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I was pissed when Pop got rid of Bob Hill and I gave Pop hell for years at the games.

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So was everyone.

And Bob Hill proved he was one of the worst coaches that ever coached.

Hill went to Fordham and had a 31% winning percentage culminating in a 2-33 season.


Bob Hill was absolute trash and was the reason that the Spurs were destroyed in 95.

Since then, Hill only gets jobs when teams want to tank. That's literally the only HC gigs he has gotten.

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With Robinson, Duncan, Parker, Manu, Kawhi, etc. -- there is no telling what Bob might have done. Duncan was a given, nobody was passing him up. If Parker and Ginobili had influence from Pop, cool -- but if Buford was the main guy -- no telling what any other coach might have done.

After five rings, it's hard to complain. I just don't think Pop deserves all the credit he gets. He also doesn't get much blame and he sure as hell should.

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You don't know what you are talking about.

Bob Hill is and always has been trash.

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Bob Hill had a .756 and .720 winning percentage until Robinson got hurt. If Pop went to Fordham instead, his career would have probably fared about the same. Who knows? I do know that Pop is stubborn, arrogant, assholish, overrated, etc.

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They could have gone after someone else that offseason besides Aldridge. Everyone knew they'd have to ditch it for LA.

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Who?

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Marc Gasol
Love
DeAndre
Greg Monroe
Millsap

Hell, just for fun:

Lou Williams

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LeBron was a free agents.

What a ****ing moron Pop was for not signing LeBron!

Spurs approached Marc Gasol and Pau encouraged him to go to SA. He chose to stay.

Cleveland traded Wiggins and a 1st for Love.

Monroe just made 18mm to play 22mpg off the bench on a 42-40 team.

Jordan would have been fun. Think we are signing him only to be left holding an empty bag when he goes back to LA to choke away more playoff series with Chris Paul.

West Texan said:

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I've seen a lot stupid **** posted here tonight (given how crappy the Spurs played), but is someone really arguing for Bob Hill over Pop?!? I suppose next we'll hear how Keith Van Horn would have been better than Duncan had we drafted him instead...

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I am not arguing Bob Hill over Pop. I am just saying that Pop has cost us many games, is overrated and is a product of a great front office. I even said, I don't know how much he had to do with the front office putting together such great teams. If he was instrumental in that, I owe him more credit than I give him. That doesn't let him off the hook for some of his boneheaded coaching, though.

Sorry, not talking about you - the *****s carrying over from rockets thread.

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Guitarsoup said:

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Anyone that doesn't know how much influence Pop had in the Front Office of the Spurs the last 20+ years clearly doesn't know enough of the situation to criticize it.

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Again, any person off the street was taking Duncan. He didn't want to trade his boy George for Kawhi, so that's two he had nothing to do with. Those are the main two as well. Find me an article where he was the main reason for Tony, Manu, Bowen, Horry, etc. Maybe he was, but you know about as much as I do.

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He's not a perfect coach and makes mistakes same as anybody, but he's had a hell of a run, and to credit it mostly to his front office is wince-inducing stupid

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Especially considering Pop was the General Manager when both Parker and Manu were drafted and has been President of Basketball Operations since he handed over the GM title to his right hand man RC Buford.

If Kawhi wasn't there at 15, the Spurs had another SF target for their #29 pick. Danny Ferry (then VP of Basketball for the Spurs) was really high on Jimmy Butler.

Since the Spurs had a hole at backup PG with Hill being gone, they took CoJo at 29 and left Jimmy Butler at 30 for the Bulls.

Spurs also got the #42 pick from Indiana that they used on Davis Bertrans.

Does Pop coddle LMA? The dude is so soft. He comes in out of shape. He rarely makes a strong post move. He is passive and settles for way too many jumpers. He isn't a good passer. Yet, I rarely if ever see Pop going off on him. I'm sure it happens and it's just my perception, but it sure seems like LMA gets away with a lot more than he should from Pop. My theory is LMA is soft so Pop yelling at him will break him and he will just shut down even further.

LMA is quickly approaching Dick Jefferson territory for all time worse signing.

Damn what a beating. I feel like we can't guard this team. They even beat us on the boards. Horrible execution by a lifeless Spurs team.

LA's been worthless this playoffs. Mother****er, you have 0 rings and Kawhi is showing more fire than you.

So tired of rockets fans running their sewage mouth, GAME 2 , we need to charge

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Seriously. Are any of y'all surprised by this? If you have been a Spurs fan for any length of time, you have seen this before.

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Exactly. This is like a early 2000's playoff run. There was always a head scratching beat down. 2005 Finals instantly comes to mind.

And still can't help but remember what we did to OKC in game 1 last year. Don't think it was this bad, but we looked far superior to them in that game. I believe in the Spurs and think they can get it done.

Ok, I've been replaying this fiasco in my head.

My theory is that the game plan was to post Aldridge against Capela and kick out against the strong double team they expected. The Rockets kept Capela at center and didn't double though. They left Anderson on Aldridge and had Capela show on the weak side without committing to the double.

Aldridge played right into that by going very slow into his moves (making it easy for Capela to control space and for the Rockets guards to dig down) and kicking out to shooters who were still covered. Result: 12-18 wasted seconds per possession, few good shot attempts, and lots of turnovers.

The easy adaptation, imo, is to do some off-ball big-big screens to get Capela on Aldridge (because Anderson is not a help side threat) and go much harder into moves so the guards don't have time to dig down. That will either get good shots or force the hard double that initiates the real play... but it's all predicated on Aldridge playing like a big boy.

If that won't work, then they need to create mismatches at wing/PG and run the normal offense. They doubled hard on Kawhi, but that's not what really hurt us because he was beating the double and passing well.

Need a lot more effort rebounding. We can not win this series getting outrebounded. If I'm Pop, I start Dedmon because if nothing else i know he'll go hard after every rebound... and he was far more aggressive going to the rim than anyone else. It's so obvious that I never brought it up before the series started, but if we're going to have Aldridge, Gasol, Lee, Dedmon, and Kawhi, we have to kick their asses on the boards. You cant build a roster predicated on being bigger than everyone else and then get outrebounded by small ball teams. End of story.

We missed shots, good shots, but the story of that game was poor offensive reads by Aldridge and poor effort by the starters minus Kawhi.

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Absolutely nothing redeemable about this game.

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Nobody died?

aggieactor01 said:

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Be glad you skipped. It was not pretty. Our seats are over near the Rocket's bench and it was surrounded by Rockets fans acting like they were winning the finals after the first quarter.

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watching them on Tv was cringeworthy, glad I didn't go to that game

One interesting thing will be how the NBA deals with the Nene ejections and Rockets players coming off the bench during that scuffle.

Dekker, Harrell and Ryan Anderson all left the bench and walked 8-10 feet onto the court.

Leaving the bench area during an altercation is an automatic 1-game suspension. Coach Pringles is pretty aware of that rule, I am sure.

Dejounte left the bench on the Spurs side according to twitter. Can't find it at the moment, but there were several during the moment last night that indicated as much.

Not that he's playing or that it makes much difference, but if they look at it all could include him.

I'll trade Dejounte for Ryan Anderson.

He may be a pompous dewsh, but Guitarsoup has it mostly right when it comes to Coach Pop's fingerprints on the organization for the last 20+ years.

If you think he was the benefactor of a great front office, you're just bitter and haven't been paying attention. He and RC are a tag team, and they employ people who fit their vision for the team. Just because they aren't the ones travelling the eastern hemisphere doesn't mean they don't know what they are doing and are lucking out on hiring good people.

Having said that, what in the **** does this have to with anything?

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I clearly know much, much more than you about this. I don't save ticket stubs, but my family had season tickets from 87 on.

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Does mom and dad having season tickets give you magical insight into the depths of the front office? I worked for the organization and had season tickets, so I must have missed the newsletters with all this season ticket holder exclusive info......

He posted (then deleted) pictures of old ticket stubs from the Robinson days.

And my dad was the attorney for one of the owners. So that was my source of info for a long time. Our families were very close and vacationed together some. We even got to use their yacht in the Bahamas a few times.

Guitarsoup said:

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He posted (then deleted) pictures of old ticket stubs from the Robinson days.

And my dad was the attorney for one of the owners. So that was my source of info for a long time. Our families were very close and vacationed together some. We even got to use their yacht in the Bahamas a few times.

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Doubling down on how badazzzz you are. Nice.

Just saying I had a good source for a number of years. Haven't had it in a while. I didn't do anything to get the source, but it was cool to hear stuff from the owner. If I'm getting something wrong, please correct me.

You play a younger, run and gun team who is shooting hot, and you miss easy shots and you get what you got last night.

That's not all of of it, but they ran every chance they could and we weren't able to get back and get organized. Our defense struggled, and it was compounded by us not being able to hit the broadside of a barn last night.

LA needs to step up. I said it last round after giving props for a good second half in one game, but he needs to play better. Our bigs are better than theirs. I'm not overly confident, I'm not trash talking, our bigs are better. Period. They need to play like it.

This series won't last long if our bigs continue to get outplayed by Capela and Anderson. Without us making buckets, we're too old and slow to keep up with them in transition, and our transition defense will continue to suck. I'm not nervous yet...sometimes these games just happen...but I think it all hangs on how LA plays in game 2.

Also, what the hell happened with Dedmon? Did he get thrown in the doghouse, illness still bothering him, mental issue? He was playing pretty good minutes then seemed to disappear towards the end of the year.

Hey look its the GOAT talking to some ***** at practice

Check out @mikecwright's Tweet:

LMA is averaging 13 points and 7 rebounds per 36 minutes in the playoffs.

JaVale McGee is averaging 29/13 per 36 in the playoffs.

I don't understand how 40 yo TD with no good knees was so much quicker and faster than LA

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Hey look its the GOAT talking to some ***** at practice

Check out @mikecwright's Tweet:

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Unless Duncan was there to steal his jersey, I don't think it's going to help.