will always be a relevant stat. you just can't consider it decoupled from OPS if you want a more complete picture of how a player performs at the plate
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In reply to titanmaster_race • 12:29p, 6/15/17
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don't go all stupid on me here. Batting average is and will always be a relevant stat. you just can't consider it decoupled from OPS if you want a more complete picture of how a player performs at the plate

When "casuals" try to quote batting avg to prove a players worth...

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12:45p, 6/15/17
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Rangers broadcasters have just begun teaching their viewers about OPS and WHIP

We should give viewers some time to understand these complicated stats and what they mean
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In reply to CorpsAg11 • 1:00p, 6/15/17
CorpsAg11 said:
Lucky #007 said:
Yep Elvis and DeLino are just awful with their .289 and .292 batting averages.


I think you might want to build your core around guys more in the .800 - .900 OPS range, ya damn lightweight!


You mean like Gallo and Mazara? Also, to totally discount batting average is ignorant.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 1:04p, 6/15/17
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Ok, then. Gallo is batting .201
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 1:09p, 6/15/17
Pick a side buddy. He's also got 17 homeruns and 38 RBIs.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 1:14p, 6/15/17
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gigem1223 said:
CorpsAg11 said:
Lucky #007 said:
Yep Elvis and DeLino are just awful with their .289 and .292 batting averages.


I think you might want to build your core around guys more in the .800 - .900 OPS range, ya damn lightweight!


You mean like Gallo and Mazara? Also, to totally discount batting average is ignorant.
I already said Mazara was good, he's just not enough.

As for Gallo... his career OPS is .755, with a career WAA (wins above avg) of 0.2... His entire career amounts to 0.2 wins better than the avg MLBer!!! What a core!!
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1:16p, 6/15/17
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Gallo = left handed Chris Carter that can passably play 3rd.
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 1:19p, 6/15/17
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irish pete ag06 said:
Gallo = left handed Chris Carter that can passably play 3rd.
Honestly Chris Carter might've played a better 3B than Gallo if given the chance. Very accurate comparison.
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In reply to CorpsAg11 • 1:20p, 6/15/17
CorpsAg11 said:
gigem1223 said:
CorpsAg11 said:
Lucky #007 said:
Yep Elvis and DeLino are just awful with their .289 and .292 batting averages.


I think you might want to build your core around guys more in the .800 - .900 OPS range, ya damn lightweight!


You mean like Gallo and Mazara? Also, to totally discount batting average is ignorant.
I already said Mazara was good, he's just not enough.

As for Gallo... his career OPS is .755, with a career WAA (wins above avg) of 0.2... His entire career amounts to 0.2 wins better than the avg MLBer!!! What a core!!


He's 22 years old and hasn't even had a full season of playing time....
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In reply to gigem1223 • 1:28p, 6/15/17
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He's 22 years old and hasn't even had a full season of playing time....

Yeah...Because he keeps getting sent down to AAA.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 1:46p, 6/15/17
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Largely a result of his natural position being manned by a hall of famer and his backup position being handled by a gold glove first baseman until this year.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 1:47p, 6/15/17
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gigem1223 said:
Pick a side buddy. He's also got 17 homeruns and 38 RBIs.
Here's both sides for ya: George Springer hitting .277/18 homeruns/43 RBIs/.886 OPS
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In reply to Ag_07 • 1:49p, 6/15/17
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He's 22 years old and hasn't even had a full season of playing time....

Yeah...Because he keeps getting sent down to AAA.


Well when you have a future first ballot HOFer playing your primary position. I don't know why I'm even arguing this. You're obviously trolling.
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In reply to Quincey P. Morris • 1:50p, 6/15/17
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The AL has a position called a DH. They don't play the field and do nothing but hit for the pitcher

If he was good enough on offense they would've found a spot for him. But he's not so they didn't.

And don't act like he wasn't sent down to AAA to work on his K rate. I know you're not that dumb.
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In reply to TrillOBrien • 1:50p, 6/15/17
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Springer is also 4 years older...
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In reply to TrillOBrien • 1:52p, 6/15/17
TrillOBrien said:
gigem1223 said:
Pick a side buddy. He's also got 17 homeruns and 38 RBIs.
Here's both sides for ya: George Springer hitting .277/18 homeruns/43 RBIs/.886 OPS


In his 4th season...

His first season he batted .231, .804 OPS, 20 HRs, 51 RBIs.



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In reply to Ag_07 • 1:56p, 6/15/17
Ag_07 said:
The AL has a position called a DH. They don't play the field and do nothing but hit for the pitcher

If he was good enough on offense they would've found a spot for him. But he's not so they didn't.

And don't act like he wasn't sent down to AAA to work on his K rate. I know you're not that dumb.


He's always going to have a high K rate. The difference this season is he is consistently putting together quality at bats, walking a ton and hitting for power. He will not be sent back down.
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In reply to bigcat22 • 1:57p, 6/15/17
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bigcat22 said:
Springer is also 4 years older...
The user I was replying to was justifying a terrible BA as long as you have a nice number of home runs and RBIs. My point is that we have players doing well in every category across the board and Gallo's #'s, no matter how old he is, aren't as extraordinary as you may think
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In reply to Ag_07 • 1:57p, 6/15/17
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That was certainly part of it but having your natural path blocked handily on the big league club was as well. And nobody's acting like he's clearly going to be some high average hitter but again, you guys act like most of the team is dogs*** and it's moronic.
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In reply to TrillOBrien • 1:59p, 6/15/17
Lol you're trying compare a player that been in the league for 4 years to a player that doesn't even have a full season under his belt. If you look at their first year numbers, they're pretty similar.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 2:01p, 6/15/17
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gigem1223 said:
Lol you're trying compare a player that been in the league for 4 years to a player that doesn't even have a full season under his belt. If you look at their first year numbers, they're pretty similar.
I'm not denying Gallo's talent. He's definitely got potential and he's certainly a guy your team should build around. Let's just leave it at that
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In reply to TrillOBrien • 2:01p, 6/15/17
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TrillOBrien said:
gigem1223 said:
Pick a side buddy. He's also got 17 homeruns and 38 RBIs.
Here's both sides for ya: George Springer hitting .277/18 homeruns/43 RBIs/.886 OPS
43 RBIs.... from the leadoff spot!
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In reply to TrillOBrien • 2:02p, 6/15/17
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Another new name! Welcome to the season that started over two months ago.
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In reply to CorpsAg11 • 2:03p, 6/15/17
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TrillOBrien said:
gigem1223 said:
Pick a side buddy. He's also got 17 homeruns and 38 RBIs.
Here's both sides for ya: George Springer hitting .277/18 homeruns/43 RBIs/.886 OPS
43 RBIs.... from the leadoff spot!


And Gallo has 38 from the bottom of the order....but he's dog **** right?
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In reply to gigem1223 • 2:05p, 6/15/17
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gigem1223 said:
CorpsAg11 said:
TrillOBrien said:
gigem1223 said:
Pick a side buddy. He's also got 17 homeruns and 38 RBIs.
Here's both sides for ya: George Springer hitting .277/18 homeruns/43 RBIs/.886 OPS
43 RBIs.... from the leadoff spot!


And Gallo has 38 from the bottom of the order....but he's dog **** right?
Why is he down there, he's yalls 2nd best hitter? Or 3rd when Beltre healthy..

Nevermind that he wouldn't even make the Astros roster...
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In reply to Mr Gigem • 2:06p, 6/15/17
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AccidentProne said:
Another new name! Welcome to the season that started over two months ago.
Same guy you were hot and bothered over yesterday, buddy. Admin was kind enough to change my username. But please...continue to get offended over the little things that have nothing to do with you
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In reply to CorpsAg11 • 2:09p, 6/15/17
CorpsAg11 said:
gigem1223 said:
CorpsAg11 said:
TrillOBrien said:
gigem1223 said:
Pick a side buddy. He's also got 17 homeruns and 38 RBIs.
Here's both sides for ya: George Springer hitting .277/18 homeruns/43 RBIs/.886 OPS
43 RBIs.... from the leadoff spot!


And Gallo has 38 from the bottom of the order....but he's dog **** right?
Why is he down there, he's yalls 2nd best hitter? Or 3rd when Beltre healthy..

Nevermind that he wouldn't even make the Astros roster...


Where did I say any of that?

He's down there because he's pretty much a rook and we have guys with more experience, that have proven track records above him. Are you really that dense?
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In reply to Quincey P. Morris • 2:12p, 6/15/17
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Lucky #007 said:
That was certainly part of it but having your natural path blocked handily on the big league club was as well.

That was all of it. He wasn't blocked. Good players don't get blocked. Their teams find a spot for them

Who was DHing when Gallo was bouncing in and out of the majors?

He kept getting chances and couldn't get his ish together.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:30p, 6/15/17
I don't think anyone is denying that he wasn't ready last season. Really not sure what kind of point you're trying to make?
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In reply to gigem1223 • 2:38p, 6/15/17
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I'm saying that Gallo has bounced up and down because he isn't that good.

It's not because his position was taken by a HOFer and a Gold Glover.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:48p, 6/15/17
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He bounced up and down because the Rangers had Beltre, Moreland, and Fielder in front of him and they wanted him to stay in the minors to get every day at-bats. When Prince retired is when he was sent up for an extended period
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6:58p, 6/15/17
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Here is a simple question.

Who would you rather have? (Only listing young core players, listed by OPS, over .700 only)
Gallo or Altuve
Mazara or Springer
Andrus or Correa
DeShields or Bregman

Looks like clean sweep for Houston.
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