Also, both Choo and and Gomez seem optimistic about their injuries. With the off day today, I'd bet to see them back on Tuesday
Wow, that is all some really complicated stuff. I can see the value of it and find it really interesting, but bottom line is, "upsets" and unpredictable things happen all the time. I was reading in the Trash Talk forum and all they were talking about was advanced metrics and I thought that was a dumb argument. But it is really interesting to dive deeper into the mainstream statistics. Thanks for the info!corleoneAg99 said:AccidentProne said:Careful using that logic. If you post that on the trash talk thread, you're guaranteed to get the entire fangraphs website thrown at you.rwhitlock3 said:What does wRC stand for? I know that WAR is Wins Above Replacement, but I haven't heard that other one?corleoneAg99 said:
Thought this was a fun comparison...Rangers have three players with a wRC+ of 100 or more:
Gallo 132
Choo 110
Andrus 107
The Astros?
They have 6.
McCann 140
Correa 135
Altuve 131
Springer 124
Reddick 121
Bregman 102
So nothing earth shattering. Astros are the best team in baseball right now(combining 2nd in team wRC+ and 2nd in team xFIP) but the quartet of Maz, Odor, Gomez, and Napoli as a group have been really bad.
They can't stay that bad as a group all year right? Maz and Odor need to be on the list above. Gomez is a wildcard.
Other name missing?
Man Lucroy has been bad. And he's not this bad. Over the past three years he's been second in baseball In combined WAR. Of course Posey is first.
So far this season he's freaking 10th.
So considering the offensive performance of the everyday lineup, for them to only be two games under 500 is pretty encouraging. Even as competition ramps up beyond SD and OAK the Rangers might be due for some positive regression. Which, considering their 2016 season and the commentary around it, is pretty ironic.
I love the statistics of baseball, but these advanced metrics are getting crazy. And the Lastros fans using them as defense is just dumb, you don't play the game on paper, its played on the field and won on the field with some improbable stuff that even the most advanced metrics can't predict.
I get that ERA is still a predictive measure, but it factors only what has actually happened. It doesn't take into account flyballs, and hard hit balls, and whatever else that goes into FIP and xFIP. Anytime I see someone use those metrics, all I can think about is when the Super Bowl or some other big game is simulated by ESPN or whomever, and whatever the outcome of that simulation is then that is what is supposed to happen.
Don't get me wrong, those metrics are cool and have meaning, but I don't think they should be considered law like SOME fanbases think
Yeah I'm a Fangraphs junkie and love their stuff but even they would tell you no one thing is law. It's a culmination
When it comes to stats like ERA and why some prefer FIP and/or xFIP, it's really about attempting to isolate the pitcher's value by factoring out things they don't control...and we're basically talking about fielding, park, etc, right?
So it just depends on the point you are try to convey. If the point is purely results based, you could take wins and ERA. If you're trying to extract two guys out of their specific situations and working to compile a good fair comparison between the two, some of these metrics can help.
IMO anyway.
At this point, I think it's 1B. He cannot be any worse than the disaster that Napoli is over there. Send Nap to DH.jtstanley4621 said:
Where do y'all think Gallo's ideal spot once Beltre comes back is now?
I felt like the obvious answer initially was LF when we were getting essentially nothing out of that position, but DeShields has made himself into a pretty crucial part of what we can do on offense by continuing to get on base. At this point I definitely wouldn't sit DeShields. You also can't take Mazara out of RF. Given how Napoli has performed so far this year I feel like Gallo would make the most sense at 1B, although he doesn't have as much experience at the position as Napoli.
Yeah, I think they need to be very careful about Profar-ing him. I'd really try to limit him to 3rd and one other position.Quote:
The only question is, does all this moving around the diamond defensively mess with his mind and cause him to regress at the plate...
Yeah for sure. There's something to be said for getting to play the same position every single day. Allows you to settle into a routine. It wouldn't surprise me to hear Gallo say that that is one of the reasons why he feels like he's playing better overall this season.DannyDuberstein said:Yeah, I think they need to be very careful about Profar-ing him. I'd really try to limit him to 3rd and one other position.Quote:
The only question is, does all this moving around the diamond defensively mess with his mind and cause him to regress at the plate...
Okay, Choo?DannyDuberstein said:At this point, I think it's 1B. He cannot be any worse than the disaster that Napoli is over there. Send Nap to DH.jtstanley4621 said:
Where do y'all think Gallo's ideal spot once Beltre comes back is now?
I felt like the obvious answer initially was LF when we were getting essentially nothing out of that position, but DeShields has made himself into a pretty crucial part of what we can do on offense by continuing to get on base. At this point I definitely wouldn't sit DeShields. You also can't take Mazara out of RF. Given how Napoli has performed so far this year I feel like Gallo would make the most sense at 1B, although he doesn't have as much experience at the position as Napoli.
The sabermetric stats are only complicated in the actual calculation of them. If you just focus on the conceptual idea behind most all of them, they are basic. They are designed to better measure production and/or predict future production, than many basic stats would. And often times, they match up to what your eyes are telling you anyway when you watch a lot of games.rwhitlock3 said:Wow, that is all some really complicated stuff. I can see the value of it and find it really interesting, but bottom line is, "upsets" and unpredictable things happen all the time. I was reading in the Trash Talk forum and all they were talking about was advanced metrics and I thought that was a dumb argument. But it is really interesting to dive deeper into the mainstream statistics. Thanks for the info!corleoneAg99 said:AccidentProne said:Careful using that logic. If you post that on the trash talk thread, you're guaranteed to get the entire fangraphs website thrown at you.rwhitlock3 said:What does wRC stand for? I know that WAR is Wins Above Replacement, but I haven't heard that other one?corleoneAg99 said:
Thought this was a fun comparison...Rangers have three players with a wRC+ of 100 or more:
Gallo 132
Choo 110
Andrus 107
The Astros?
They have 6.
McCann 140
Correa 135
Altuve 131
Springer 124
Reddick 121
Bregman 102
So nothing earth shattering. Astros are the best team in baseball right now(combining 2nd in team wRC+ and 2nd in team xFIP) but the quartet of Maz, Odor, Gomez, and Napoli as a group have been really bad.
They can't stay that bad as a group all year right? Maz and Odor need to be on the list above. Gomez is a wildcard.
Other name missing?
Man Lucroy has been bad. And he's not this bad. Over the past three years he's been second in baseball In combined WAR. Of course Posey is first.
So far this season he's freaking 10th.
So considering the offensive performance of the everyday lineup, for them to only be two games under 500 is pretty encouraging. Even as competition ramps up beyond SD and OAK the Rangers might be due for some positive regression. Which, considering their 2016 season and the commentary around it, is pretty ironic.
I love the statistics of baseball, but these advanced metrics are getting crazy. And the Lastros fans using them as defense is just dumb, you don't play the game on paper, its played on the field and won on the field with some improbable stuff that even the most advanced metrics can't predict.
I get that ERA is still a predictive measure, but it factors only what has actually happened. It doesn't take into account flyballs, and hard hit balls, and whatever else that goes into FIP and xFIP. Anytime I see someone use those metrics, all I can think about is when the Super Bowl or some other big game is simulated by ESPN or whomever, and whatever the outcome of that simulation is then that is what is supposed to happen.
Don't get me wrong, those metrics are cool and have meaning, but I don't think they should be considered law like SOME fanbases think
Yeah I'm a Fangraphs junkie and love their stuff but even they would tell you no one thing is law. It's a culmination
When it comes to stats like ERA and why some prefer FIP and/or xFIP, it's really about attempting to isolate the pitcher's value by factoring out things they don't control...and we're basically talking about fielding, park, etc, right?
So it just depends on the point you are try to convey. If the point is purely results based, you could take wins and ERA. If you're trying to extract two guys out of their specific situations and working to compile a good fair comparison between the two, some of these metrics can help.
IMO anyway.
I honestly think Gallo is the future at 1Bjtstanley4621 said:
I don't think his career story is written yet, but I just don't really see where he fits on the Rangers going forward. I don't think he really wants to play outfield long-term, and it would seem like Elvis and Odor are sitting in the spots Profar most projects to for most of the foreseeable future. The only infield spot where I feel like he would make sense would be 3B, and Gallo seems to be the future at that position.
Some quick updates:Quote:
All-time GP at 3B
1. Brooks Robinson (23 years) - 2870
2. *Adrian Beltre (18 years \ age 36) - 2443
3. Graig Nettles (22 years) - 2412
Aramis Ramirez (15years \ age 37) - 2082
My guess is, if he reaches Robinson, it won't be with the Rangers?!
With 385 HRs, he is 4th among 3Bers:
1. Mike Schmidt (509)
2. Eddie Mathews (486)
3. Chipper Jones (389)
4. *Adrian Beltre (385)
5. *Aramis Ramirez (376)
I took the stats for reference and updated. He should eclipse Jones soon.
For Doubles:
Boggs (536)
*Beltre (531)
*Ramirez (481)
He should pass Boggs very soon.
RBI:
Schmidt (1474)
*Ramirez (1369)
*Beltre (1361)
DallasAg 94 said:For pitching, anything outside of ERA\WHIP and maybe k/9IP... every other stat is worthless. Eyeballs are all you need.corleoneAg99 said:AccidentProne said:rwhitlock3 said:corleoneAg99 said:
Yeah I'm a Fangraphs junkie and love their stuff but even they would tell you no one thing is law. It's a culmination
For hitting, anything outside BA, HR, SB & OBP... you don't need anything other than eyeballs.
There. I said it!
corleoneAg99 said:
1991 called and wants their opinion back.
But to each their own.
As I said, it depends on what you're trying to evaluate.
That's a killer with how dynamic he has been in the field and on the basepaths of late. Does Profar get called back up now? OR do we call up Jared Hoying or Drew Robinson?gigem1223 said:
Gomez out 4-6 weeks per ESPN
Exactly. Or another great example is Choo. You look at Choo's baseball card stats (Avg/HR/RBIs), and you think yeah, he's a solid player. But Choo's whole game is built on getting on base however, working pitchers, and knowing the strike zone. Of course, if you watch Choo play all the time, you'll know he does all those things. But take some random Mets fan who never watches him play, Advanced stats can paint the image of Choo that he's a OBP machine who hits well, better than just looking at his batting average and how many HRs he has ever could.rwhitlock3 said:
Yeah, in those terms, I can absolutely see how those advanced metrics can be used to best help predict future success. And it lets you take a more "in-depth" view on how someone is really playing. It does frustrate me when Perez has to pitch in so many high leverage situations so often. I feel like it can tax pitchers a lot. Now, it seems there are stats to back that up and provide better analysis.
Profar has been playing SS at AAA.rwhitlock3 said:That's a killer with how dynamic he has been in the field and on the basepaths of late. Does Profar get called back up now? OR do we call up Jared Hoying or Drew Robinson?gigem1223 said:
Gomez out 4-6 weeks per ESPN
So I was curious to where the Rangers stand in MLB in SOs. Here are the top 10:Quote:
3 Consecutive games in which the Rangers have struck out less than 5 times. Strike outs have been a black eye for the club so far this season, so maybe the last 3 games are signaling a change in the tide? Did Iapoce finally start doing his job?
425.....ROFL. They are 19-22 so 41 games? 10+ K's per game average.MSFC Aggie said:So I was curious to where the Rangers stand in MLB in SOs. Here are the top 10:Quote:
3 Consecutive games in which the Rangers have struck out less than 5 times. Strike outs have been a black eye for the club so far this season, so maybe the last 3 games are signaling a change in the tide? Did Iapoce finally start doing his job?
Tampa Bay 425
Milwaukee 367
Arizona 361
San Diego 359
Colorado 343
Texas 335
Cubs 331
Oakland 324
Yankees 320
Toronto/Dodgers 319
I few things stuck out......was surprised to not see the Rangers in the top 2 or 3.....and good grief Tampa....425?!?!? Ironically, Tampa also leads MLB in walks.