Philly doesn't even play Buddy Hield. I wonder if they'd hand him over for a bag of churros

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Philly doesn't even play Buddy Hield. I wonder if they'd hand him over for a bag of churros

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He's a free agent. But I'd be willing to entertain a Churro for Cheesesteak trade.

seven 2024 free agents the san antonio spurs should try to aquire this offseason, a thread: pic.twitter.com/z8umgjt5kO

— Matt Lerma (@MattLerma_PS) April 29, 2024

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seven 2024 free agents the san antonio spurs should try to aquire this offseason, a thread: pic.twitter.com/z8umgjt5kO

— Matt Lerma (@MattLerma_PS) April 29, 2024

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Hard to take a list serious when they want us to go after PG13 and give Patrick Williams 20M/year

Someone on reddit was promoting Patrick Williams too.

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Someone on reddit was promoting Patrick Williams too.

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Yeah, I responded there. They were saying we should offer this guy 23M/year. Look at this trash. That's Devin Vassel-type money.

https://craftednba.com/players/patrick-williams

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/4/30/24145054/point-guard-field-guide-2024-nba-playoffs

New Ringer article about the various types of PGs.

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Someone on reddit was promoting Patrick Williams too.

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Yeah, I responded there. They were saying we should offer this guy 23M/year. Look at this trash. That's Devin Vassel-type money.

https://craftednba.com/players/patrick-williams

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The irony is Williams and Vassell were college teammates. Williams was drafted higher but Vassell has clearly been a better player and deserved his contract. Williams didn't get that from the Bulls because he hasn't been good enough. My theory is Williams hasn't agreed to a lesser contract because he's jealous of his former teammate.

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Someone on reddit was promoting Patrick Williams too.

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Yeah, I responded there. They were saying we should offer this guy 23M/year. Look at this trash. That's Devin Vassel-type money.

https://craftednba.com/players/patrick-williams

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The irony is Williams and Vassell were college teammates. Williams was drafted higher but Vassell has clearly been a better player and deserved his contract. Williams didn't get that from the Bulls because he hasn't been good enough. My theory is Williams hasn't agreed to a lesser contract because he's jealous of his former teammate.

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I don't know if it is jealousy, but he was apparently demanding $20M/year. That's insane for a guy that is 10/4 every year, except for the years he was 9/4.

He's a sub-mid level player. His defense isn't good, his rebounding isn't good, his passing isn't good, and he is not that versatile. He can basically only guard PFs and some SF, and he doesn't even do that well.

I don't think he ever becomes more than a bench stretch 4. And a mediocre one at that since he doesn't defend, pass, or rebound.

It seems like we dodged a bullet. From what I remember, the Spurs were high on Williams. But then again, it's the spurs so you never know the truth in those reports.

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It seems like we dodged a bullet. From what I remember, the Spurs were high on Williams. But then again, it's the spurs so you never know the truth in those reports.

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Yeah, I think so. I can see us liking him - he was being compared to guys like Kawhi and Millsap as an explosive athlete and defensive wing/pf. Shot 84% from the line, so he would develop a great shot, right?

Funnny enough, he averaged 9/4 at FSU - basically the same as all 4 years with the bulls.

I can see the Spurs liking him. Great athlete, long wingspan, prospect of high level defense and shooting - seems like Spurs qualities.

Glad we landed Vassell. I remember wanting Deni and then thinking Deni was a huge bust. Would love to have him as our SF now.

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It seems like we dodged a bullet. From what I remember, the Spurs were high on Williams. But then again, it's the spurs so you never know the truth in those reports.

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Yeah, I think so. I can see us liking him - he was being compared to guys like Kawhi and Millsap as an explosive athlete and defensive wing/pf. Shot 84% from the line, so he would develop a great shot, right?

Funnny enough, he averaged 9/4 at FSU - basically the same as all 4 years with the bulls.

I can see the Spurs liking him. Great athlete, long wingspan, prospect of high level defense and shooting - seems like Spurs qualities.

Glad we landed Vassell. I remember wanting Deni and then thinking Deni was a huge bust. Would love to have him as our SF now.

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Yea. Vassell would go much higher in a redraft. Also, looks better with the weird regression Hali has had.

Nah, this is the craziest video I've ever seen pic.twitter.com/FdyonJviYz

— Spurs Culture (@SpursCulture) May 1, 2024

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Nah, this is the craziest video I've ever seen pic.twitter.com/FdyonJviYz

— Spurs Culture (@SpursCulture) May 1, 2024

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Vid title should be "Nope". Player after player looks at the rim, sees Victor lurking and nopes out.

Here's your Tim Duncan stat of the day:

In the 2003 Finals, Duncan had the same amount of points as David Robinson, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, and Steve Kerr combined.

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Nah, this is the craziest video I've ever seen pic.twitter.com/FdyonJviYz

— Spurs Culture (@SpursCulture) May 1, 2024

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This is what sticks out about watching Wemby live more so than on tv. The amount of shots that don't even get attempted just because he's within the vicinity is unreal.

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Nah, this is the craziest video I've ever seen pic.twitter.com/FdyonJviYz

— Spurs Culture (@SpursCulture) May 1, 2024

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This is what sticks out about watching Wemby live more so than on tv. The amount of shots that don't even get attempted just because he's within the vicinity is unreal.

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The Spurs need to have someone create a stat about it and make it the centerpiece of the DPOY campaign.

"Drives aborted"

Wemby could have like 1.5 steals, 4 deflections, 4 blocks, and 6 drives aborted per game next year.

God, if only.

Litlte Robbie Dillingham signed with Klutch Sports.

He posted this three weeks ago.

https://instagr.am/p/C4qhe4tpDRy

Man, he is going to get hunted like a white tail in November.

Found his measurements at OTE last summer.

6'0.75 barefoot
6'5 wingspan
159lbs (now 172 according to his S&C coach)
7.5" hand length
8" hand width

Parker at 19...

Yes, I agree. Tony Parker was taller and stronger than Dillingham.

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Yes, I agree. Tony Parker was taller and stronger than Dillingham.

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I get that you don't like Dillingham but it's actually not a bad comparison. At 19, Parker was not a finished product. He wasn't a good defender and he wasn't a good 3 point shooter. He turned into a HOF player.
I don't know if Dillingham is the right pick, but if the Spurs decide to draft him, it's because they see someone that can become a star. They have a pretty good track record of developing players.
In some ways I think Dillingham has the most upside in a draft where everybody has question marks.

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Yes, I agree. Tony Parker was taller and stronger than Dillingham.

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I get that you don't like Dillingham but it's actually not a bad comparison. At 19, Parker was not a finished product. He wasn't a good defender and he wasn't a good 3 point shooter. He turned into a HOF player.
I don't know if Dillingham is the right pick, but if the Spurs decide to draft him, it's because they see someone that can become a star. They have a pretty good track record of developing players.
In some ways I think Dillingham has the most upside in a draft where everybody has question marks.

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The game has changed and a guard the size of Parker is the exception, not the rule now.

In previous years, players were listed with shoes on, so these heights and weights will likely be a bit inflated. Now, players are listed barefoot.

Last summer Rob Dillingham was measured at 6'0.75" and 159lbs at OTE camp. His hands were 7.5" long and 8.0" wide, so he has tony hands, too.

Kidd was considered a massive PG at 6'4 205 when Parker was drafted. But let us look at the top 20 players in assists when Parker was drafted.

Kidd 6'4 205
Stockton 6'1 170
NVE 6'1 170
Bibby 6'1 190
Payton 6'4 180
Mark Jackson 6'1 180
Andre Miller 6'3 200
Cassell 6'3 185
Starbury 6'2 180
Terrell Brandon 5'11 180
Baron 6'3 209
Nash 6'3 195
Darrell Armstrong 6'0 170
Mookie 6'0 180
Franchise 6'3 195
Hardaway 6'0 175
Travis Best 5'11 182
Jalen Rose 6'8 210
Damon Stoudamire 5'10 171
Jeff McInnis 6'4 190

Most of these guys then were about 6'-6'1 and 180 lbs.

How about this season?

Tyrese Haliburton 6'5 185
Luka 6'7 230
Jokic 6'11 284
James Harden 6'5 220
LeBron James 6'9 250
Sabonis 6'10 240
FVV 6'0 197
MotorCade 6'6 220
Tyus Jones 6'1 196
Dame 6'2 195
Booker 6'6 206
Paul 6'0 175
Brunson 6'2 190 (was 198.4 at combine)
Giannis 6'11 242
Jamal Murray 6'4 215
DeJounte 6'5 180
DLo 6'3 190
SGA 6'6 180
Tre Jones 6'1 185
Maxey 6'2 200

What you notice about the PGs in the league now is that guys like the Jones brothers are exceptions, not the rules. Maxey is a similar height, but way stronger and more physical.

It would be one thing if we were talking about a guy coming into the league with a hard nosed, tough defense in college that happened to be undersized - like Tre Jones. Tre was ACC DPOY and twice All-Defensive team in college.

But we are talking about a Rob, who is guy that put in no effort on defense and would just give up on a play when screened. That is not a Spurs player.

The NBA now looks for short, low-effort guys and constantly hunts them on defense - this never happened the way it does now when Parker was drafted. That is what will happen with Dillingham. Every team's offensive strategy his entire career will be to get Rob on him and burn the F out of him. So you are going to have to pair him with a SG like Suggs or Caruso - but we have Devin.

His peak is going to be a offensive sparkplug off the bench. If you watch his scoring, he was getting buckets by posting guys up in college and doing all kinds of things, were great at those levels, but are completely irrelevant in the NBA, because he can't post up anyone.

And it is not like he was this overwhelming, generational playmaker/passer like Trae Young. He was second or third for Kentucky after Reed Sheppard and maybe DJ Wagner (who started over him.)

Tell me - who is the last 1st round pick the Spurs had that had question marks like "Completely quits on defense when screened" and "Is so small, will be picked on constantly by other teams."

Since Parker was drafted, the three smallest 1st round picks we have had were:

Beno Udrih: 6'3 205
CoJo : 6'2 200
Malaki Branham 6'4 190

If you look at the last ten years of Pop drafting, Branham is the smallest player we have tanked and he is 6'4 with a 6'10 wingspan.

An undersized player that doesn't even give effort is really not a Spurs thing at all. Pop regularly talks about positionless and even tried to make Sochan a PG so that we could go bigger across the board.

I just don't see any possible way that Dilligham would even be on Pop's draft board.

Yea. I think size is just way too important in today's game, particularly for the playoffs. Brunson and Maxey are exceptions but I think the deeper those guys would go, the more trouble they would have. I'd much rather roll the dice with Castle, even if he ends up not panning out as a PG. I think he could have Josh Hart floor.

This draft is so hard to predict because no one is certain who's going #1 yet. I have no inside knowledge to back this up, but I feel like the Spurs are probably gonna go the safer route rather than taking a guy with a higher boom/bust potential. I really think if Risacher is there, he'll be the pick.

Brunson and Maxey are both like 25lbs heavier than Dillingham, too.

It is one thing to have a small guard like Tre Jones. it is another thing to have a small guard that puts in no effort on defense. I don't see the Spurs using a top 5 pick on a guy that puts in no effort on defense. It isn't like Dillingham was a transcendant college player. He wasn't the best shooter (Reed and Reeves) or the best passer (Reed and maybe DJ Wagner) or the best scorer (Reeves) on his own team.

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This draft is so hard to predict because no one is certain who's going #1 yet. I have no inside knowledge to back this up, but I feel like the Spurs are probably gonna go the safer route rather than taking a guy with a higher boom/bust potential. I really think if Risacher is there, he'll be the pick.

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Zac's looking better his last few games. Oh look, and Wright is in France.

I think Sarr, Risacher, Reed, and Castle are all safer picks.

8 days away from the lottery.

Guitarsoup said:

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This draft is so hard to predict because no one is certain who's going #1 yet. I have no inside knowledge to back this up, but I feel like the Spurs are probably gonna go the safer route rather than taking a guy with a higher boom/bust potential. I really think if Risacher is there, he'll be the pick.

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Zac's looking better his last few games. Oh look, and Wright is in France.

I think Sarr, Risacher, Reed, and Castle are all safer picks.

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Agreed. I'd throw Cody Williams in that group too.

I also think how we approach the draft depends on what happens with the lottery. If we end up with 2 top 10 picks, then maybe we swing big on one and go safe with the other. If that happens I could see us taking a swing on a guy like Topic or Buzellis with one of our picks and then one of the guys just mentioned with the other.

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West Texan said:

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This draft is so hard to predict because no one is certain who's going #1 yet. I have no inside knowledge to back this up, but I feel like the Spurs are probably gonna go the safer route rather than taking a guy with a higher boom/bust potential. I really think if Risacher is there, he'll be the pick.

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Zac's looking better his last few games. Oh look, and Wright is in France.

I think Sarr, Risacher, Reed, and Castle are all safer picks.

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Agreed. I'd throw Cody Williams in that group too.

I also think how we approach the draft depends on what happens with the lottery. If we end up with 2 top 10 picks, then maybe we swing big on one and go safe with the other. If that happens I could see us taking a swing on a guy like Topic or Buzellis with one of our picks and then one of the guys just mentioned with the other.

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I'm not high on Topic, either, because he is super ball dominant, he can't play off ball, and puts no effort in defense other than trying to jump passing lanes, which is a Spurs no no.

The NBA is doing a thing now where the top ten players are all ranked. Cody Williams didn't make top ten.

What the thing is is that players were denying teams their medical records and workouts if they didn't want to be drafted by them.

Now the top ten prospects are ranked by the 30 GMs, then are placed in three tiers based on responses.

#1 overall is top tier, and that was Sarr. His medical goes out to the top 10 teams.

#2 tier is Buzelias, Clingan, Castle, Topic, Risacher. (in no particular order) Their medical goes to top 15 teams.

#3 tier is Holland, Dilly, Knecht, and Sheppard. Their results go to 1-25.

Matas is higher than I would have thought. A lot of people are high on Knecht, but I just see him as Tennessee DougMcBuckets.

So it was interesting that Cody was left out completely.

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West Texan said:

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This draft is so hard to predict because no one is certain who's going #1 yet. I have no inside knowledge to back this up, but I feel like the Spurs are probably gonna go the safer route rather than taking a guy with a higher boom/bust potential. I really think if Risacher is there, he'll be the pick.

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Zac's looking better his last few games. Oh look, and Wright is in France.

I think Sarr, Risacher, Reed, and Castle are all safer picks.

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Agreed. I'd throw Cody Williams in that group too.

I also think how we approach the draft depends on what happens with the lottery. If we end up with 2 top 10 picks, then maybe we swing big on one and go safe with the other. If that happens I could see us taking a swing on a guy like Topic or Buzellis with one of our picks and then one of the guys just mentioned with the other.

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I'm not high on Topic, either, because he is super ball dominant, he can't play off ball, and puts no effort in defense other than trying to jump passing lanes, which is a Spurs no no.

The NBA is doing a thing now where the top ten players are all ranked. Cody Williams didn't make top ten.

What the thing is is that players were denying teams their medical records and workouts if they didn't want to be drafted by them.

Now the top ten prospects are ranked by the 30 GMs, then are placed in three tiers based on responses.

#1 overall is top tier, and that was Sarr. His medical goes out to the top 10 teams.

#2 tier is Buzelias, Clingan, Castle, Topic, Risacher. (in no particular order) Their medical goes to top 15 teams.

#3 tier is Holland, Dilly, Knecht, and Sheppard. Their results go to 1-25.

Matas is higher than I would have thought. A lot of people are high on Knecht, but I just see him as Tennessee DougMcBuckets.

So it was interesting that Cody was left out completely.

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Surprising that Williams was left out of that group. My guess with Buzelis is teams are buying into all the tools and potential that his jumper can become more reliable.

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West Texan said:

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This draft is so hard to predict because no one is certain who's going #1 yet. I have no inside knowledge to back this up, but I feel like the Spurs are probably gonna go the safer route rather than taking a guy with a higher boom/bust potential. I really think if Risacher is there, he'll be the pick.

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Zac's looking better his last few games. Oh look, and Wright is in France.

I think Sarr, Risacher, Reed, and Castle are all safer picks.

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Agreed. I'd throw Cody Williams in that group too.

I also think how we approach the draft depends on what happens with the lottery. If we end up with 2 top 10 picks, then maybe we swing big on one and go safe with the other. If that happens I could see us taking a swing on a guy like Topic or Buzellis with one of our picks and then one of the guys just mentioned with the other.

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I'm not high on Topic, either, because he is super ball dominant, he can't play off ball, and puts no effort in defense other than trying to jump passing lanes, which is a Spurs no no.

The NBA is doing a thing now where the top ten players are all ranked. Cody Williams didn't make top ten.

What the thing is is that players were denying teams their medical records and workouts if they didn't want to be drafted by them.

Now the top ten prospects are ranked by the 30 GMs, then are placed in three tiers based on responses.

#1 overall is top tier, and that was Sarr. His medical goes out to the top 10 teams.

#2 tier is Buzelias, Clingan, Castle, Topic, Risacher. (in no particular order) Their medical goes to top 15 teams.

#3 tier is Holland, Dilly, Knecht, and Sheppard. Their results go to 1-25.

Matas is higher than I would have thought. A lot of people are high on Knecht, but I just see him as Tennessee DougMcBuckets.

So it was interesting that Cody was left out completely.

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Surprising that Williams was left out of that group. My guess with Buzelis is teams are buying into all the tools and potential that his jumper can become more reliable.

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6'10 guys with potential of playmaking passing are hard to come by.

My worry is that he will be too slow to guard wings and too weak to guard posts. He does seem to have a lot of fire in his belly and wants to be a competitor. That's always a good thing. Definitely one to watch at the combine and in interviews. But if he has to guard bigger players only, being paired up with Sochan isn't an awful thing.

I do wonder how good our rebounding would be with him and Sochan, though.

Cody kind of surprised me, because it seemed like he was at least decent at shooting, scoring, passing, POA defense, and was tall with long arms.

I'm not real familiar with Buzelis but I did see that in high school he had pretty good shooting stats and this year he was pretty bad. Any idea why? Just better competition or something else.

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I'm not real familiar with Buzelis but I did see that in high school he had pretty good shooting stats and this year he was pretty bad. Any idea why? Just better competition or something else.

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I have a hard time taking anything for Ignite seriously because it was such a trash team. Ignite was just awful for the players and probably set several back multiple years in development.

This guy does a decent job on his videos of different players. Even if you don't like his commentary, you can just mute it and watch the clips he puts together. They are all organized logically.