DMN is reporting Cuban offered Matthews the chance to walk away from his deal, but says Matthews is still on board and is he type of player the Mavs want in the organization.

I could see the Mavs keeping Matthews out till Janurary, and trying to deal Parsons for some young prospects or (gasp) draft picks

The 7th worst team last year won 30 games, so that's probably the target for the Mavs. That's 20 fewer than they won a year ago. Are they really 20 games worse right now?

They don't have a lot of moves available either. They will likely try to trade Parsons at the deadline since he'll probably opt out after the season. The question is what they can get for him. A big reason Morey didn't match is because of the contract Dallas gave him.

Who else can they trade? Devin Harris maybe? Doubtful they get much in return for him. Dirk is ancient and pretty much limited to being a spot up shooter who is dreadful defensively.

Really looking a lot like the Lakers to me, except Kobe's big contract. Cap space doesn't mean much if you can't get players to occupy it though.

Parsons may not opt out, since the cap is going up big in two years, too. Like Morey said, he still may be tough to trade because a team doesn't want to kill max cap space on Parsons if he doesn't opt out.

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Parsons may not opt out, since the cap is going up big in two years, too. Like Morey said, he still may be tough to trade because a team doesn't want to kill max cap space on Parsons if he doesn't opt out.

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His contract also has a 15% trade kicker.

http://deadspin.com/a-sure-why-not-theory-explains-why-the-mavs-might-lose-1716605439

More for entertainment purposes than anything else. This was probably already posted on the thread, but I missed it.

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/7/9/8922249/deandre-jordan-suffers-the-game-of-thrones-walk-of-shame

I think Dirk would be more than a "spot up shooter". That's a pretty idiotic statement.

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Parsons may not opt out, since the cap is going up big in two years, too. Like Morey said, he still may be tough to trade because a team doesn't want to kill max cap space on Parsons if he doesn't opt out.

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Trade him to Memphis for Jeff Green and Courtney Lee. All those guys have expiring contracts this season.

I'm just happy the Mavs offseason thread went from 5 pages to 15. More Mavs talk. Go Mavs.

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Parsons may not opt out, since the cap is going up big in two years, too. Like Morey said, he still may be tough to trade because a team doesn't want to kill max cap space on Parsons if he doesn't opt out.

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Trade him to Memphis for Jeff Green and Courtney Lee. All those guys have expiring contracts this season.

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And Memphis could use shooting. Seems like a solid move both ways. They already have Allen and Barnes to take up Parsons slack on D.

Maybe a dumb question, but if we get a top 7 pick this year, will it carry over and Boston gets our 1st round pick the year after? Or is it just do or die this year?

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Maybe a dumb question, but if we get a top 7 pick this year, will it carry over and Boston gets our 1st round pick the year after? Or is it just do or die this year?

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Don't know about that trade, but generally they will carry over and be protected differently in a different year and sometimes expire and sometimes extinguish or sometimes switch to a second rounder.

I think it's top 7 protected until 2020 and then unprotected in 2021.

I'd put up our Big 3 of 38 year old Dirk, Parsons, and Harris/Barea against any Big 3 in the NBA.

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I'd put up our Big 3 of 38 year old Dirk, Parsons, and Harris/Barea against any Big 3 in the NBA.

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In what type of competition?

"Who can fadeaway the best" or "Who gets called a 'Lunchpail guy' first" or "Who works on his FT shooting more" or...

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"Who can fadeaway the best" or "Who gets called a 'Lunchpail guy' first" or "Who works on his FT shooting more" or...

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Quiet game, *****es.

So if you are Cuban, do you start listening to trade offers for Rick Carlisle? No way Rick wants to go through rebuilding. Clippers gave up a couple firsts for Doc.

I could potentially see it heading that direction but I really don't want to lose Carlisle.

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I'd put up our Big 3 of 38 year old Dirk, Parsons, and Harris/Barea against any Big 3 in the NBA.

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In what type of competition?

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Lightest skin color

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Damn it, blue star.

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I could potentially see it heading that direction but I really don't want to lose Carlisle.

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You never want to lose a top 3 coach in the NBA. But you also don't want to piss him off. His contract is over next year, so he could walk to whatever team is looking promising.

Ideally, you trade him, get some picks (maybe the Boston pick back?) tank, get some prospects for Parsons/Matthews/Singh and then try to lure Rick back when the team is looking good in the future.

What I have no clue about what to do is Dirk. I can't imagine Dirk wants to play anywhere else, and he certainly wouldn't want to play on a 15-30 win team, either. Plus him playing is going to net you more wins than you want, anyway.

i don't feel bad for anyone making $8m a year, but dirk is my fav nba player of all time and i think he will act as a pro and stick it out. His value is more off the court, the culture of the team, the locker room, and for the community. Most folks in dallas know that this is like one of those 5-11 seasons for the cowboys, but they LOVE dirk. trade him away and you have apathy. keep him and there is still some interest in the team. he is not going anywhere.

You will have some apathy, but a 35-45 win team is going to generate apathy for a lot longer because they aren't bad enough to get a good pick and turn it around and not good enough to get people excited.

I think Carlisle is a great coach overall, but if he has a weakness, I think it's with developing young players. He just doesn't have the patience, and I think part of Donnie's lack of results from the draft are partly due to a lack of support from the head coach. I still put most of it on Donnie, but I can't say I've been impressed with Carlisle's ability to work with and develop younger, more raw talent.

So if it's blow-up time and you could get a couple of #1's for him, I think you have to seriously consider it. I'd hate to see him go, but I don't think he's going to stick around for a big rebuild project either.

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You will have some apathy, but a 35-45 win team is going to generate apathy for a lot longer because they aren't bad enough to get a good pick and turn it around and not good enough to get people excited.

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Yep. That's what we had to endure in the years post-Yao and pre-Harden. 3 years of finishing #9 in the West and picking 14th in the draft is tough to build a championship roster with. Morey somehow was able to pull it off down the road, but it took multiple years to finally get our roster to look the way it does today

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I think Carlisle is a great coach overall, but if he has a weakness, I think it's with developing young players. He just doesn't have the patience, and I think part of Donnie's lack of results from the draft are partly due to a lack of support from the head coach. I still put most of it on Donnie, but I can't say I've been impressed with Carlisle's ability to work with and develop younger, more raw talent.

So if it's blow-up time and you could get a couple of #1's for him, I think you have to seriously consider it. I'd hate to see him go, but I don't think he's going to stick around for a big rebuild project either.

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I love Carlisle, but he is beyond awful at developing young players. Hell, he won't even play them. I'm not saying that Roddy B was amazing, but he showed a ton of promise in his early years. Carlisle simply refused to play him at all and allow him to develop. Even when he dominated in the playoffs when he was forced to play, Carlisle wouldn't play him the next game.

I don't think Carlisle will want to rebuild, and honestly I don't think I'd want him here if we are really blowing it up and tanking for years.

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I think part of Donnie's lack of results from the draft are partly due to a lack of support from the head coach.

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The big problem being so many draft picks were traded before the drafts.

Next year's first for Rondo.

Two seconds in the Calderon for Chandler trade.

Traded the 17th pick for Jae Crowder.

Traded a first for Lamar Odom.

Traded the 26th pick for Rudy Fernandez and Koponen

Two seconds in the Shawne Williams trade

Traded two firsts for Kidd/Antoine Wright.

Traded two firsts for Erika Dampier

Traded a first for Antoine Walker

Traded a first for Nick Van Exel

That's a lot of first round picks not to have in the Dirk era. They didn't have a lot of guys to really develop.

They did get Devin Harris in a trade as a rookie, traded for Marques Daniels and Josh Howard. But all those were a decade ago.

Agree that they've sent a lot of picks off, but Donnie wasn't doing all of that in a vacuum. It's obvious Carlisle does not like to play young players and has an incredibly short leash with them, so I'm sure part of the working relationship between GM and coach involved turning those picks into other assets that he favored working with. Avery was no peach either. See the Devin Harris situation. While Harris was still a young player developing, he threw a hissy fit to get his veteran PG.

Agree, but Dallas was moving picks for vets long before Carlisle was in the picture.

Maybe a Nelson family thing, like Old Don Nelson trading three firsts for Webber.

I'm sure that's part of it. I'm definitely not absolving Donnie, but for at least a decade, I think the HC was an active participant in that strategy as well. And I don't think the current HC is the right one for a young player, draft-oriented rebuild project, even though overall, Pop is the only coach in the league I'd take over Carlisle to coach a non-rebuilding team.

Well, absolutely. If we re-build, I want us to be a bottom feeder for a year or two and try to hit the jackpot in the draft coupled with free agency. We already have the upper hand on a lot of teams that tank. But I also realize it is all speculation that I have no control over so I just want to sit back and see what happens. I'm just hoping this doesn't become a 5 year tank process. I want to really tank for a year or two and then start seeing steady improvement with a younger roster.

They did trade a lot of picks away, but their "fill out the roster around Dirk with vet FAs" strategy worked for a long time. They're the 4th best franchise of the last 15 years and if things had gone just a little differently in 2006, they'd be the 3rd best.

I feel bad for Dirk, but not Cuban.

Dirk is either going to end up losing, or greatly underpaid elsewhere.

Is this in Dirk's future?