Is the Euro step taught?

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Skinny Wrinkles
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Played from 7th-12th grade and it was never once mentioned by a coach. It always seemed like the few that did it sort of taught themselves.

I'd consider this a pretty advanced move, but I'm just curious if it's actually taught.
BBQ4Me
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Maybe they teach it in Europe
StillNotAnAggie
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They were playing a video of Lebron's 10 year old doing it the other day. He had to of learned it from someone.
94chem
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Is it like the Ewing double shuffle?
Ulrich
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I'd guess so, there are a couple high school kids that show up to the weekly game I play and they both do it.
mAgnoliAg
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You just do it. I used to do it. You acquire it from watching the guys on tv do it.
Ulrich
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I do it, but more because I can't dribble in traffic. These kids are really smooth with it though, it looks like something they've been taught and worked on quite a bit.
Richierich2323
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I used to coach middle school basketball and I am currently an AAU select coach.

It was part of our layup progression, but it is one of the last parts of it. Our progression is below

regular layup
jumpstop power (over the top)
jumpstop power fake (shot fake, into defender)
jumpstop movethrough (jumpstop, cross foot over and finish)
Euro Step

The thing we don't teach is reverse layups.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Ginobili
Bulldog73
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We teach our high school guards the Euro step. We're more football coaches that know a little bit about basketball, so I tend to assume other coaches teach it as well.
tbirdspur2010
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Ginobili


Maestro with the Euro Step
Houston Summit
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They were playing a video of Lebron's 10 year old doing it the other day. He had to of learned it from someone.

Probably from watching James Harden use it against his daddy
Brian Earl Spilner
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They were playing a video of Lebron's 10 year old doing it the other day. He had to of learned it from someone.

Probably from watching Manu Ginobili use it against his daddy
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VanZandt92
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I used to coach middle school basketball and I am currently an AAU select coach.

It was part of our layup progression, but it is one of the last parts of it. Our progression is below

regular layup
jumpstop power (over the top)
jumpstop power fake (shot fake, into defender)
jumpstop movethrough (jumpstop, cross foot over and finish)
Euro Step

The thing we don't teach is reverse layups.


Sorry, the jumpstop move through. Walk me through that with different wording.
Ulrich
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Like any move, there are a hundred variants based on where you start, what angle you take to the basket, and how you finish, but imagine that you are starting from the right wing and driving straight to the right side of the rim. Drive, jump stop, and give a quick show of the ball on a shot fake with your right hand. Then, pivoting on your left foot, step to the inside with your right foot and finish with your left hand over the front of the rim.

The jump stop is a power move and the timing is way different than stepping off the inside foot for a conventional layup. If you've successfully thrown the defender's timing off, it won't take much of a shot fake to make him fly past toward the baseline. When both feet are on the ground, you should be far enough from the basket that your next step can still move you toward the basket. This may not make sense, but you also don't want to come to a complete stop so much as you want to hold your momentum for a split second and then let it flow into the pivot. You pivot off your inside foot to maximize the distance you can cover with the pivot, then you're all alone right in front of the rim.

Regarding variants... you could do the same thing mirrored on the other side of the court, which lets you drop it in with your right hand but is more predictable. You can drive farther in so that you end up faking the layup and finishing with a reverse. You can drive across the lane then use the pivot to basically double back (good for getting the help defense tangled up in the same move that shakes your defender). You can drive to the front of the rim initially and then pivot outside (Tony Parker likes this one finishing with his right hand on the left side of the rim).
94chem
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I don't think it used to be legal to establish a pivot foot after making a jump stop. When Tom Penders guards used to do this, I never saw them pivot afterwards. Is this a subtle rules change, now that it's legal to take 3 steps?
Ulrich
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You pick the ball up as you jump. Landing is the first step, then you still have your pivot.
Sheneneh Jenkins
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still dunno wtf the euro step is
Ulrich
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Driving to the basket, you pick up the ball and then take two long steps. Traditionally you change direction with each step, but nowadays it's used in reference to almost any drive where the ball handler takes two long, slow steps after picking up the ball.

You basically trade speed for maneuverability and ball security in traffic. It's particularly good for people like me who are already slow enough that there's not much of a tradoff, but guys like Manu Ginobili and now James Harden and others use it for more positive reasons.

You can cover a lot of distance, change direction once or twice to weave through traffic, and all the while you're holding the ball with both hands instead of trying to dribble through all the feet and hands in the lane. Strong hands will let you rip right through a strip attempt and if you can securely palm the ball you have more shoot/pass options at the rim (it's deadly if you play with good cutters). Great for drawing and-1s but still getting off a decent shot attempt.

The weakness is shot blockers with good defensive positioning. Whether it's the trailing or help defender, if they stay on their toes and in the play, the fact that you're not moving very fast can make it easier to time the block and all you can do is hope that someone made a good cut. When it goes wrong, it tends to go REALLY wrong. If the help tries to take a charge, gets back on their heels, or doesn't have hops you're usually ok.
Skinny Wrinkles
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still dunno wtf the euro step is

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94chem
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You pick the ball up as you jump. Landing is the first step, then you still have your pivot.


So if you pick up the ball as you jump, but only land on one foot, can you then jump stop? I'm thinking this would be a way to create space for a step back jumper.
Ulrich
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I've seen that done without getting called in both pickup and officiated games. I'm not 100% sure what the actual rule is because it's never really been a specialty of mine. Part of the reason I've never really looked into it or worked on it myself is that the rules around it aren't completely clear and I'm pretty sure they violate the spirit of the rule and maybe even the letter. The other part of the reason I don't do it very often is because I'd just get myself in trouble and turn the ball over.

Personally, I think every time one foot lands on the ground should count as a step, so the only legal jump stop should be picking up the ball as you take off, landing on both feet, and then the only maneuver you have left is to jump once and not have the ball by the time you land. No pivot, no second step on the front or back end. I've seen stop-pivot-jump, step-stop-jump, stop-step-jump, even stop-stop-jump all go uncalled (pretty sure that last one was just a wrong call), but to me they all abuse the intent of the rule.



The whole traveling thing is pretty tough to call though. They usually call picking up the back foot early when starting a drive really tightly even though it doesn't give much of an advantage, but once you're in motion almost anything goes.

One thing that gets abused and leads to a lot of missed calls is how players will let the ball travel along with them without actually grabbing it. Take a hard final dribble, then at the top of the bounce let it spin with your palm in contact, but don't secure it until you've snuck a couple steps in. I've seen several of the lanky small forwards like Giannis A do this, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the league do something about it in the next couple years. You can even fudge that a little more by palming the ball to keep it "floating" along beside you a little longer. It can be tough tell at full speed what is going on.

In both cases, you're clearly controlling the ball while moving without dribbling even if you haven't put two hands on the ball. This is probably the one thing I struggle with in terms of following the rules myself. You try to delay the pass/shoot decision, and once you get a hand under the ball or two hands on the ball you're on the clock.
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