Lucky #007 said:

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You talk like anybody has said there's no such thing as a rebuild. All anyone has actually said is that you don't have to suck as bad as you guys did for as long to do it. That's it.

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Who gives a phock how many games you lose when you're rebuilding anyway. Wow, we only averaged 94.3 losses per year during our rebuild to you guys 103.6. #pwned

What obsession? Acting like the guy is some spare was idiotic.

And the only reason you boys want to ignore past performance is because you have none to really talk about at this point.

Edit: I decided not to get banned. It was an Odor being gay joke...

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And the only reason you boys want to ignore past performance is because you have none to really talk about at this point.

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Oh brother, this precious little canard again. Prior to 2010 the Astros clearly had more history to talk about. You would have to be ******ed to argue otherwise.

The Rangers have recent history (from 2010 till last year). That's about it.

Based on recent history which is the most relevant to these two teams and this thread. Neither team has exactly set the world on fire over the life of their franchises.

free_mhayden said:

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"If I continually say the Rangers window of being good is about to close, eventually I'll be right."

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haha

ClickClack said:

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free_mhayden said:

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"If I continually say the Rangers window of being good is about to close, eventually I'll be right."

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haha

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pretty rich coming from him

A good front office doesn't let that window close, and that's what the Rangers have.

Good front offices win championships.

We both need to STFU

aggie1906 said:

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free_mhayden said:

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Eeyore Smooth said:

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AccidentProne said:

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A good front office doesn't let that window close, and that's what the Rangers have.

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Just like Astros fans were saying in 2006.

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Except of course the architect of the Astros success is now four GMs removed.


Protip #1: Good front offices don't have four different GMs in 5 years.

Protip #2: Good front offices don't have 8 different managers in 9 years.

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Are you suggesting even though the team was sold, the front office should have stayed the same?

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If the GM is worth his salt, then why wouldn't he be kept on?

free_mhayden said:

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aggie1906 said:

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free_mhayden said:

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Eeyore Smooth said:

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AccidentProne said:

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A good front office doesn't let that window close, and that's what the Rangers have.

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Just like Astros fans were saying in 2006.

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Except of course the architect of the Astros success is now four GMs removed.


Protip #1: Good front offices don't have four different GMs in 5 years.

Protip #2: Good front offices don't have 8 different managers in 9 years.

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Are you suggesting even though the team was sold, the front office should have stayed the same?

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If the GM is worth his salt, then why wouldn't he be kept on?

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Exhibit A: Jon Daniels

free_mhayden said:

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aggie1906 said:

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free_mhayden said:

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Eeyore Smooth said:

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AccidentProne said:

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A good front office doesn't let that window close, and that's what the Rangers have.

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Just like Astros fans were saying in 2006.

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Except of course the architect of the Astros success is now four GMs removed.


Protip #1: Good front offices don't have four different GMs in 5 years.

Protip #2: Good front offices don't have 8 different managers in 9 years.

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Are you suggesting even though the team was sold, the front office should have stayed the same?

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If the GM is worth his salt, then why wouldn't he be kept on?

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So the front office is just the GM?

AccidentProne said:

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free_mhayden said:

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aggie1906 said:

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free_mhayden said:

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Eeyore Smooth said:

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AccidentProne said:

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A good front office doesn't let that window close, and that's what the Rangers have.

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Just like Astros fans were saying in 2006.

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Except of course the architect of the Astros success is now four GMs removed.


Protip #1: Good front offices don't have four different GMs in 5 years.

Protip #2: Good front offices don't have 8 different managers in 9 years.

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Are you suggesting even though the team was sold, the front office should have stayed the same?

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If the GM is worth his salt, then why wouldn't he be kept on?

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Exhibit A: Jon Daniels

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Judas Priest man. The Rangers were sold in 2010 when they won the West for the first time since foreever. If the Astros had won the Central in 2011, I'm sure Ed Wade would have been retained. Plus I hated ed wade so talking crap about him being a GM does not compute.

We'll see how patient the front office is with Daniels once the rebuild happens.

What will ya'll send Dyson to the DL for this time?

How's y'all's bullpen holding up tonight?

What did I say earlier? Yall are blithering on like it's the offense. I told you it was all bullpen.

That's true

Silent For Too Long said:

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You are simply delusional if you think the Rangers are going to magically avoid some rebuilding years.

If the Yankees, the richest and most successful franchise in baseball couldn't do it, historically bottom dweller Rangers won't do it.

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Will they have years of rebuilding? Absolutely. But this idea that they've got this "window" of being a postseason team and they are in trouble when it closes has been proven false time and time again.

Everyone said it would happen after Cliff Lee left. They returned to the postseason.

Everyone said it would happen when Feliz and Cruz pissed away a WS. They returned to the postseason.

Everyone said it would happen when Los Angles signed Pujols/Hamilton. They returned to the postseason.

Everyone said it would happen when Prince Fielder's contract was set to hang like an albatross. They returned to the postseason.

Hell, Houston fans of all people should have learned their lesson about counting Texas out... "Come and Get It"... And they did... Again.


I realize it's a foreign concept to Houston fans as they had to literally have one of the worst 4 year stints in the history of Major League Baseball in order to become competitive (and thus far in 2 years it's netted them 1 wildcard and one watching playoffs from home), but if you have a decent farm system, a sharp GM, and owners willing to spend money then you can stay competitive for a very long time and your rebuilds are very short.

Maybe Hamels is completely broken. Maybe Beltre has played his last meaningful out. Maybe Yu walks.

But this team has averaged 88 wins the last 8 seasons and they are about to build a new stadium (read: selling new season tickets) with two big money guys behind it that aren't afraid to spend money on the roster. Good luck betting on this team not to be competitive, you'll continue to look silly.

free_mhayden said:

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Silent For Too Long said:

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You are simply delusional if you think the Rangers are going to magically avoid some rebuilding years.

If the Yankees, the richest and most successful franchise in baseball couldn't do it, historically bottom dweller Rangers won't do it.

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Will they have years of rebuilding? Absolutely. But this idea that they've got this "window" of being a postseason team and they are in trouble when it closes has been proven false time and time again.

Everyone said it would happen after Cliff Lee left. They returned to the postseason.

Everyone said it would happen when Feliz and Cruz pissed away a WS. They returned to the postseason.

Everyone said it would happen when Los Angles signed Pujols/Hamilton. They returned to the postseason.

Everyone said it would happen when Prince Fielder's contract was set to hang like an albatross. They returned to the postseason.

Hell, Houston fans of all people should have learned their lesson about counting Texas out... "Come and Get It"... And they did... Again.


I realize it's a foreign concept to Houston fans as they had to literally have one of the worst 4 year stints in the history of Major League Baseball in order to become competitive (and thus far in 2 years it's netted them 1 wildcard and one watching playoffs from home), but if you have a decent farm system, a sharp GM, and owners willing to spend money then you can stay competitive for a very long time and your rebuilds are very short.

Maybe Hamels is completely broken. Maybe Beltre has played his last meaningful out. Maybe Yu walks.

But this team has averaged 88 wins the last 8 seasons and they are about to build a new stadium (read: selling new season tickets) with two big money guys behind it that aren't afraid to spend money on the roster. Good luck betting on this team not to be competitive, you'll continue to look silly.

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Ok then. Have fun competing.

We'll be over here winning.