agdaddy04 said:

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That's a joke, right?

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This was my first thought as well, but this ESPN article seems to think there is a chance something happens. I guess we will have to see but I am not confident the NBA will do anything here.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28222229/rockets-hopeful-nba-acts-james-harden-dunk-not-counted

That would open a massive can of worms, and I don't want the Rockets to be the team that opens it.

If the ball would have gone back in for a second time. Would that be 4 points?

They've replayed a game before. I think it was the last minute though. I saw a clip on YouTube from inside the NBA

It was a blatantly missed call but would start a bad trend in the league

Money Ag said:

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It was a blatantly missed call but would start a bad trend in the league

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That is exactly why it won't be replayed.

If it was the last minute or so, there might be a chance.

Eight minutes remaining, though? Not gonna happen.

There could be official error that could trigger a game replay in every single game because the refs are so terrible. Can or worms the NBA won't open.

NBA will say "Officials missed it, DAntoni should have thrown the ref flag. Sorry!"

Guitarsoup said:

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lil99chris said:

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https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/12/04/three-things-to-know-is-james-hardens-phantom-dunk-enough-to-get-game-replayed/

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This is why the NBA has replay and a coach's challenge except the officials on the court would not let D'Antoni make a challenge.

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Official's statement said MDA didn't make the challenge when he was supposed to and the window passed for him to make the challenge.

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Complete Bull***** Mike asked for a challenge several times and was denied. Not one official, from what is being reported, told him it was because it was out of his 30 seconds. The spent more than 30 seconds talking to each other come to different conclusions and said he couldn't challenge any of them.

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"I have no idea," D'Antoni said. "I heard that they said the ball hit James and went back through, so it was a goaltend on James. I challenged that, and I didn't get a response. Then another guy said it wasn't a goaltend; it went out of bounds on us. And I said, 'Well, I challenge that.' Can't do that. You know, I don't know, to answer your question. I've got nothing. I can't tell you."

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Did all that happen during the challenge period? Does the coach have to specifically say what he is challenging?

You really think the NBA is going to do something?

They post lists of all their **** ups in the last two minutes of close games and still don't replay or overturn games.

No question the officials royally screwed up, but the chances the NBA is going to replay a game over a two point mistake with 8 minutes left in the game are nil.

End of the season, the Spurs may want it overturned for more lottery balls, though.

I don't think the NBA is going to replay from that point forward, they have shown a "protect our own" mentality for quite some time. Officiating in the NBA is probably the worst of all major sports. It hasn't had a huge effect on ratings or popularity of the league so why do anything about it?

My guess is they are scrambling for (A) a reason to insist that the referees did the right thing
given the circumstances and what they thought at the time or (B) some written statement that admits they were wrong and they will do their best to make sure it doesn't happen again, but no corrective action will be taken.

Or just ignore it completely. Let the ref's statement stand on its own.

Guitarsoup said:

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Did all that happen during the challenge period? Does the coach have to specifically say what he is challenging?

You really think the NBA is going to do something?

They post lists of all their **** ups in the last two minutes of close games and still don't replay or overturn games.

No question the officials royally screwed up, but the chances the NBA is going to replay a game over a two point mistake with 8 minutes left in the game are nil.

End of the season, the Spurs may want it overturned for more lottery balls, though.

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There is no doubt in my mind the NBA won't do anything. Honestly I am not even sure that they should even though we scored more points in regulation than the Spurs.

I am pointing out that Mike tried to challenge after he was told what happened and was told he he couldn't. The refs at the time had it so screwed up that they didn't even know about the 30 seconds rule. Those guys shoulfd just be fired.

Guitarsoup said:

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Or just ignore it completely. Let the ref's statement stand on its own.

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I don't think that will be possible, especially if the Rockets are threatening protest if the league doesn't take care of it on their own

WES2006AG said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Did all that happen during the challenge period? Does the coach have to specifically say what he is challenging?

You really think the NBA is going to do something?

They post lists of all their **** ups in the last two minutes of close games and still don't replay or overturn games.

No question the officials royally screwed up, but the chances the NBA is going to replay a game over a two point mistake with 8 minutes left in the game are nil.

End of the season, the Spurs may want it overturned for more lottery balls, though.

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There is no doubt in my mind the NBA won't do anything. Honestly I am not even sure that they should even though we scored more points in regulation than the Spurs.

I am pointing out that Mike tried to challenge after he was told what happened and was told he he couldn't. The refs at the time had it so screwed up that they didn't even know about the 30 seconds rule. Those guys shoulfd just be fired.

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We don't have any statements as to the timing of DAntonio's attempt to challenge the play other than the refs saying that he waited past the 30 second window.

MDA says he tried to challenge it multiple ways, but (and correct me if I am wrong) I haven't seen him say that he tried to challenge the play 5 different ways during that 30s window.

It is possible he wasted that whole window complaining and arguing then tried to challenge when it was too late.

It still doesn't excuse the missed call, but it would jive with his statement and the ref's statement.

The NBA challenge rule is that you call a timeout and in the first 30s of the timeout, you have to ask for a challenge. If you do not ask for a challenge in that first 30s, you don't get to ask for one.

NAB Rules state the coach asks for a challenge by twirling their finger in the air. Yes, really.

The video I saw doesn't show MDA do that. It shows him arguing with the ref. Can you find one where it shows him twirling his finger in the air to ask for a challenge?

Since refs time the timeouts, I am sure they have a way to time it.

But your guess is as good as mine.

I still don't think the NBA will do anything about it or even address it formally if they can get away from doing so. Just like the NFL does when their refs **** up.

AG@RICE said:

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Rockets should spend less time convincing the league to change their mind about a bad call (they won't) and more time convincing Westbrook to stop shooting contested midrange jumpers (he won't).

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This


Got up 22 and then a bunch of terrible shots like this and turnovers by Harden

AG@RICE said:

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Rockets should spend less time convincing the league to change their mind about a bad call (they won't) and more time convincing Westbrook to stop shooting contested midrange jumpers (he won't).

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I agree. But at this point what shots should Russ take? He is historically bad from 3 and those contested jumpers he is trying to bank in aren't going in. Dantoni has better figure out how Russ should be used in this offense or we are screwed. Russ won't stop shooting so we have to find a way to get him to take the right shots.

WES2006AG said:

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AG@RICE said:

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Rockets should spend less time convincing the league to change their mind about a bad call (they won't) and more time convincing Westbrook to stop shooting contested midrange jumpers (he won't).

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I agree. But at this point what shots should Russ take? He is historically bad from 3 and those contested jumpers he is trying to bank in aren't going in. Dantoni has better figure out how Russ should be used in this offense or we are screwed. Russ won't stop shooting so we have to find a way to get him to take the right shots.

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If I were Coach Pringles I would tell him he can only take his crappy midrange jumper if there is less than 3 seconds on the shot clock, otherwise he has to attack the basket. I'd rather watch him go 0-22 at the basket and pick up 6 charges than watch him shoot another midrange brick with 14 seconds left on the shot clock. Even if he isn't shooting a high percentage at the rim, it will open the game for others.

AG@RICE said:

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WES2006AG said:

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AG@RICE said:

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Rockets should spend less time convincing the league to change their mind about a bad call (they won't) and more time convincing Westbrook to stop shooting contested midrange jumpers (he won't).

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I agree. But at this point what shots should Russ take? He is historically bad from 3 and those contested jumpers he is trying to bank in aren't going in. Dantoni has better figure out how Russ should be used in this offense or we are screwed. Russ won't stop shooting so we have to find a way to get him to take the right shots.

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If I were Coach Pringles I would tell him he can only take his crappy midrange jumper if there is less than 3 seconds on the shot clock, otherwise he has to attack the basket. I'd rather watch him go 0-22 at the basket and pick up 6 charges than watch him shoot another midrange brick with 14 seconds left on the shot clock. Even if he isn't shooting a high percentage at the rim, it will open the game for others.

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Agreed

https://instagr.am/p/B5sjiRRFeKM

For the record, I'm a Spurs fan. The call was obviously botched. But the league isn'tgoing to award the Rockets the win and replaying the last 7 minutes of the game seems quite farfetched. Unfortunately like the Saints, it seems like the only thing to do is move on. The refs will learn from this. They just implemented challenges this year so I'm sure they are still trying to learn on the fly and don't think they were doing anything malicious against Pringles/Rockets.

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I agree. And if we miss out on like the 2 seed by one win, it's gonna be infuriating.

Can you imagine football where they can review anything except whether or not a touchdown was scored?
Can you imagine baseball where they can review anything except whether a run was scored?
Can you imagine hockey/soccer where they can review anything except a goal was scored?

Just crazy to think you can't review whether or not a ball when into the basket...