Especially with Kat, Gobert, and Ant all in foul trouble. Take it to the rim.Infection_Ag11 said:M.C. Swag said:
Need Lively back
Gafford was great defensively, and Lively wasnt stopping those late game threes.
Luka and Kyrie going super passive in the final 5 minutes was bizarre. Neither were really looking to score much.
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We were due for one of those Luka games where he was way too passive and avoided getting in to the paint and to the rim. He needs to attack downhill and score 50 next game.
HawthornAggie said:
I will say, the Hardy and Exum minutes were fantastic offensively
I still don't understand why we didn't see Hardy again. We needed that hot hand on a bad kyrie night
I dunno, he was getting in the paint. He just decided to stop trying to score in the paint in the 4th for some reason. and it wasnt like he was passing to guys that were wide open, a lot of times he was forcing PJ or Jones to try to drive past peopleshack009 said:
We were due for one of those Luka games where he was way too passive and avoided getting in to the paint and to the rim. He needs to attack downhill and score 50 next game.
but we definitely struggle if Luka and Kyrie both have that issue in the same game, its crazy we almost won it with them doing that AND Lively out.
Yeah I just meant avoided shooting as much as he should. They were allowing him to rise up from 5-8 feet and shoot. He needs to shoot every time. They are covering the corners well enough when he gets in the paint. He wants to pass because he'd rather have a triple double than 40 points.
Now we have to listen to clowns try to make more of this than it is
Nobody has lost 4 in a row while being up 3-0.
We good
We good
Anybody notice Dwight Powell did not play again after those early minutes? Good job by Kidd to see what was what early on.
Where was Hardaway? I thought he was back from injury but dont recall seeing him tonight.
JTA1029 said:
Where was Hardaway? I thought he was back from injury but dont recall seeing him tonight.
Hardy has taken his minutes. Hardaway is not good and hopefully (likely) not on the team in a few months.
I love luka's ability to get others involved but today ot was too much. He looked terrified to shoot at the rim and i'm not sure why
Kyrie was just plain bad
Kyrie was just plain bad
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Mavs intentionally extending the series so Luka can’t have 9 days off and gain 15 pounds, chess not checkers
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Wouldn't hit so close to home if it weren't true.
He's had a few games like that this playoffs. The good news is he comes out in attack mode at he game after.
Been reflecting on what could only be described as a disappointing game and have a couple of thoughts.
(1) I'm convinced that was the best Minnesota can play. They were extremely aggressive on defense, the sag was working without Lively in there, and they were disrupting the lanes. KAT finally got hot from deep and Edwards was going. The team shot 46% from three, a full 10 points better than they averaged in the regular season.
(2) I'm convinced that was the worst Dallas can play on offense. Luka got in his emotions early when it was clear the refs were going to let Minnesota run through screens and aggressively body check. He looked absolutely exhausted late in the 3rd and 4th and got passive when it came to trying to score. Too many passes for my taste. Kyrie was off; it was ugly. He just didn't have his shot at all. The team also seemingly forgot how to rebound for long stretches.
(3) Given nos. 1 and 2 above, Dallas had the lead with 6 to play, and they had a chance to win in the end that was pretty much thrown away with a bad Kyrie play.
(4) Gafford is a drop off from Lively on the offensive side of the ball, but man he was a beast in the middle on defense. They only credited him with 3 blocks, but it felt like 14. There were a couple of plays that went completely under the radar by the national crew. With about 10 mins left in the game and the mavs down five, Gafford tapped the ball away from Edwards in the lane. Luka recovered it, ran the floor, and hit DJJ for a thunder oop. Conley brings the ball back up, Edwards gets it at the top and tries to sky for an answer dunk, and Gafford blocked him and put him on his ass. You could hear Edwards scream like Monica Seles on the coverage.
(5) The Mavs still haven't put together a great game this series. As where Minnesota's best game against one of Dallas' worst resulted in a close 5 point loss, it feels like Dallas could beat them by 20 at any point if the shots are falling.
(1) I'm convinced that was the best Minnesota can play. They were extremely aggressive on defense, the sag was working without Lively in there, and they were disrupting the lanes. KAT finally got hot from deep and Edwards was going. The team shot 46% from three, a full 10 points better than they averaged in the regular season.
(2) I'm convinced that was the worst Dallas can play on offense. Luka got in his emotions early when it was clear the refs were going to let Minnesota run through screens and aggressively body check. He looked absolutely exhausted late in the 3rd and 4th and got passive when it came to trying to score. Too many passes for my taste. Kyrie was off; it was ugly. He just didn't have his shot at all. The team also seemingly forgot how to rebound for long stretches.
(3) Given nos. 1 and 2 above, Dallas had the lead with 6 to play, and they had a chance to win in the end that was pretty much thrown away with a bad Kyrie play.
(4) Gafford is a drop off from Lively on the offensive side of the ball, but man he was a beast in the middle on defense. They only credited him with 3 blocks, but it felt like 14. There were a couple of plays that went completely under the radar by the national crew. With about 10 mins left in the game and the mavs down five, Gafford tapped the ball away from Edwards in the lane. Luka recovered it, ran the floor, and hit DJJ for a thunder oop. Conley brings the ball back up, Edwards gets it at the top and tries to sky for an answer dunk, and Gafford blocked him and put him on his ass. You could hear Edwards scream like Monica Seles on the coverage.
(5) The Mavs still haven't put together a great game this series. As where Minnesota's best game against one of Dallas' worst resulted in a close 5 point loss, it feels like Dallas could beat them by 20 at any point if the shots are falling.
The Finals can't start until the 6th. The Nba wasn't going to shutdown everything for a full week.
Grapesoda2525 said:
Nobody has lost 4 in a row while being up 3-0.
We good
For this series.
What I don't like is the injury risk.
Given how fortunate the Celtics have been in playing teams with injuries, I just don't like the potential outcome that a starter for Dallas gets injured playing in a Game 5 to take the gentlemen's sweep (and yes, Boston has dealt with the Porzingis injury).
just please win game 5
I completely agree and "disappointing" is a good word to use. Minnesota led in almost every important statistical category and still barely won. Notably, they shot almost 11% better than us both from the field and from 3. They also took 4 more FTs.
Luka, Kyrie, and PJ shot a combined 31% from the field. Most of our other role guys had good enough games to win.
I'm not going to say I am worried yet, but by letting this one slip they have allowed a little doubt to creep in. They better shut it down in Game 5, otherwise they will really start to feel the pressure in Game 6.
Luka, Kyrie, and PJ shot a combined 31% from the field. Most of our other role guys had good enough games to win.
I'm not going to say I am worried yet, but by letting this one slip they have allowed a little doubt to creep in. They better shut it down in Game 5, otherwise they will really start to feel the pressure in Game 6.
Gobert is going to get someone on the Mavs hurt. He is playing extremely dirty. There is also Towns who is unafraid to knee people below the belt or send an elbow to a face. We need to play as few games against this team as possible.Iowaggie said:Grapesoda2525 said:
Nobody has lost 4 in a row while being up 3-0.
We good
For this series.
What I don't like is the injury risk.
Given how fortunate the Celtics have been in playing teams with injuries, I just don't like the potential outcome that a starter for Dallas gets injured playing in a Game 5 to take the gentlemen's sweep (and yes, Boston has dealt with the Porzingis injury).
PJ needs to wake the hell up as well. Dude has been a ghost compared to last series aside from a few corner 3s and floaters. Still questioning why we went away from the hot hand in Hardy last night when Kyrie was clearly a little bit off and we stalled on offense late 3rd, early 4th.
Maxi played pretty damn well considering it's his first game back. If he'd have made some 3s, would've been series over easily.
Maxi played pretty damn well considering it's his first game back. If he'd have made some 3s, would've been series over easily.
You think there is a world where we sit Kyrie for Hardy in crunch time? Or did you mean earlier in the game?zgolfz85 said:
PJ needs to wake the hell up as well. Dude has been a ghost compared to last series aside from a few corner 3s and floaters. Still questioning why we went away from the hot hand in Hardy last night when Kyrie was clearly a little bit off and we stalled on offense late 3rd, early 4th.
Maxi played pretty damn well considering it's his first game back. If he'd have made some 3s, would've been series over easily.
Maybe he means letting Hardy go a little longer to start the 4th and give Kyrie a little longer rest. It is a weird conundrum because Hardy had played so well that you thought he deserved to be out there, but there is no way you are sitting Kyrie to let Hardy close the game. It isn't at all like the Naz Reid-KAT situation where you can play whichever guy is hotter late in the game.PatAg said:You think there is a world where we sit Kyrie for Hardy in crunch time? Or did you mean earlier in the game?zgolfz85 said:
PJ needs to wake the hell up as well. Dude has been a ghost compared to last series aside from a few corner 3s and floaters. Still questioning why we went away from the hot hand in Hardy last night when Kyrie was clearly a little bit off and we stalled on offense late 3rd, early 4th.
Maxi played pretty damn well considering it's his first game back. If he'd have made some 3s, would've been series over easily.
I wonder if both Hardy and Exum will cut in to Josh Green's minutes. Any time Josh Green is screened he is out of the play. It's so hard to watch him that I don't think he should be playing as much as he did.
Also 34 minutes for DJJ is not enough. He should play every minute Ant is playing.
Ant was a +7 and DJJ was a +3, so there were minutes where DJJ was on the floor when Ant wasn't, which is just weird. Especially because DJJ played 6 less minutes than Ant. We are talking about probably 8-10 minutes with Ant on the floor where our best defender isn't guarding him. That has to change.
Ant was a +7 and DJJ was a +3, so there were minutes where DJJ was on the floor when Ant wasn't, which is just weird. Especially because DJJ played 6 less minutes than Ant. We are talking about probably 8-10 minutes with Ant on the floor where our best defender isn't guarding him. That has to change.
PatAg said:You think there is a world where we sit Kyrie for Hardy in crunch time? Or did you mean earlier in the game?zgolfz85 said:
PJ needs to wake the hell up as well. Dude has been a ghost compared to last series aside from a few corner 3s and floaters. Still questioning why we went away from the hot hand in Hardy last night when Kyrie was clearly a little bit off and we stalled on offense late 3rd, early 4th.
Maxi played pretty damn well considering it's his first game back. If he'd have made some 3s, would've been series over easily.
Why does every ****ing post have to be so contrarian with you bro. Ffs. I meant we should have seen some more Hardy mins in any way shape or form after he was clearly a hot hand. I'm not proposing Hardy over Kyrie. Hardy didn't see the floor mysteriously after going off in the early 3rd. We could've really used a few buckets from him later in the 3rd and early 4th to get us to closing time.
If you haven't listened to yesterday's 8:40 bit with Michael Irvin numerology I highly recommend it.
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Law of averages suggest that the Mavs will get the game they need, but in most cases a 3-0 series lead occurs because one team is dominant. That just isn't the case here, both teams seem very evenly matched. Maybe even edge to Wolves if Lively is out. The Mavs aren't going to panic, but just because no one has lost a 3-0 series lead before isn't that meaningful here. The Mavs are going to have to earn that 4th win and it will have to be Kyrie/Luke to carry them through. The Wolves are mentally tough and won't be giving anything away, so credit to them.
At least the Mavericks have 3 more games to get that win…
That's why I'm saying why don't we play Markeif some early minutes as an enforcer? Send a message. Literally knock someone down. He's a dude that could at least draw a double tech.shack009 said:Gobert is going to get someone on the Mavs hurt. He is playing extremely dirty. There is also Towns who is unafraid to knee people below the belt or send an elbow to a face. We need to play as few games against this team as possible.Iowaggie said:Grapesoda2525 said:
Nobody has lost 4 in a row while being up 3-0.
We good
For this series.
What I don't like is the injury risk.
Given how fortunate the Celtics have been in playing teams with injuries, I just don't like the potential outcome that a starter for Dallas gets injured playing in a Game 5 to take the gentlemen's sweep (and yes, Boston has dealt with the Porzingis injury).
NoahAg said:That's why I'm saying why don't we play Markeif some early minutes as an enforcer? Send a message. Literally knock someone down. He's a dude that could at least draw a double tech.shack009 said:Gobert is going to get someone on the Mavs hurt. He is playing extremely dirty. There is also Towns who is unafraid to knee people below the belt or send an elbow to a face. We need to play as few games against this team as possible.Iowaggie said:Grapesoda2525 said:
Nobody has lost 4 in a row while being up 3-0.
We good
For this series.
What I don't like is the injury risk.
Given how fortunate the Celtics have been in playing teams with injuries, I just don't like the potential outcome that a starter for Dallas gets injured playing in a Game 5 to take the gentlemen's sweep (and yes, Boston has dealt with the Porzingis injury).
This. We have Rudy medicine just sitting there cheerleading.
The margins in these games are too thin to be giving away points like that lol. But I get what you are saying.NoahAg said:That's why I'm saying why don't we play Markeif some early minutes as an enforcer? Send a message. Literally knock someone down. He's a dude that could at least draw a double tech.shack009 said:Gobert is going to get someone on the Mavs hurt. He is playing extremely dirty. There is also Towns who is unafraid to knee people below the belt or send an elbow to a face. We need to play as few games against this team as possible.Iowaggie said:Grapesoda2525 said:
Nobody has lost 4 in a row while being up 3-0.
We good
For this series.
What I don't like is the injury risk.
Given how fortunate the Celtics have been in playing teams with injuries, I just don't like the potential outcome that a starter for Dallas gets injured playing in a Game 5 to take the gentlemen's sweep (and yes, Boston has dealt with the Porzingis injury).
We definitely learned that Powell can't play in this series. Looks like they are bringing Maxi back really slowly, he only played 13 minutes. That probably goes up a little. There seems to be good whispers about Lively playing in the next game.
God forbid it gets to Game 6, we are talking about Maxi's third game back and Lively either returning or in his 2nd game back. Which means a fully healthy Mavs team.
Not nearly enough driving when Minnesota's big 3 were all in foul trouble. Hardy could have been the difference maker.Infection_Ag11 said:M.C. Swag said:
Need Lively back
Gafford was great defensively, and Lively wasnt stopping those late game threes.
Luka and Kyrie going super passive in the final 5 minutes was bizarre. Neither were really looking to score much.
I thought we drove a couple times and Gobert did a nice job of staying vertical and forced some misses. Not sure why he doesn't play like that throughout the game.NoahAg said:Not nearly enough driving when Minnesota's big 3 were all in foul trouble. Hardy could have been the difference maker.Infection_Ag11 said:M.C. Swag said:
Need Lively back
Gafford was great defensively, and Lively wasnt stopping those late game threes.
Luka and Kyrie going super passive in the final 5 minutes was bizarre. Neither were really looking to score much.
You seem to have just ignored the 2nd part of my post.zgolfz85 said:PatAg said:You think there is a world where we sit Kyrie for Hardy in crunch time? Or did you mean earlier in the game?zgolfz85 said:
PJ needs to wake the hell up as well. Dude has been a ghost compared to last series aside from a few corner 3s and floaters. Still questioning why we went away from the hot hand in Hardy last night when Kyrie was clearly a little bit off and we stalled on offense late 3rd, early 4th.
Maxi played pretty damn well considering it's his first game back. If he'd have made some 3s, would've been series over easily.
Why does every ****ing post have to be so contrarian with you bro. Ffs. I meant we should have seen some more Hardy mins in any way shape or form after he was clearly a hot hand. I'm not proposing Hardy over Kyrie. Hardy didn't see the floor mysteriously after going off in the early 3rd. We could've really used a few buckets from him later in the 3rd and early 4th to get us to closing time.
I agree, I think we should have given him another run out at some point in 3rd or even the 4th to see if he was still in good form.
You should try being less hyperbolic
Im torn on that same though, because on one hand I completely agree. But he was also struggling greatly on offense when Luka and Kyrie were just passing to him and he was put in situations where he had to drive and create...and thats just not his game at all. Which I would guess is why Kidd was trying others who might handle that better.shack009 said:
Also 34 minutes for DJJ is not enough. He should play every minute Ant is playing.
Ant was a +7 and DJJ was a +3, so there were minutes where DJJ was on the floor when Ant wasn't, which is just weird. Especially because DJJ played 6 less minutes than Ant. We are talking about probably 8-10 minutes with Ant on the floor where our best defender isn't guarding him. That has to change.
We played the same 5 for something like the last 6-7 minutes of the game, and were maybe just hoping one of Kyrie or Luka would suddenly get it together.
Yeah he had one drive that was really nice and under control and ended in a good pass to Gafford for a dunk. It might have been the very next possession where he drove from the same spot and it went completely terribly.PatAg said:Im torn on that same though, because on one hand I completely agree. But he was also struggling greatly on offense when Luka and Kyrie were just passing to him and he was put in situations where he had to drive and create...and thats just not his game at all. Which I would guess is why Kidd was trying others who might handle that better.shack009 said:
Also 34 minutes for DJJ is not enough. He should play every minute Ant is playing.
Ant was a +7 and DJJ was a +3, so there were minutes where DJJ was on the floor when Ant wasn't, which is just weird. Especially because DJJ played 6 less minutes than Ant. We are talking about probably 8-10 minutes with Ant on the floor where our best defender isn't guarding him. That has to change.
We played the same 5 for something like the last 6-7 minutes of the game, and were maybe just hoping one of Kyrie or Luka would suddenly get it together.
But it's just too important to guard Ant. Find times to steal rest for him when able, but he should be in the game when Ant is in. That is where Luka and Kyrie need to step up and make shots so that we can keep good defenders in the game.
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