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Got the W so don't care. The Knicks can EAD.
Got the W so don't care. The Knicks can EAD.
************* Houston Rockets 23-24 Season thread ****************
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After the Sixers blew the #Rockets out last month, Jalen Green very angrily told me “I’m not being used properly” and “I’m not no 6th man” — this was in response to me saying that Cam Whitmore should start at SG.
— Roosh (@RooshWilliams) February 15, 2024
So it will be very interesting to see how he responds to possibly…
Jalen confirmed soft, he's not it.
Jalen's career is at an inflection point right now. How he responds going forward will determine if he is a top talent in this league or not. I have a feeling he sulks about being benched and gets even worse but who knows.
To me it's quite clear that he doesn't have the Anthony Edwards type of personality that says "I'm gonna get this **** done, no matter what."
Jabari's 3pt shooting since his injury has been absolutely trash. He took 6 last night and none of them looked good out of his hand. He is either still injured or his form is completely messed up.
I wish he would skip the stupid rookie/sophomore games during the all-star break. Nobody cares about it and he needs to spend his time getting stronger.
I wish he would skip the stupid rookie/sophomore games during the all-star break. Nobody cares about it and he needs to spend his time getting stronger.
He wants to play like James Harden but with half the talent.HotardRat said:After the Sixers blew the #Rockets out last month, Jalen Green very angrily told me “I’m not being used properly” and “I’m not no 6th man” — this was in response to me saying that Cam Whitmore should start at SG.
— Roosh (@RooshWilliams) February 15, 2024
So it will be very interesting to see how he responds to possibly…
Jalen confirmed soft, he's not it.
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Jalen's ceiling is a less athletic Zach LaVine. Cam has All-NBA potential. I don't think Jalen has that. Quality starter and possible All-Star is it. He's been relatively healthy in 2.5 seasons so the sample is there, but there is nothing especially unique about his game or irreplaceable about his intangibles in that sample that says to me he'll be the guy. A moveable piece.
Levine is a 38% 3pt fg shooter for his career. He once shot over 40% on 8 attempts per game. Jalen isn't going to come close to that...
At this point his ceiling feels like Gerald green.
At this point his ceiling feels like Gerald green.
Gerald Green is ridiculous. Jalen put up 22ppg last year.AG@RICE said:
Levine is a 38% 3pt fg shooter for his career. He once shot over 40% on 8 attempts per game. Jalen isn't going to come close to that...
At this point his ceiling feels like Gerald green.
I think the ideal role for him is a Jamal Crawford or Sweet Lou Williams. Jamal and Lou COULD have scored 22PPG on a bad team with high usage, but their best role was a 25mpg instant offense off the bench. Having a guy like that is super important for a championship team, but I don't know if Green's ego can handle that.
Guitarsoup said:Gerald Green is ridiculous. Jalen put up 22ppg last year.AG@RICE said:
Levine is a 38% 3pt fg shooter for his career. He once shot over 40% on 8 attempts per game. Jalen isn't going to come close to that...
At this point his ceiling feels like Gerald green.
I think the ideal role for him is a Jamal Crawford or Sweet Lou Williams. Jamal and Lou COULD have scored 22PPG on a bad team with high usage, but their best role was a 25mpg instant offense off the bench. Having a guy like that is super important for a championship team, but I don't know if Green's ego can handle that.
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I think Green is being ruined by our approach. His 22pg last year were a mirage. He didn't earn those points by being a good player, he was gifted them because of his "potential". He is one of the least efficient shooters in the NBA and has shown zero growth this year. In fact, he looks to have taken a step or two backwards. He is basically the poster child for "inefficient high-volume chuckers". At this point in his career, he really only deserves 15-20 minutes a game, but we are force feeding him >30. I honestly think you'd get the same exact production if you played Nate Williams in those minutes.
Crawford and Sweet Lou started their nba lives as a bench player and didn't really hit their peak until the age of 28/29 on their 3rd or 4th team. They both had a way more humble start to their careers before embracing their true NBA role. I don't think Jalen is going to learn that lesson. The kid honestly believes he is Kobe (who also started his life on the bench), despite being one of the worst defenders in the league. He has the basketball awareness of a low-end prospect. The Rockets aren't helping the situation by coddling him either. He needs to be benched, and if he doesn't react positively its a clear sign he will never reach his potential. Also, if he does turn out to be crawford or sweet lou, it will be for his 3rd or 4th team, so there really isn't a reason to force feed him minutes.
If Tari ever gets healthy, he should immediately displaced Green in the starting lineup. In fact, all of this attention on Green might be the perfect situation to allow Tari to properly develop.
Crawford and Sweet Lou started their nba lives as a bench player and didn't really hit their peak until the age of 28/29 on their 3rd or 4th team. They both had a way more humble start to their careers before embracing their true NBA role. I don't think Jalen is going to learn that lesson. The kid honestly believes he is Kobe (who also started his life on the bench), despite being one of the worst defenders in the league. He has the basketball awareness of a low-end prospect. The Rockets aren't helping the situation by coddling him either. He needs to be benched, and if he doesn't react positively its a clear sign he will never reach his potential. Also, if he does turn out to be crawford or sweet lou, it will be for his 3rd or 4th team, so there really isn't a reason to force feed him minutes.
If Tari ever gets healthy, he should immediately displaced Green in the starting lineup. In fact, all of this attention on Green might be the perfect situation to allow Tari to properly develop.
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I think Green is being ruined by our approach. His 22pg last year were a mirage. He didn't earn those points by being a good player, he was gifted them because of his "potential". He is one of the least efficient shooters in the NBA and has shown zero growth this year. In fact, he looks to have taken a step or two backwards. He is basically the poster child for "inefficient high-volume chuckers". At this point in his career, he really only deserves 15-20 minutes a game, but we are force feeding him >30. I honestly think you'd get the same exact production if you played Nate Williams in those minutes.
I don't think he is ruined, but Silas didn't help. I think it comes down to attitude. Almost completely washed Klay Thompson came off the bench last night and scored 35 in 28 minutes for GSW.
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Crawford and Sweet Lou started their nba lives as a bench player and didn't really hit their peak until the age of 28/29 on their 3rd or 4th team. They both had a way more humble start to their careers before embracing their true NBA role. I don't think Jalen is going to learn that lesson. The kid honestly believes he is Kobe (who also started his life on the bench), despite being one of the worst defenders in the league. He has the basketball awareness of a low-end prospect. The Rockets aren't helping the situation by coddling him either. He needs to be benched, and if he doesn't react positively its a clear sign he will never reach his potential. Also, if he does turn out to be crawford or sweet lou, it will be for his 3rd or 4th team, so there really isn't a reason to force feed him minutes.
I still think it comes down to attitude. Jason Terry was a starter his first 7 seasons, then Dallas made him 6MOY and won a title with him. He wasn't washed - he was in his prime, but he was just a more valuable player that way and Dallas won a title like that. Terry was top 3 in 6MOY voting for 5 straight years. Eric Gordon was a starter every year until he signed with Houston, then won 6MOY. Antawn Jamison, Lamar Odom, Malcolm Brogdon, and Manu Ginobili were all multi-year starters before agreeing to come off the bench and becoming a 6MOY.
Green has to be willing to take that role. He may think he is Kobe, but he isn't. Certain players just play a great role in that, and when green is hot, he is ideal in that type of role.
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If Tari ever gets healthy, he should immediately displaced Green in the starting lineup. In fact, all of this attention on Green might be the perfect situation to allow Tari to properly develop.
Pour one out for a legendary 1980s Rocket and a really class act.
Bobby Joe Reid went home to be with the Lord on February 19th at age 68. Among other things, I remember Reid for having to go head to head vs. Larry Bird in the Rockets' two FInals appearances in the 80s.
Bobby Joe Reid went home to be with the Lord on February 19th at age 68. Among other things, I remember Reid for having to go head to head vs. Larry Bird in the Rockets' two FInals appearances in the 80s.
The Fertitta Family and the Houston Rockets are deeply saddened by the passing of former player, Robert Reid, whose contributions were instrumental in guiding the Houston Rockets to their first two NBA Finals appearances in 1980-81 and 1985-86. pic.twitter.com/6fc5dyLqDA
— Houston Rockets (@HoustonRockets) February 20, 2024
Nice win. Felt like we needed something good to happen.
Swapping Amen into the starting lineup for Jalen Green feels inevitable.
OKC uniforms remind me of laundry detergent. It looks like they should say "Tide" across the front.
Have to trade green this off season. Unless he changes
Ags #1 said:
Have to trade green this off season. Unless he changes
He is a good basketball player but he is not a competitor.
Yeah so trade him? I mean he sure seems to be who he is at this point
Ags #1 said:
Yeah so trade him? I mean he sure seems to be who he is at this point
Yes. Trade him but do it while he has some value.
It's crazy that Green's FG% and 3pt% has declined 3 straight years.
He has already lost a ton of value. Anyone who trades for him now will be looking to buy low. We probably won't get a meaningful return for him, so the best outcome might be to readjust our internal expectations for his role on the team.
I've said it a billion times, but they desperately need to move him to the bench. Its insane that he hasn't played a single game in his career off the bench given his poor fundamentals. The Rockets need to give him the opportunity to actually EARN his minutes. They won't know if he has a "winner's mentality" unless they put some adversity in his path. He also won't become a better (more efficient) player until he learns how to cherish his opportunities.
Likewise, the team cannot grow if we keep pretending like he is going to magically morph into Kobe Bryant. We need our first unit to establish a clear defensive identity, which we can't do with both Green and Sengun on the floor. Amen (or Tari when healthy) really should be starting if Udoka is serious about changing the culture of the team.
Udoka has actually played Amen more minutes per game than Jalen this month (28.5 vs 27.9) due to Fred's injury. He just needs to be brave enough to make the right decision to bench Jalen.
I've said it a billion times, but they desperately need to move him to the bench. Its insane that he hasn't played a single game in his career off the bench given his poor fundamentals. The Rockets need to give him the opportunity to actually EARN his minutes. They won't know if he has a "winner's mentality" unless they put some adversity in his path. He also won't become a better (more efficient) player until he learns how to cherish his opportunities.
Likewise, the team cannot grow if we keep pretending like he is going to magically morph into Kobe Bryant. We need our first unit to establish a clear defensive identity, which we can't do with both Green and Sengun on the floor. Amen (or Tari when healthy) really should be starting if Udoka is serious about changing the culture of the team.
Udoka has actually played Amen more minutes per game than Jalen this month (28.5 vs 27.9) due to Fred's injury. He just needs to be brave enough to make the right decision to bench Jalen.
Will be interesting to see what they do with the roster in the off season. Plus 2 high draft picks coming in. Edit I guess okc gets our pick unless it's top 4
This is all fine and dandy but the team adjusting their expectations only goes as far as his attitude. He has already said he isn't a bench guy. He doesn't try hard, except for when he wants to on occasion. You have to trade him and remove the cancer. Only then can the rest grow.AG@RICE said:
He has already lost a ton of value. Anyone who trades for him now will be looking to buy low. We probably won't get a meaningful return for him, so the best outcome might be to readjust our internal expectations for his role on the team.
I've said it a billion times, but they desperately need to move him to the bench. Its insane that he hasn't played a single game in his career off the bench given his poor fundamentals. The Rockets need to give him the opportunity to actually EARN his minutes. They won't know if he has a "winner's mentality" unless they put some adversity in his path. He also won't become a better (more efficient) player until he learns how to cherish his opportunities.
Likewise, the team cannot grow if we keep pretending like he is going to magically morph into Kobe Bryant. We need our first unit to establish a clear defensive identity, which we can't do with both Green and Sengun on the floor. Amen (or Tari when healthy) really should be starting if Udoka is serious about changing the culture of the team.
Udoka has actually played Amen more minutes per game than Jalen this month (28.5 vs 27.9) due to Fred's injury. He just needs to be brave enough to make the right decision to bench Jalen.
CP3 talking about how awful Daryl Morey is
The bit about his personality doesn't surprise me in the slightest
CFTXAG10 said:
The bit about his personality doesn't surprise me in the slightest
This summer will be interesting to watch because the only player in Philly with a guaranteed contact is the injury prone Embiid.
How much do players trust Morey?
Maybe he isn't a cancer, but an ingrown toenail. It seems all painful and angry, but if you just cut it back everything will be fine.
Another guy who seems injury prone imo. Not built for the nba. Package him and jalen for luka
Tari Eason is going to have surgery on Monday, per Ime Udoka.
There was a benign growth on his lower leg bone that Coach says was pre-existing, but flared up due to getting hit.
Out for four months.
Tari Eason is going to have surgery on Monday, per Ime Udoka.
There was a benign growth on his lower leg bone that Coach says was pre-existing, but flared up due to getting hit.
Out for four months.
Love Green getting Beal ejected.
Beal hits Jalen Green twice with the ball..
— Bradeaux (@BradeauxNBA) March 3, 2024
No flinch. https://t.co/RT1fH3Ybyu pic.twitter.com/lmv0alE5XG
Nice to see Jalen with a little fire.
WES2006AG said:
Nice to see Jalen with a little fire.
Being mentored by Brooks?
Beal should be suspended imo.
Sun's probably welcome that because then they don't have to give him as much money for that overpaid stiff
Sengun
Holy sht what a pass.Ryan34 said:
Sengun
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The Turkish Dream shake.
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