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In reply to 2008and1 • 11:08p, 6/10/26
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Guitarsoup said:
Watch the play again.

It made sense to have Wemby out on Brunson because he didn't have time to drive or get a good look. Wemby there keeps the shot from being clean without possibly fouling because of his length. They didn't have time for passes or drives really, because teams generally don't want to shoot at 0.1, they want to shoot with enough time for a tip for this reason.

The problem was that Fox only half heartedly doubled and he didn't clear his man, which was OG. Fox didnt' put pressure on brunson but also didn't check his man - OG.

Failing to dribble out was on Fox. Then Fox ****ed up the last defensive play and rebound.



Yep. Just did absolutely nothing positive on that last defensive possession

It was 1000% kawhi in 2013. Kawhi just sat with his finger up his ass doing nothing when Bosh crashed the board.

Fox didn't put pressure on Brunson but also didn't make sure that OG couldn't get to the hoop.

Fox ****ed up the defensive possession. Fox ****ed up the previous offensive possession when he could have just forced the foul (and he is hitting over 83% in the series.)
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In reply to stevoacp • 11:08p, 6/10/26
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i dont think i have the strength to watch game 5

I'm not unless Mitch is gone. Call me whatever kind of fan you want to, but I can't watch him coach us to giving up another double digit lead.
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Guitarsoup said:
Watch the play again.

It made sense to have Wemby out on Brunson because he didn't have time to drive or get a good look. Wemby there keeps the shot from being clean without possibly fouling because of his length. They didn't have time for passes or drives really, because teams generally don't want to shoot at 0.1, they want to shoot with enough time for a tip for this reason.

The problem was that Fox only half heartedly doubled and he didn't clear his man, which was OG. Fox didnt' put pressure on brunson but also didn't check his man - OG.

Failing to dribble out was on Fox. Then Fox ****ed up the last defensive play and rebound.

It should have never come to that. We lost that game long before that moment.

It did come to that. Fox had two chances to save the game and he ****ed up both of them on either end of the court.
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In reply to Backcountry Birds • 11:09p, 6/10/26
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Fox is the equivalent of eating a bag of churros. 100% empty calories. He needs to be traded this off-season for absolutely anyone else in the league to get off of this albatross of a contact.

Completely inexcusable for your max veteran. He literally choked away a championship.

Fox is here for 1-2 more years. This series won't change that.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 11:09p, 6/10/26
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Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Watch the play again.

It made sense to have Wemby out on Brunson because he didn't have time to drive or get a good look. Wemby there keeps the shot from being clean without possibly fouling because of his length. They didn't have time for passes or drives really, because teams generally don't want to shoot at 0.1, they want to shoot with enough time for a tip for this reason.

The problem was that Fox only half heartedly doubled and he didn't clear his man, which was OG. Fox didnt' put pressure on brunson but also didn't check his man - OG.

Failing to dribble out was on Fox. Then Fox ****ed up the last defensive play and rebound.

It should have never come to that. We lost that game long before that moment.

It did come to that. Fox had two chances to save the game and he ****ed up both of them on either end of the court.

It came to that because we ****ed up numerous possessions before that. That play was just the cherry.
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 11:09p, 6/10/26
Yes, our lack of experience showed, but a large portion of this needs to be put on Mitch. Again, we had 6 free throws after getting into the bonus with 7 minutes left. The second Mitch sees us settling for jump shots a few possessions in a row, a timeout needs to be called and he needed to get on them about getting into the paint. We had a huge advantage and we didn't use it.
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Fox has the longest list of woulda coulda shoulda of anyone tonight and it isn't close. His handling the end of the 3rd was absolutely awful. Had a chance to be up 20+ heading to the 4th and he turns it over twice in a row without any pressure being applied at all. Just stupid play for a long time. Harper should have been on the court more those last few minutes.
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In reply to Average Joe • 11:11p, 6/10/26
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Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Watch the play again.

It made sense to have Wemby out on Brunson because he didn't have time to drive or get a good look. Wemby there keeps the shot from being clean without possibly fouling because of his length. They didn't have time for passes or drives really, because teams generally don't want to shoot at 0.1, they want to shoot with enough time for a tip for this reason.

The problem was that Fox only half heartedly doubled and he didn't clear his man, which was OG. Fox didnt' put pressure on brunson but also didn't check his man - OG.

Failing to dribble out was on Fox. Then Fox ****ed up the last defensive play and rebound.

It should have never come to that. We lost that game long before that moment.

It did come to that. Fox had two chances to save the game and he ****ed up both of them on either end of the court.

It came to that because we ****ed up numerous possessions before that. That play was just the cherry.

All came down to those two plays. Period. Cry about any thing else - lots of mistakes throughout the game obviously. But if Fox dribbles out, we win.

If Fox covers his man, we win.

Those two plays decided the game.
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11:11p, 6/10/26
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Seems we're the 90s Bulls, not the 91' team.
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11:11p, 6/10/26
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Wemby is an accidental elbow from being suspended for a game, too. Every defender will be guarding with their face the rest of the series.
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In reply to Enzo The Baker • 11:13p, 6/10/26
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This was on Fox…so many turnovers and any high schooler knows to dribble that ball out. Even a made bucket still allows NY a chance to tie with a three.

The oldest guy on the court made the most mistakes in the 4th. Clutch player my ass.


While Harper outscored him again on less shots. Where have we seen that before IN THIS SERIES?

Dylan sits while Fox goes full ****** down the stretch. Just stupid.
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11:13p, 6/10/26
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What is the most realistic exit from Fox's contract? Leaving him unprotected in Expansion draft in 2 years or a trade?
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 11:13p, 6/10/26
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Fox is the equivalent of eating a bag of churros. 100% empty calories. He needs to be traded this off-season for absolutely anyone else in the league to get off of this albatross of a contact.

Completely inexcusable for your max veteran. He literally choked away a championship.

Fox is here for 1-2 more years. This series won't change that.


Well, I hope we like churros!
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 11:13p, 6/10/26
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Harper with highest +/- tonight as well.
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 11:14p, 6/10/26
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Mitch is a bad coach


Again, this is the youngest team ever in any sport to be playing for a ring. For perspective, SA is the youngest team by adjusted minutes to make it to the Finals by over two full years and if they won would be the youngest by nearly 4.

He's effectively coaching college players in the NBA Finals


So what? Ask Tony Parker about being 19 and winning.
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In reply to jsc8116 • 11:15p, 6/10/26
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What is the most realistic exit from Fox's contract? Leaving him unprotected in Expansion draft in 2 years or a trade?

Trade in 2028 after the expansion draft. He will be 30 and have two years left.
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In reply to deer corn • 11:17p, 6/10/26
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Infection_Ag11 said:
Twice an Aggie said:
Mitch is a bad coach


Again, this is the youngest team ever in any sport to be playing for a ring. For perspective, SA is the youngest team by adjusted minutes to make it to the Finals by over two full years and if they won would be the youngest by nearly 4.

He's effectively coaching college players in the NBA Finals


So what? Ask Tony Parker about being 19 and winning.

Tony was 20 and was benched for massive parts of that run for Speedy Claxton because he made so many mistakes. Harper is already better than Tony was until Tony's 4th or 5th year. Harper is a better defender right now than Tony was at any point in his career.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 11:17p, 6/10/26
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Guitarsoup said:
Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Watch the play again.

It made sense to have Wemby out on Brunson because he didn't have time to drive or get a good look. Wemby there keeps the shot from being clean without possibly fouling because of his length. They didn't have time for passes or drives really, because teams generally don't want to shoot at 0.1, they want to shoot with enough time for a tip for this reason.

The problem was that Fox only half heartedly doubled and he didn't clear his man, which was OG. Fox didnt' put pressure on brunson but also didn't check his man - OG.

Failing to dribble out was on Fox. Then Fox ****ed up the last defensive play and rebound.

It should have never come to that. We lost that game long before that moment.

It did come to that. Fox had two chances to save the game and he ****ed up both of them on either end of the court.

It came to that because we ****ed up numerous possessions before that. That play was just the cherry.

All came down to those two plays. Period. Cry about any thing else - lots of mistakes throughout the game obviously. But if Fox dribbles out, we win.

If Fox covers his man, we win.

Those two plays decided the game.

29 point lead. We literally just had to dribble the ball late into the clock and drive to the basket the entire second half and we win. Hell, take all the same shots but get the clock under 7 seconds and we win.

We didn't lose that game in two plays. We lost it in 2 quarters. 2 quarters of really, REALLY bad decisions and coaching.
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In reply to flashplayer • 11:18p, 6/10/26
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Most excited for Harper's progression next season. That Fox extension will go down as a massive mistake, hindsight is 20/20, but I can't imagine Brian Wright and company aren't looking for ways to move on from Fox after tonight WTF plays by Fox and knowing what they have in Harper.
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In reply to Average Joe • 11:19p, 6/10/26
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Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Watch the play again.

It made sense to have Wemby out on Brunson because he didn't have time to drive or get a good look. Wemby there keeps the shot from being clean without possibly fouling because of his length. They didn't have time for passes or drives really, because teams generally don't want to shoot at 0.1, they want to shoot with enough time for a tip for this reason.

The problem was that Fox only half heartedly doubled and he didn't clear his man, which was OG. Fox didnt' put pressure on brunson but also didn't check his man - OG.

Failing to dribble out was on Fox. Then Fox ****ed up the last defensive play and rebound.

It should have never come to that. We lost that game long before that moment.

It did come to that. Fox had two chances to save the game and he ****ed up both of them on either end of the court.

It came to that because we ****ed up numerous possessions before that. That play was just the cherry.

All came down to those two plays. Period. Cry about any thing else - lots of mistakes throughout the game obviously. But if Fox dribbles out, we win.

If Fox covers his man, we win.

Those two plays decided the game.

29 point lead. We literally just had to dribble the ball late into the clock and drive to the basket the entire second half and we win. Hell, take all the same shots but get the clock under 7 seconds and we win.

We didn't lose that game in two plays. We lost it in 2 quarters. 2 quarters of really, REALLY bad decisions and coaching.

If Fox dribbles out the clock with 11 seconds left, no one remembers or cares. Period.

If Fox is on OG and keeps him from running 40 feet for a tip, no one remembers or cares.

Two plays decided the game.
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In reply to Average Joe • 11:19p, 6/10/26
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We scored more point in 1st quarter than all of 2nd half, we score more points in 1nd quarter than all of 2nd half....barffff.
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 11:22p, 6/10/26
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
Yes, our lack of experience showed, but a large portion of this needs to be put on Mitch. Again, we had 6 free throws after getting into the bonus with 7 minutes left. The second Mitch sees us settling for jump shots a few possessions in a row, a timeout needs to be called and he needed to get on them about getting into the paint. We had a huge advantage and we didn't use it.


Again, this is antiquated thinking. The data couldn't be more clear. Telling NBA caliber three point shooters to stop shooting open threes across large swaths of game time is coaching malpractice. It's literally like an offensive coordinator telling his offense to stop throwing the football for an entire quarter.

Every one making this point is just objectively, outrageously wrong. It's not debatable or a matter of opinion. You just flat out don't do that and no coach does.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 11:23p, 6/10/26
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Wouldn't we prefer to not protect him in expansion draft so we wouldn't have to take any bad contracts back?
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In reply to Average Joe • 11:24p, 6/10/26
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Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Watch the play again.

It made sense to have Wemby out on Brunson because he didn't have time to drive or get a good look. Wemby there keeps the shot from being clean without possibly fouling because of his length. They didn't have time for passes or drives really, because teams generally don't want to shoot at 0.1, they want to shoot with enough time for a tip for this reason.

The problem was that Fox only half heartedly doubled and he didn't clear his man, which was OG. Fox didnt' put pressure on brunson but also didn't check his man - OG.

Failing to dribble out was on Fox. Then Fox ****ed up the last defensive play and rebound.

It should have never come to that. We lost that game long before that moment.

It did come to that. Fox had two chances to save the game and he ****ed up both of them on either end of the court.

It came to that because we ****ed up numerous possessions before that. That play was just the cherry.

All came down to those two plays. Period. Cry about any thing else - lots of mistakes throughout the game obviously. But if Fox dribbles out, we win.

If Fox covers his man, we win.

Those two plays decided the game.

29 point lead. We literally just had to dribble the ball late into the clock and drive to the basket the entire second half and we win.


The issue here is that this is such a profoundly flawed way of thinking about modern basketball that it makes actual debate impossible. You're not even arguing from a reality based basketball worldview. How can we explain gravity to someone who thinks the earth is flat?
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In reply to Infection_Ag11 • 11:24p, 6/10/26
Yes, you don't tell players to stop shooting 3s, unless crashing the paint becomes advantageous. When you are in the bonus, the calculus shifts towards crashing the paint given the probability of drawing fouls that guarantee free throws. Even more so when you just shot 2-12 from 3 in the 3rd quarter.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
Yes, our lack of experience showed, but a large portion of this needs to be put on Mitch. Again, we had 6 free throws after getting into the bonus with 7 minutes left. The second Mitch sees us settling for jump shots a few possessions in a row, a timeout needs to be called and he needed to get on them about getting into the paint. We had a huge advantage and we didn't use it.


Again, this is antiquated thinking. The data couldn't be more clear. Telling NBA caliber three point shooters to stop shooting open threes across large swaths of game time is coaching malpractice. It's literally like an offensive coordinator telling his offense to stop throwing the football for an entire quarter.

Every one making this point is just objectively, outrageously wrong. It's not debatable or a matter of opinion. You just flat out don't do that and no coach does.


Na both third and fourth we were in bonus but kept hacking threes. That's dumb.

And if you're gonna shoot threes then run the clock down to three or less instead of with 15-20 on the clock. You gave them extra possessions in what was largely a math problem at that point.
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In reply to jsc8116 • 11:25p, 6/10/26
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Most excited for Harper's progression next season. That Fox extension will go down as a massive mistake, hindsight is 20/20, but I can't imagine Brian Wright and company aren't looking for ways to move on from Fox after tonight WTF plays by Fox and knowing what they have in Harper.

The extension is part of getting Fox at an asset discount. We dumped bad salary, moved a Wolves Pick, our 2027 pick (likely bottom 5) and the Bulls pick (Noa Essengue) that was protected for multiple years.

Fox completely ****ed this game up, but we also aren't in the Finals right now without him.

Now like or hate it, Fox wouldn't be the guy I would have chosen for this team, but it was the right value and unfortunately that salary is part of the deal. It isn't a good deal, but it also doesn't hamstring us like some pretend it does.

With a real PF and better shooting, I think he and the other guards look a lot better. But it sucks we have to play guys like Julian at PF because Barnes completely fell apart mid season this year.

We turned over 9 of our 15 players since Feb 1, 2025. And we are going to turn over more this summer. I expect 4 new faces.

But bottom line is that we are WAY ahead of schedule and we have the most promising and talented young trio in the league.
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In reply to deer corn • 11:26p, 6/10/26
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deer corn said:
Infection_Ag11 said:
Twice an Aggie said:
Mitch is a bad coach


Again, this is the youngest team ever in any sport to be playing for a ring. For perspective, SA is the youngest team by adjusted minutes to make it to the Finals by over two full years and if they won would be the youngest by nearly 4.

He's effectively coaching college players in the NBA Finals


So what? Ask Tony Parker about being 19 and winning.


Parker wasn't 19 and he spent much of that playoff run benched for Speedy ****ing Claxton because he couldn't handle the moment.

I was there when the dark magic was written dude, don't try and gaslight me on this *****
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Wouldn't we prefer to not protect him in expansion draft so we wouldn't have to take any bad contracts back?


Yeah you absolutely make him available in the expansion draft. That's easy.

Hell he may want out after this series. He's gonna be persona non grata in SA after tonight.
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Infection_Ag11 said:
Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Average Joe said:
Guitarsoup said:
Watch the play again.

It made sense to have Wemby out on Brunson because he didn't have time to drive or get a good look. Wemby there keeps the shot from being clean without possibly fouling because of his length. They didn't have time for passes or drives really, because teams generally don't want to shoot at 0.1, they want to shoot with enough time for a tip for this reason.

The problem was that Fox only half heartedly doubled and he didn't clear his man, which was OG. Fox didnt' put pressure on brunson but also didn't check his man - OG.

Failing to dribble out was on Fox. Then Fox ****ed up the last defensive play and rebound.

It should have never come to that. We lost that game long before that moment.

It did come to that. Fox had two chances to save the game and he ****ed up both of them on either end of the court.

It came to that because we ****ed up numerous possessions before that. That play was just the cherry.

All came down to those two plays. Period. Cry about any thing else - lots of mistakes throughout the game obviously. But if Fox dribbles out, we win.

If Fox covers his man, we win.

Those two plays decided the game.

29 point lead. We literally just had to dribble the ball late into the clock and drive to the basket the entire second half and we win.


The issue here is that this is such a profoundly flawed way of thinking about modern basketball that it makes actual debate impossible. You're not even arguing from a reality based basketball worldview. How can we explain gravity to someone who thinks the earth is flat?

My point is that the only way you lose a 29 point lead is by taking low percentage shots and giving the other team more possessions. However, at no point in the second half did we do anything to slow down from doing either of those things. We shot a ton of 3's early in the clock while in the bonus. Saying you can't change your gameplan in that situation is idiotic.
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Infection_Ag11 said:
Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
Yes, our lack of experience showed, but a large portion of this needs to be put on Mitch. Again, we had 6 free throws after getting into the bonus with 7 minutes left. The second Mitch sees us settling for jump shots a few possessions in a row, a timeout needs to be called and he needed to get on them about getting into the paint. We had a huge advantage and we didn't use it.


Again, this is antiquated thinking. The data couldn't be more clear. Telling NBA caliber three point shooters to stop shooting open threes across large swaths of game time is coaching malpractice. It's literally like an offensive coordinator telling his offense to stop throwing the football for an entire quarter.

Every one making this point is just objectively, outrageously wrong. It's not debatable or a matter of opinion. You just flat out don't do that and no coach does.


Na both third and fourth we were in bonus but kept hacking threes. That's dumb.

And if you're gonna shoot threes then run the clock down to three or less instead of with 15-20 on the clock. You gave them extra possessions in what was largely a math problem at that point.


You run your offense and take the open shots it generates. This ain't ****ing middle school in 1997, you don't dribble around to run clock and take whatever shot you get with 3 seconds on the clock.
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11:30p, 6/10/26
Really even in a disaster like this it's easy to identify where this team needs to grow.

Valuing the basketball. Can't pass it to the other team, dribble it off your own foot or step out of bounds in the 4th quarter of a finals game. This isn't a coaching thing, it's about each guy stepping up and being stronger and more definitive with the ball. Twice in this series we've tried to pass to Castle and he's been unaware.

Execution down the stretch. This one is coaching to an extent but also youth. We clearly don't have the ability to execute what we want on offense when the game gets tight and the pressure of each possession ramps up. We've seen this all year and tonight was no different. Not sure if Mitch needs a more experienced bench coach to help him out here, but you absolutely need your guys to know what they're doing when each possession starts to matter.

Dealing with pressure. Vic misses a pair of free throws. Fox forgets that he has the ball and we have the lead. Vic and Champ both leave OG wide open in the corner. Champ and Devin both had wide open 3s that could have sealed the game. When it really mattered, no one on the team could make a bucket. Maybe once these guys get a bit more experience they'll be able to make those shots, but tonight no one was ready to step up in the clutch.
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In reply to jsc8116 • 11:31p, 6/10/26
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jsc8116 said:
Wouldn't we prefer to not protect him in expansion draft so we wouldn't have to take any bad contracts back?

He will be 30 years old with 2 seasons left on his contract for a player that has been a top 10 scorer, led the league in steals, and is a good person and teammate. Teams always need a player like that, even if they are somewhat overpaid. Think about how much better teams like Minnesota, Orlando, and Houston would be if they just had a guy like Fox. All of them were 1st-2nd round exits this year in large part because they didn't have a PG that could control the flow. For all his flaws, Fox can do that and he will have value in the future because of it.

So no, he is not and will not be a negative asset, even if he is overpaid, because he has a skillset that isn't replicated everywhere or easily.

So when you trade him after the expansion draft, you aren't necessarily getting a bad contract, but you are likely trading him for two or three role players to fill out the bench.

If you left him open, Vegas or Seattle would do the same. They would take him and then try to flip him for younger players/picks.

So when we can only keep 8 rotation players (same as the rest of the league) keeping Fox and moving him for a couple of role players to be our 8-10th guys in the rotation makes a lot of sense, even though those guys will be worse than Fox individually.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
Yes, our lack of experience showed, but a large portion of this needs to be put on Mitch. Again, we had 6 free throws after getting into the bonus with 7 minutes left. The second Mitch sees us settling for jump shots a few possessions in a row, a timeout needs to be called and he needed to get on them about getting into the paint. We had a huge advantage and we didn't use it.


Again, this is antiquated thinking. The data couldn't be more clear. Telling NBA caliber three point shooters to stop shooting open threes across large swaths of game time is coaching malpractice. It's literally like an offensive coordinator telling his offense to stop throwing the football for an entire quarter.

Every one making this point is just objectively, outrageously wrong. It's not debatable or a matter of opinion. You just flat out don't do that and no coach does.


Na both third and fourth we were in bonus but kept hacking threes. That's dumb.

And if you're gonna shoot threes then run the clock down to three or less instead of with 15-20 on the clock. You gave them extra possessions in what was largely a math problem at that point.

Did you watch it? We drove and were hacked and they refused to blow the whistle despite NYK getting in the bonus so early. We had a TON of **** that should have been called.
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