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We have been carrying 3 catchers. While I would think that spot goes to Stubbs when he gets back (or maybe Delino at some point for defense and pinch-run if Stubbs can't come back), we could add an extra bullpen arm (either by trade or promotion--Leclerc anyone?) for a time to help out and give the guys more rest and not really lose anything in the short term.

If we had to move someone off the 40 because of a trade there are a couple candidates that wouldn't be the end of the world to lose for a solid bullpen piece. Certainly be worth it for a top flight RP. Once we move into the playoffs can't have too many guys there you trust in high-leverage situations. Bullpens are often the difference in October.

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Stubbs was just moved to the DL60.

DeShield is .242 with 52 SO in 38 GP at AAA.

I think it's time to do something.

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Yet our bullpen matched them both in our series...

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Maybe Baltimore, maybe, sort of. But anything can happen in a 3 or 4 game series.

Cleveland

Game 1: Rangers gave up 6 runners and 1 earned run in 3 innings. Cleveland gave up 3 runners and 1 earned run in 5 and 2/3rds.

Game 2: Rangers gave up 7 runners and 3 earned runs in 3 innings. Cleveland gave up 3 runners and 1 earned run in 2 innings.

Game 3: Rangers gave up 6 runners and 2 earned runs in 3 innings. Cleveland gave up 5 runners and 1 earned run in 4 innings. (Luke Jackson lost the game for the Rangers in the 11th inning.)

Baltimore

Game 1: Rangers gave up 3 runners and 0 earned runs in 3 and 2/rds. Baltimore gave up 2 runners and 0 earned runs in 3 innings.

Game 2: Rangers gave up 8 runners and 8 earned runs in 3 innings. Baltimore gave up 2 runners and 0 earned runs in 3 innings.

Game 3: Rangers gave up 1 runner and 0 earned runs in 3 innings. Baltimore gave up 7 runners and 3 earned runs in 3 innings.

Game 4: Rangers gave up 6 runners and 0 earned runs in 4 and 2/3rds. Baltimore gave up 0 runners and 0 earned runs in 3 innings.

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You talked about the age of minor leaguers in this organization and others, which I admit I tend to gloss over so maybe I missed something.

Who would I take off? I think Kubitza, this new guy Surkamp at some point, maybe they make a decision on the catchers moving forward...they're candidates.

And I would consider Andrew Faulkner, even though he's younger than the average AAA player. He's a failed starter that has had a very rough season trying to adjust to the bullpen.

I don't know exactly who would be first choice. I'm not a scout watching these guys (but you can't be paralyzed from improving the team just because guys are "younger than average.")

If you want to pin me down, I probably go with Surkamp (as long as the timing of the trade isn't terrible).

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You say the Rangers are paralyzed from improving the team and just need to make a move. My point is... making a move, just to make a move is often a mistake. What mhayden and I are trying to say is, you have to give up something to get something. The last thing you want to do is give up something of value and get something of less value in return.

Wilhelmsen, for example. They gave up Leonys Martin for him. He is hitting .258 \ 11 HR \ 9 SB for Seattle. We just released Wilhelmsen (technically we DFA'ed him and he chose FA, so we don't pay him).

Jackson went 2.45 ERA \ 27 SO \ 22 IP in AAA this season. If he is 1 year away from making it to MLB, and you give him up for someone like Wilhelmsen, which is likely what you are looking for... as a rental, then you've thrown good talent after bad. You aren't going to get Betances, Andrew Miller or Chapman, for someone like Luke Jackson or LeClerc.

I hear fix the bullpen now, and it just isn't that easy.

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We have been carrying 3 catchers.

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And 4 total catchers on the 40 man roster.

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I'd be interested in hearing more abou this...

I know Chirinos hasn't been off the DL for that long, and he may still be dealing with the wrist he got hit on, but it's about time to give some of his starts to Holliday.

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You say the Rangers are paralyzed from improving the team and just need to make a move. My point is... making a move, just to make a move is often a mistake. What mhayden and I are trying to say is, you have to give up something to get something. The last thing you want to do is give up something of value and get something of less value in return.

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I don't think the Rangers are paralyzed. I was responding to the stuff about the age of players.

Anyways, I've spent way too much time explaining my perceived the Rangers bullpen troubles to sit hear and be told I'm wanting to make a move for the sake of making a move.

And yeah, I know. You have to give something in a trade. Thanks, boss.

Except you're including bullpen appearances when Texas was way up or way down -- which isn't really relevant as that is not who you are replacing... unless of course you want to make Tolleson and mop-up guy.

By the way... this was what the Rangers starters did vs Baltimore:

4.1 / 3ER
5.1 / 3ER
6.0 / 2ER
6.0 / 4ER

I think -- like most of your posts -- you are arguing a subset of a point just to argue.

No one is saying the Rangers bullpen couldn't be better. No one is saying the Rangers bullpen couldn't use a fresh arm.

The topic was big trades we'd be making with our valued prospects -- and trading prospects to upgrade a bullpen from a B+ to an A when your rotation likely has 2-3 holes is not a wise move.

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We have been carrying 3 catchers. While I would think that spot goes to Stubbs when he gets back (or maybe Delino at some point for defense and pinch-run if Stubbs can't come back), we could add an extra bullpen arm (either by trade or promotion--Leclerc anyone?) for a time to help out and give the guys more rest and not really lose anything in the short term.

If we had to move someone off the 40 because of a trade there are a couple candidates that wouldn't be the end of the world to lose for a solid bullpen piece. Certainly be worth it for a top flight RP. Once we move into the playoffs can't have too many guys there you trust in high-leverage situations. Bullpens are often the difference in October.

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Stubbs was just moved to the DL60.

DeShield is .242 with 52 SO in 38 GP at AAA.

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Yes I was only implying I would expect something like that as the playoffs approach. Delino definitely isn't in line for a promotion at this point but he'll likely be up in Sept when rosters expand and if he plays decently I can see him being on the playoff roster for his speed if Stubbs can't come back by then. I haven't seen any news on Stubb's rehab other than the move to the 60.

Either way, we could easily have another guy in the bullpen right now if we wanted and not really impact the bench.

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We have been carrying 3 catchers.

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And 4 total catchers on the 40 man roster.

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Chrinos.
Holaday.
Nicholas.
Wilson.

http://m.rangers.mlb.com/roster/40-man/

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/tex/texas-rangers

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I think -- like most of your posts -- you are arguing a subset of a point just to argue.

No one is saying the Rangers bullpen couldn't be better. No one is saying the Rangers bullpen couldn't use a fresh arm.

The topic was big trades we'd be making with our valued prospects -- and trading prospects to upgrade a bullpen from a B+ to an A when your rotation likely has 2-3 holes is not a wise move.

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You're better than this. Arguing a subset is pointing out 7 games and then arguing not to count some of those games because there was something wrong with it. That's arguing a subset.

And I don't know how many times I have to tell you I've never, ever been talking about making a major move.

My first sentence in this discussion was "I'm with Danny...nothing drastic..." and I've repeated myself several times.

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Yes I was only implying I would expect something like that as the playoffs approach. Delino definitely isn't in line for a promotion at this point but he'll likely be up in Sept when rosters expand and if he plays decently I can see him being on the playoff roster for his speed if Stubbs can't come back by then. I haven't seen any news on Stubb's rehab other than the move to the 60.

Either way, we could easily have another guy in the bullpen right now if we wanted and not really impact the bench.

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IIRC, I think even though you get to use 40 during September, your actual playoff roster only allows you 25, which can be changed each series. The purpose of that was to encourage teams to give young players an opportunity, without hampering the team.

That being the case, I could see both Delino and Stubbs being available in September, but left off the Playoffs. Position player-wise... unless the Rangers want to move either Fielder or a C... I think the lineup looks solid.

Thoughts?

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Chrinos.
Holaday.
Nicholas.
Wilson.

http://m.rangers.mlb.com/roster/40-man/

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/tex/texas-rangers

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Oh, you were just stating information. I thought you had a perspective or opinion about it.

Inexcusable to walk two batters in a row there

Come on Diekman!

You play scared you get your ass beat. We are playing scared

My perspective on it was given earlier...if there are opportunities to make a trade, you consider making a decision and not continuing to carry 4 catchers. I said that earlier.

Carrying 3 active guys is atypical. Carrying 4 total is also atypical.

You're the pro at rosters, though, so I figure its obvious.

Speaking of bullpens.....

Whew!

Tolly seemed to be rolling along pretty good - Diekman almost skittered over the edge.

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Except you're including bullpen appearances when Texas was way up or way down -- which isn't really relevant as that is not who you are replacing... unless of course you want to make Tolleson and mop-up guy.

By the way... this was what the Rangers starters did vs Baltimore:

4.1 / 3ER
5.1 / 3ER
6.0 / 2ER
6.0 / 4ER

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Game 1
Baltimore starter went 5.1. Rangers starter went 5.1.
It was a 3 run ballgame when the Rangers bullpen took over.

Game 2
Baltimore starter went 6.0. Rangers starter went 6.0.
It was a 2 run ballgame when the Rangers bullpen took over.

Game 3
Baltimore starter went 6.0. Rangers starter went 6.0.
It was a tie ballgame when the Rangers bullpen took over.

Game 4
Baltimore starter went 5.0. Rangers starter went 4.1
It was 1 run ballgame when the Rangers bullpen took over.

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My perspective on it was given earlier...if there are opportunities to make a trade, you consider making a decision and not continuing to carry 4 catchers. I said that earlier.

Carrying 3 active guys is atypical. Carrying 4 total is also atypical.

You're the pro at rosters, though, so I figure its obvious.

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I was waiting for your dazzling insight.

I'm only a pro because I listen to as many perspectives as I can.

Ready to catch that flight I see

And I'd love for Tolleson, the guy you berated earlier in the season, to be a "mop-up" guy. Yes, I would. That'd mark a solid improvement in the Rangers bullpen.

15 K's through 8 for Yankee pitching.

Did I read correctly that Ogando was DFA'ed this week? Worth kicking the tires?

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15 K's through 8 for Yankee pitching.

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Fielder with the chance to make it 2 strikeouts, and then we just need an extra inning or two and Choo and Mazara will have a chance to make it 9 guys all with 2 strikeouts.

Pretty consistently pathetic at bats from top to bottom today.

At least the middle of the order has been able to work some walks.

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Did I read correctly that Ogando was DFA'ed this week? Worth kicking the tires?

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Yes.

I thought so.

I'm not sure what term the separated, but I thought there was some good chemistry there.

Tidy inning for Diekman.

Thoughts?

http://www.lonestarball.com/2016/6/30/12067606/texas-rangers-trade-rumors-matt-moore-tampa-bay-rays

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Did I read correctly that Ogando was DFA'ed this week? Worth kicking the tires?

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He was DFAd. Too old and inconsistent to stick around during Atlanta's quest for youth.

I don't know if he's worth it. He's not pitching anything like he used to, and the WHIP is up to 1.72.

I'm inclined to think that if he hadn't been a Ranger before, I wouldn't even know this happened...and that would make me feel like he's getting added for the wrong reasons. Nostalgia doesn't win games.

Maybe you try to get him on a minor league contract and see if he can work out whatever ails him.

102....and Adrian rips it

Fielder gave one a ride earlier...