*****Official Texas Rangers 2016 Season Thread*****

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Ok, I'm going to make the case against trading for a top SP.

In the playoffs you need 3-4 SP who can get you to the 6th. You have a deeper BP, because you have 1-2 less SPs and your SPs can go mid-starts. All hands on deck.

We have:
Hamels: 18 GS, 3.21 ERA, 1.33 WHIP
Darvish: 4 GS, 3.15 ERA, 1.20 WHIP
Perez: 19 GS, 4.05 ERA, 1.42 WHIP
Griffin: 10 GS, 3.81 ERA, 1.29 WHIP

As terrible as the SP has looked, with Griffin and Darvish back, we need one more servicable SP.

It doesn't take much to improve over Ramos\Lohse\Martinez\Chi Chi.

But, a playoff rotation with those 4... add Colby if healthy, and while I'd love a ToTR SP, we can get by without one.

Now consider what it would cost us to improve.

Here are the guys we are talking about:
AL
Tropeano (LAAA): 3.12 ERA, 1.462 WHIP
Moore (TB): 4.33 ERA, 1.30 WHIP
Odorizzi (TB): 4.47 ERA, 1.27 WHIP
Archer (TB): 4.68 ERA, 1.41 WHIP
Gray (Oak): 5.12 ERA, 1.48 WHIP

NL:
Teheran (Atl): 2.96 ERA, 0.97 WHIP
Santana (Minn): 4.12 ERA, 1.30 WHIP
Cashner (SD): 5.05 ERA, 1.478 WHIP
Corbin (DBacks): 5.25 ERA, 1.514 WHIP
De La Rosa (Col): 5.50 ERA, 1.573 WHIP

There just isn't the difference maker who jumps out as someone I'd put above Perez or Griffin or Colby.

Then, consider what we give up. We are struggling to field a rotation in Round Rock. WE have some very strong SP trade options in AA

We have Gallo, Brinson, among others.

However, when you look at the players we've given up, and the holes we now have (in AAA), giving up anyone from AA, will really leave us in trouble in the future.

Yes, we'd look for someone with team control through say 2018, but a lot of our trouble in SP is the reminents of the trades - Hendricks, Eickoff, et al.

I'd be willing to take on some salary like Santana, but not give up much to get him. Other than that... I don't want to give up a SP. Especially from AA (Sadzeck, Payano, Ortiz, Mendez), A+ (Urado), A (Tate).

If we can give DeShields, Alberto, or some of those guys... fine. Give up some Rule V guys, but other than that... our future is now and we can't give it away.

Ok. I tried.



According to this story... the A's wanted Espoinosa for Rich Hill:

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the A's reportedly initially wanted Anderson Espinoza when the Red Sox inquired about Hill.


Now, mhayden has said the Rangers don't have an equivalent to Espinoza, which I disagree... But, I'm not sure if we did, I'd want to give him (or equivalent package) up on a rental of Hill, let alone Pomeranz. Fears of Garza and Dumpster come to mind.
DallasAg 94
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I think DallasAg should buy some season tickets
I'm not opposed to it... and in August I hope to know more about a possible promotion. At which I've been told I could be traveling more in 2017, than 2016.

I would need a minimum of 5 seats... probably 6. I would want Lower Reserved at $24 per. And my limits are more about time, than money.


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Now, mhayden has said the Rangers don't have an equivalent to Espinoza, which I disagree... But, I'm not sure if we did, I'd want to give him (or equivalent package) up on a rental of Hill, let alone Pomeranz. Fears of Garza and Dumpster come to mind.


Who is your Rangers farmhand that is an Espinoza equivalent?
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I think DallasAg should buy some season tickets
I'm not opposed to it... and in August I hope to know more about a possible promotion. At which I've been told I could be traveling more in 2017, than 2016.

I would need a minimum of 5 seats... probably 6. I would want Lower Reserved at $24 per. And my limits are more about time, than money.





Sounds like you know exactly what you want. I'm sure we've got some inventory available in the lower reserved
DallasAg 94
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Some comments.

I'm not surprised we didn't get Pomeranz. As I mentioned, innings concerns and I think he helps get you to the playoffs, but doesn't help you in the playoffs.

I do think we have Ss that would equate to Anderson, if you look at the numbers.

Anderson (3/9/98): 18, A (SAL), 17 GS, 4.38 ERA, 1.368 WHIP

Luis Ortiz (7/22/95): 20, AA-A+, 13 GS, 3.44, 1.24 WHIP
Last year, this is what Ortiz did in the same league:
Luis Ortiz: 19, A (SAL), 13 GS, 2.16, 1.080 WHIP

Ariel Jurado (1/30/96): 20, A+, 15 GS, 3.82, 1.288 WHIP
Last year he pitched in the SAL, as well:
Jurado: 19, A, 15 GS, 3.27 ERA, 1.051 WHIP

Yohander Mendez (1/17/95): 21, AAA-AA-A+, 15 GS, 2.72, 1.128 WHIP
He pitched in SAL at 19 and 20:
19: 6 GS, 2.61 ERA, 0.903 WHIP, 31.0 IP
20: 8 GS, 2.71 ERA, 1.085 WHIP, 66.1 IP

You'd be hard pressed to distinguish between the 3, IMO. I don't know if any of those 3 are worth Pomeranz, but we aren't in a position to panic.
I had posted the above, when the trade went down.

Admittedly, I've never seen Anderson pitch, and I stated "if you look at the numbers" we have 3 guys who pitched in the same league, and while they were all 19 (as opposed to 18), they all had substantially better results.

I would probably put them:
Ortiz
Mendez
Jurado
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From MLB Rankings:

#34 Espinoza: 6'0"/160 (Pre-Season #39)
Scouting grades: Fastball: 65 | Curveball: 55 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 55 | Overall: 55

#61 Ortiz: 6'3"/230 (Pre-Season #73) - #4 for Rangers
Scouting grades: Fastball: 65 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 55 | Overall: 55

Jurado: 6'1"/180 - #12 for Rangers
Scouting grades: Fastball: 55 | Slider: 45 | Changeup: 55 | Control: 60 | Overall: 50

Mendez: 6'5"/200 - #13 for Rangers
Scouting grades: Fastball: 50 | Curveball: 45 | Changeup: 60 | Control: 55 | Overall: 50



aggietony2010
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WTF Desmond.
DannyDuberstein
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Wtf Desmond. This team is playing dumb lately
gigem1223
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Desmond...don't ever attempt to bunt with no outs again. Terrible.
DannyDuberstein
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Profar and Odor looking like the veterans in this inning. Work that count
DannyDuberstein
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That left in a hurry
gigem1223
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Lol why would anyone throw Odor anything other than off speed in that count? Rougie says thank you!
DannyDuberstein
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Back 2back
Baby Billy
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WE BACK BABY
gigem1223
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Back to back!
GrapevineAg
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Back-to-back jacks!
gigem1223
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Was Odor just passing an imaginary joint?
Ag2012
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FPTR back in business
Silvertaps
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...and fielder is comes in to be his typical buzz kill
DannyDuberstein
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Damn Rua. That one is up there for worst AB all year
DannyDuberstein
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I feel the energy leave the dugout at every Fielder AB.
aggietony2010
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Oh, and for Odor and Beltre.


Mr Gigem
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IT'S LIT!!!!
gigem1223
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Spot on fastball command from AJ early....what he's been missing recently.
TMACsDaMan
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The cure for what ails this team....Division Opponents
DannyDuberstein
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Taking BP tonight. How bad does Desmond feel about not taking a cut at Tropeano?
Michael Cera Palin
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MITCHAPALOOZA
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Mr Gigem
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LOL Tropeano is BUTT. I watched this guy in OKC when he was still in the Astros organization and this was basically par for the course
gigem1223
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With Profar's ridiculous numbers against RHP there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't start every single game against RHP.
Corporal Punishment
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Is there a free way to stream Eric Nadel on my iPhone? Busby and his partner are boring.
Michael Cera Palin
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Well that was stupid
Nagler
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What the ****?
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Is there a free way to stream Eric Nadel on my iPhone? Busby and his partner are boring.


They're worse than boring. My old roommate said they're like the two guys sitting behind you who won't shut up.
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Even the announcer dudes are questioning the decision to sit Andrus tonight.
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