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Then in 80's sitting through a 22 inning game against these Dodgers.
I definitely think there is some concern but if anyone can adapt to it, I trust in Verlander.ClickClack said:
So should we be worried about a "slick" world series ball affecting Verlander's ability to throw an effective slider?
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Said Houston pitcher Justin Verlander, "The World Series ball is slicker. No doubt. I'm telling you, we're in here signing [World Series] balls before the game, and it's hard to get the ink on the ball sometimes. You know when you sign a receipt at Starbucks, and if you don't hold the paper down with your hand, the pen just slides across the paper and the ink doesn't stick to it? That's what it's like sometimes trying to sign these balls. That's how slick the leather is.
"It's different. I noticed it especially throwing a slider. It didn't feel the same. The home run I gave up to [Joc] Pederson was a slider."
Verlander threw 17 sliders in Game 2 and obtained only one swing and miss on the pitch. It equaled the fewest swings and misses on his slider for any of his 36 starts this year of more than two innings.
To the pit of misery! Dilly Dilly!ClickClack said:75AG said:I love Bobby Dynamite! I love Orbit. I loved Chester Charge! I loved those astronaut grounds keepers! And the usherettes with Astrodome-looking hats! I just think the train is cheesy.astros4545 said:75AG said:Like the stupid train. I was hoping Crane would junk that toy.jkag89 said:Both the flag pole in play and the silly hill were features found in old long gone parks. Of course these features in the old parks were due to the fact of fitting a park into available space while putting them into MM was just gimmicky.Farmer1906 said:Yes, there was a hill with a flag in play. It was a stupid 436.CT75 said:
ECSwitching gears a bit....I have followed this franchise since their inception in '62; however, lost touch some when MMP was first opened. Questions:
1) wasn't there a hill or some weird built in anomaly in deep center when the park first opened?
2) when was it removed and why?
It was removed this year because they wanted to fix it up (more rev) and get rid of that stupid deep center that was hurting the team.
**** you
What do you have against Bobby Dynamite?!?!?!?
That guy has worked for this just as hard as all the players
I think you're cheesy and we should get rid of you.
Can I be your friend?k20dub said:
Finally caught up on this thread.
Went to the game last night with my dad. Like everyone else has already said...best game I've ever seen. I was also at the super bowl with my dad in February and was on the field for Bama game in 2012. This tops them all. One more baby
saltydog09 said:HossAg said:
Anyone know what Alex Bergman dips?
Copenhagen Long Cut. The only choice
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No pitcher is having a worse time with his slider lately than Houston closer Ken Giles. During the regular season, Giles threw his slider 47 percent of the time and held hitters to a .133 batting average with it. But the pitch has been so unreliable in the postseason that Giles threw only two sliders among his eight pitches in Game 4 both of them balls. Entering a 1-1 game to start the ninth inning, Giles faced three batters and retired none of them. He was charged with three runs and the loss.
During the regular season Giles threw his slider out of the strike zone 51 percent of the time. In the postseason he has missed with that pitch a whopping 74 percent of the time, including 75 percent in the World Series (9 of 12). Able to eliminate the slider, Dodgers hitters are sitting on his fastball and teeing off on it. They are hitting .800 against his fastball (4-for-5), with all of those hits coming on hitters' counts or first pitches (2-1, 3-1, 1-0 and 0-0).
Game 4 actually was a 1-0 pitchers' duel through six innings between Morton and Alex Wood. Neither pitcher throws a slider.
100% this. Giles is your typical 2 pitch closer who uses the slider as a pitch that makes his fastball play up. You take away his slider and he's just another 99 mph flat fastball guy.Revival03 said:
The slick balls could also explain why Giles has been terrible. /ducks in corner awaiting an onslaughtQuote:
No pitcher is having a worse time with his slider lately than Houston closer Ken Giles. During the regular season, Giles threw his slider 47 percent of the time and held hitters to a .133 batting average with it. But the pitch has been so unreliable in the postseason that Giles threw only two sliders among his eight pitches in Game 4 both of them balls. Entering a 1-1 game to start the ninth inning, Giles faced three batters and retired none of them. He was charged with three runs and the loss.
During the regular season Giles threw his slider out of the strike zone 51 percent of the time. In the postseason he has missed with that pitch a whopping 74 percent of the time, including 75 percent in the World Series (9 of 12). Able to eliminate the slider, Dodgers hitters are sitting on his fastball and teeing off on it. They are hitting .800 against his fastball (4-for-5), with all of those hits coming on hitters' counts or first pitches (2-1, 3-1, 1-0 and 0-0).
Game 4 actually was a 1-0 pitchers' duel through six innings between Morton and Alex Wood. Neither pitcher throws a slider.
Like your future closer Lance McCullers!irish pete ag06 said:100% this. Giles is your typical 2 pitch closer who uses the slider as a pitch that makes his fastball play up. You take away his slider and he's just another 99 mph flat fastball guy.Revival03 said:
The slick balls could also explain why Giles has been terrible. /ducks in corner awaiting an onslaughtQuote:
No pitcher is having a worse time with his slider lately than Houston closer Ken Giles. During the regular season, Giles threw his slider 47 percent of the time and held hitters to a .133 batting average with it. But the pitch has been so unreliable in the postseason that Giles threw only two sliders among his eight pitches in Game 4 both of them balls. Entering a 1-1 game to start the ninth inning, Giles faced three batters and retired none of them. He was charged with three runs and the loss.
During the regular season Giles threw his slider out of the strike zone 51 percent of the time. In the postseason he has missed with that pitch a whopping 74 percent of the time, including 75 percent in the World Series (9 of 12). Able to eliminate the slider, Dodgers hitters are sitting on his fastball and teeing off on it. They are hitting .800 against his fastball (4-for-5), with all of those hits coming on hitters' counts or first pitches (2-1, 3-1, 1-0 and 0-0).
Game 4 actually was a 1-0 pitchers' duel through six innings between Morton and Alex Wood. Neither pitcher throws a slider.
Which is why I technically prefer closers who throw moving fastballs, but it's whatever.
Exactly! Giles's slider is his out pitch, his fastball is his show pitch. 100 mph a nice show pitch to have, but it's not how he gets batters out.Ecce Homo said:
Also, people need to realize that a 98 mph fastball just isn't that impressive anymore. I mean you see that game in and game out; if Verlander or Morton are pitching you're seeing a 98 mph pitch in the 7th inning with inches of lateral movement. Giles' 99 straight down the pipe looks like a meatball.
Drew_Hill said:
So our 4th starter on short rest would be the starting pitcher for Game 7? That doesn't sound fun.
3 days for Morton and 2 for Keuchel/Peacock.WelchAg said:Drew_Hill said:
So our 4th starter on short rest would be the starting pitcher for Game 7? That doesn't sound fun.
4 days rest isn't super worriesome. Then you have Keuchel and peacock on 3 days rest as well
Actually it's weird; the money line for the game is only about -120 for Tuesday. It would seem it's just the difficulty of winning two in a row with Kershaw gone.TXAG14 said:
Holy hell! That has to be all Verlander.
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...that's 4 days rest for Morton. Others are 1 behind him.Drew_Hill said:3 days for Morton and 2 for Keuchel/Peacock.WelchAg said:Drew_Hill said:
So our 4th starter on short rest would be the starting pitcher for Game 7? That doesn't sound fun.
4 days rest isn't super worriesome. Then you have Keuchel and peacock on 3 days rest as well
How is he resting on Wednesday if he is pitching on Wednesday?WelchAg said:Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...that's 4 days rest for Morton. Others are 1 behind him.Drew_Hill said:3 days for Morton and 2 for Keuchel/Peacock.WelchAg said:Drew_Hill said:
So our 4th starter on short rest would be the starting pitcher for Game 7? That doesn't sound fun.
4 days rest isn't super worriesome. Then you have Keuchel and peacock on 3 days rest as well
He isn't pitching in the morning. He is technically getting 3 days and 22 hours of rest. Can somebody sanity check me? Starting to make me question myself lolDrew_Hill said:How is he resting on Wednesday if he is pitching on Wednesday?WelchAg said:Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...that's 4 days rest for Morton. Others are 1 behind him.Drew_Hill said:3 days for Morton and 2 for Keuchel/Peacock.WelchAg said:Drew_Hill said:
So our 4th starter on short rest would be the starting pitcher for Game 7? That doesn't sound fun.
4 days rest isn't super worriesome. Then you have Keuchel and peacock on 3 days rest as well
ClickClack said:
MGM has Astros -330 Dodgers +260
Ha ok. In baseball if you pitch on Saturday and then on Wednesday it is considered 3 days rest which is short rest. Its pretty simple.WelchAg said:He isn't pitching in the morning. He is technically getting 3 days and 22 hours of rest.Drew_Hill said:How is he resting on Wednesday if he is pitching on Wednesday?WelchAg said:Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...that's 4 days rest for Morton. Others are 1 behind him.Drew_Hill said:3 days for Morton and 2 for Keuchel/Peacock.WelchAg said:Drew_Hill said:
So our 4th starter on short rest would be the starting pitcher for Game 7? That doesn't sound fun.
4 days rest isn't super worriesome. Then you have Keuchel and peacock on 3 days rest as well
75AG said:Been a 'stros fan since the '45's. You can't get rid of me. But the train is still cheesy. But ****mthe train discusssion. We win this thing tomorrow night!!!ClickClack said:75AG said:I love Bobby Dynamite! I love Orbit. I loved Chester Charge! I loved those astronaut grounds keepers! And the usherettes with Astrodome-looking hats! I just think the train is cheesy.astros4545 said:75AG said:Like the stupid train. I was hoping Crane would junk that toy.jkag89 said:Both the flag pole in play and the silly hill were features found in old long gone parks. Of course these features in the old parks were due to the fact of fitting a park into available space while putting them into MM was just gimmicky.Farmer1906 said:Yes, there was a hill with a flag in play. It was a stupid 436.CT75 said:
EEECSwitching gears a bit....I have followed this franchise since their inception in '62; however, lost touch some when MMP was first opened. Questions:
1) wasn't there a hill or some weird built in anomaly in deep center when the park first opened?
2) when was it removed and why?
It was removed this year because they wanted to fix it up (more rev) and get rid of that stupid deep center that was hurting the team.
**** you
What do you have against Bobby Dynamite?!?!?!?
That guy has worked for this just as hard as all the players
I think you're cheesy and we should get rid of you.
I always took 3 days rest to mean we skip 2 guys in the rotation. Man following baseball my whole life and have I seriously been wrong on this???Drew_Hill said:Ha ok. In baseball if you pitch on Saturday and then on Wednesday it is considered 3 days rest which is short rest. Its pretty simple.WelchAg said:He isn't pitching in the morning. He is technically getting 3 days and 22 hours of rest.Drew_Hill said:How is he resting on Wednesday if he is pitching on Wednesday?WelchAg said:Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...that's 4 days rest for Morton. Others are 1 behind him.Drew_Hill said:3 days for Morton and 2 for Keuchel/Peacock.WelchAg said:Drew_Hill said:
So our 4th starter on short rest would be the starting pitcher for Game 7? That doesn't sound fun.
4 days rest isn't super worriesome. Then you have Keuchel and peacock on 3 days rest as well
