trumbo walkoff 2r hr

Lowe was still in recovery, IMO, to begin the season. If he remains healthy - YOWZERS!

why

adams looked shaky the second he came in this time.

are you ****ting me

Dammit

F'ING PATHETIC...

and i didn't see anything since the endy out

2 game swing with one...well...swing

Eff.

I've seen Adams pitch twice this year and both have been his losses. I think from now on when he comes in I'll change the channel.

G dammit, instead of 8 up we're 6 up.

2 game swing in one at bat.

**** you nagler

It's all your fault Nagler!!!!

Colby was awesome. hindsight is 20/20. Now I wish Neftali would have come on. Ultimately, our pitching was awesome, our hitters just could not help enough. This needs to be fixed before the playoffs, where we will likely see pitchers like Verlander, Becket, & Sabathia twice in a series.

[This message has been edited by Nagler (edited 8/19/2011 12:03a).]

Yeah no **** nagler you already told us.

What the **** Nagler

Every other time Feliz has Blown a Save has come when he pitches 3 days in a row. Adams was the right call. Not sure what happened with the hanger... the call was low and inside and it looked about belt to chest high.

These are the types of situations Adams needs to be in. I think he'll step his game up. Lots of dynamics going on in the BP. We won't win them all.

3-1 in LAAA is awesome, and we were in position to beat Weaver for the 1st time in LAAAA.

Lowe was fantastic.

Nagler

Nah... its all good. Keep watching.

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our hitters just could not help enough. This needs to be fixed before the playoffs

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REALLY?

DAG94 -

I am not attempting to be a downer, just making an observation. I am sure we can agree that the goal for this team this year is to make and win the world series. In order to do that, we will likely be facing pitching of the same caliber as Weaver, probably at leaast two times in every series.

We have faced that level of pitching several times this year, and I am not sure we have a single win in any of those games. Guys like Cliff Lee (1 game, no runs scored, loss), Roy Halladay (1 game, 2 runs scored, loss), CC Sabathia (2 games, 9 runs scored, 2 losses), Jair Jurjens (1 game, 2 runs scored, loss), Josh Becket (have not faced), Verlander (have not faced).

In 3 games against Weaver this year, we have scored 2 runs total, and lost each of those games.

We may or may not agree, but IMO we do not have a legitimate Ace on this starting pitching staff. I love our staff, and I think we may have the best 1-5 in the entire AL in starting pitching as a whole. However CJ and Colby are just not at that level. Holland could be one day, but he is not yet and is still very young and to inconsistent. So what does that mean? To me it means our offense has to find way to help out our pitching in games against the elite pitchers.

Can it be done? Certainly. All of the pitchers I listed above have losses on thier records this year. All the pitchers I have listed above have had games where they have given up 3 or more runs this year.

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we will likely be facing pitching of the same caliber as Weaver, probably at leaast two times in every series.

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Weaver is #2 in MLB in ERA. Will we face pitchers of his caliber in the playoffs? Certainly. We won't face Weaver. We won't play in Anaheim. We won't face Weaver in Anaheim, where he is 7-0. We were poised to beat Weaver in Anaheim, with only 3 outs to go. It was a loss, but not because of Weaver. He was poised for a Loss when he left. Adams is a beast of a pitcher, and didn't get it done. Would Feliz have been better? Maybe, but not 3rd day in a row, and in the playoffs we don't have back-to-back-back games.

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Guys like Cliff Lee (1 game, no runs scored, loss), Roy Halladay (1 game, 2 runs scored, loss), CC Sabathia (2 games, 9 runs scored, 2 losses), Jair Jurjens (1 game, 2 runs scored, loss), Josh Becket (have not faced), Verlander (have not faced).

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WOW... awesome group of pitchers. 6 great pitchers who are... the #3, 4, 7, 12, 14 and 18 in MLB ERA. The good news is, we won't face all of these in one series *shew*.

Pitchers on teams poised to make the playoffs, limited to Top 33, since Ogando is 33rd. I'll give you CC, Beckett, Verlander and Masterson being great pitchers:
AL
Texas:
- Harrison: #25 ERA - 3.19
- CJ: #26 ERA - 3.20
- Ogando: #33 ERA - 3.33

NYY
- CC: #18
- Garcia: #24
BOS
- Beckett: #4 ERA - 2.46/10-5
DET
- Verlander: #3 ERA - 2.31/18-5
- Lester: #30 ERA - 3.22/12-6

Cle
-Masterson: #10 ERA - 2.71/10-7

Just to be clear... You recognize:
1. These pitchers... while they have losses... keep teams from scorings, right...
2. There is a finite # of these pitchers.
3. In the AL, each team has 1 (we can argue whether you think Texas is among teams with 1).
4. They can't pitch all of the games in a series.
5. More than likely they have losses because their O has not scored.

My point was - there is no reason for Texas to panic and blow up the team, because the #2 ERA in MLB kept our O in check, after they scored 19Runs in 3 Games... even though we were 3 Outs from victory. As great as you want to designate Weaver... our 2nd rate, throw-away SP - CLew out pitched him.

What irritates me (and others) about you is your constant drumbeat of the sky is falling. This isn't basketball or football. One bad pitch can cost you greatly... but that doesn't mean you've got to act like you do. It has made you look consistently foolish. CLew and Weaver had great games. One will win one will lose. The difference between winning and losing in a game where 275 pitches are thrown, could be the bad pitch by Weaver to Nap.. or the bad pitch by Adams to Trumbo.

Additional pitchers to note:
NL
Philly
- Halladay: #7 ERA - 2.53/15-5
- Hamels: #9 ERA - 2.62/13-7
- CLee: #12 ERA - 2.82/13-7
Atl
- Jurrjens: #14 ERA - 2.84/12-5
- Hudson: #22
Milw
Az
- Kennedy: #29 ERA - 3.22
- Wolf: #31

SF
- Vogelsong:#5 ERA
- Lincecum: #6 ERA
- Cain: #15

Blue star for DA94

DAG94, good post. Where in my post did I say the sky was falling, or that the team needed to be blown up? I do not think either is the case. Where did I say our pitchers are second rate? I do not think they are. I think they are all very, very good, as noted by my comment that I believe we have the best starting 5 rotation in all of the AL. On both fronts, offense and pitching, I think we are about as good and balanced as there is in the entire Major League.

I acknowledge that all the pitchers I listed are elite, and all very difficult to score on. But that is why JD and co have assembled an offense as powerfull as ours, to (hopefully) be able to produce enough to win even against the best of pitchers. However, against those pitchers this year, only two times have we scored 3 or more runs (both against CC Sabathia).

Yes, those pitchers are very good and difficult to score on. But it is possible to beat them, and it is possible to score 3 or more runs on them in a game. This is fact. I am just saying the Rangers need to do a better job and find a way. Because as we have seen on multiple occasions when our pitchers have been matched up with that level of competition, even when our guys pitched incredibly well, we still lost because our offense was not able to produce sufficiently to win.

Many say that great pitching beats great hitting. I think this is true for the most part (though Oakland, Seattle, and even San Francisco this year may disagree with that). However, as is demonstrated as well, great pitching can be beat. I am just hoping we find a way to do so when we are facing it come playoff time.

As a reference, IMO any time your pitching staff gives up 2 or less runs in 9 innings of baseball, they did thier jobs and performed at a level that I would consider elite. I would say that the pitching staff, in those games, did enough to win the game, that they did thier part.

There are two sides to the coin, and the offense is responsible to do thier part. I would also say any game the team losses when the pitching staff gives up maximum 2 runs is on the offense. I do not think that is an unreasonable conclusion to make.

All that said, if our pitchers keep doing what they have been all year, I like our chances in a 7 game series against just about anyone. It is the 5 game series that scares me.