Surprised there's no thread yet.

Pretty much expected at this point, but still big news.

I honestly thought he'd announced his retirement after that last season-ending injury.

I didn't even realize he was still playing.

I had the exact same reaction as you guys on this thread and probably everyone else in the world when I saw the headline on ESPN today. I thought he retired two years ago.

He was still owed by the Lakers. No point retiring last year.

Never forget.

Favorite part is how Nash throws his arms back when he's on the floor.

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I had the exact same reaction as you guys on this thread and probably everyone else in the world when I saw the headline on ESPN today. I thought he retired two years ago.

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This

Nineteen years in the NBA and never learned how to play defense.

How is your haterade?

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He was still owed by the Lakers. No point retiring last year.

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Saw some reports that they asked him not to retire so they could use his salary slot in trade scenarios.

So where does he rank all time?

I would say behind Magic, Kidd, Sticken, Big O(Hard to compare Eras), but ahead of Payton, AI, Thomas.

lol wut

tony parker isn't even in nash's league as a true point guard. Winning a Finals MVP doesn't mean **** when comparing to nash. You going to call billups better than nash, too?

I would put Isiah ahead of Nash, and if only judging based on what I've seen (apologies to Cousy, Oscar, West, etc), and excluding current players, I would go:

Magic
Isiah
Stockton
Nash
Kidd
G. Payton

and really if someone had a strong argument for Payton or Kidd above Nash, I'd be fine.

Parker was better over an extended period (ie, more consistent) but Nash had a ~4 year run where he was heads and shoulders above Parker

That's unpossible

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Parker was better over an extended period (ie, more consistent) but Nash had a ~4 year run where he was heads and shoulders above Nash

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I'd say his prime was a good 7 years, but his 2 MVP years and the year after really stood out.

From 05 to 11
16.7 PPG
11.0 APG
50.8 FG%
44.0 3P%
21.8 PER
62.4 TS%
8.9 OWS

Plus he turned it up for the playoffs. (05-07)
PPG-APG
24-11
20-10
19-13

And the Tony Parker overrating continues. Dude played next to the greatest PF of all time...pretty easy to play well when that happens.

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It does when you played a pivotal part in 3 championships.

I'd probably put Nash above TP as well, but it's not like he doesn't belong in the conversation. Don't let your Houston bias cloud your judgement.

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i don't hate the Spurs. I'm just not blinded by rings

If I am building a team for a title, I want Magic, Isiah, Kidd, Stockton and Payton before I want Nash. I intentionally left players from before the merger out.

Keep cashin' them checks!

Maybe Buss will sign him to another one year extension.

Nash was really good at the things he did well and really bad at the things he did poorly. He had complete mastery of the offensive end, but he might as well have stayed down there for all he accomplished on defense.

I don't think either of his MVPs were deserved. Defense is always underrated as part of the MVP rubric, and Nash was leading a pretty stacked Phoenix roster (Joe Johnson, pre-injury Amare, peak Shawn Marion, Quentin Richardson, and Boris Diaw during a "likes basketball" phase. Meanwhile Lebron was putting up 27-31 points with 7 boards, 7 assists, 2 steals, and much better defense to get 42 and 50 wins with a team... well, put it this way. 11 players besides Lebron posted 1000+ minute seasons for the Cavs those two years. In order by the most minutes in a single season, most to least: Jeff McInnis, Zydrunas Ilgauskas (2), Drew Gooden (2), Eric Snow (2), Damon Jones, Donyell Marshall, Ira Newble, Robert Traylor, Larry Hughes, Lucious Harris, and Ronald Murray. I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that they had so much roster churn or that they weren't able to churn Eric Snow out of there sooner.

As for Nash vs Parker, as a Spurs fan I've still got to go Nash. Parker's defense is acceptable, but not above any random point guard who can follow directions and slow up his opposite just long enough for Duncan to rotate. Not enough to make up for Nash's superior offensive versatility.

That was not enough about Nash. The guy was a terrifying shooter and a magician on the pick and roll. 40-50-90 as the primary ballhandler is insane and he did it four times! If you round to two digits instead of three, he did it six times. One of the four was 50-47-91. He had twelve seasons over .600 TS%, topping out at .654.

Nash's Phoenix team was a juggernaut other than not being able to beat the Spurs in the playoffs. He made Mike D'Antoni coach of the year!

One of the best purse shooters of all times even though he was a pass first guy. I heard he is the only player ever to shoot 50% from the floor 40% from three & 90% from the FT in a year.

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One of the best purse shooters of all times even though he was a pass first guy. I heard he is the only player ever to shoot 50% from the floor 40% from three & 90% from the FT in a year.

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Dirk and Bird both did it. I think Jose Calderon, too.

As a distributor? I put Nash over Parker even as a very biased Spurs fan. Easily. I love TP, and think he belongs in the conversation for one of the top PGs in the league in his prime, but Nash was scary good offensively, especially as a distributor.

No idea where I would rank Nash all time, or TP for that matter. I just know the end to his career was pretty disappointing in my opinion, and wish he would have retired a few years ago.

Maybe then it was the "only guard" it was the "Only something ever, related to those three stats?

Calderon plays pg. I'm sure you could make a lot of weird restrictions on it to game the stats.

Had to go to wiki to find out what I heard on the radio.

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the 504090 club is an informal term referring to the group of National Basketball Association (NBA) players who have had a shooting percentage at or above 50% for field goals, 40% for three-pointers, and 90% for free throws during an entire NBA regular season while also achieving the NBA minimum number of makes in each category.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50%E2%80%9340%E2%80%9390_club#cite_note-1][1][/url] 504090 indicates a great all-around shooting performance and is considered the ultimate standard for shooters.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50%E2%80%9340%E2%80%9390_club#cite_note-canada-2][2][/url] Steve Nash has the most 504090 seasons with four; two more than any other player. Kevin Durant is the most recent player to record a 50-40-90 season.

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