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He and Wade are the most classless athletes in professional sports. They respect no one but themselves, it's really sad.

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besides the "decision" please tell me another time where these guys have not shown class wearing a miami heat uniform. Specially Dwyane Wade. Please, if your basis for that statement is jealousy and butthurt, don't make yourself sound stupid.

if lebron is on dirk, he is either getting torched or in foul trouble. Collison had success cuz he is a talented post defender(who got away with murder), lebron is not an amazing post defender.

lol arces12 is an effing idiot. if dirk struggles its because he is missing his shots which he will be able to get at will. no one on the heat can guard dirk, and please put haslem and bosh on the court together so chandler can crush on the boards with easy put backs. guarding dirk is totally different than drose as dirk is 7 feet tall and can shoot jump shots consistently unlike rose. not too mention dirk is playing with much better offensive players and shooters who will kill you if you double. team basketball and depth will prevail in this series with mavs winning in 6

Should be a good series however I just don't see how the Mavs will be able to guard D-Wade and Lebron. That seems like a huge advantage down the stretch for Miami.

Rose - probably the regular season MVP
Dirk - post-season MVP
LeBron - probably will be Finals MVP

Dallas hasn't played a team w/ the defense that Miami is throwing out there and Dirk hasn't played agaisnt a player like Lebron all postseason...all of you thinking that Dirk will someone dominate Lebron James, the best player in the league are misinformed.

We'll certainly see what happens, but I'm going on record that my heat win in 6

Miami's defense looked great shutting down a team that has one scoring option.

The Mavericks are a much better offensive team. Not to say Miami's defense is bad, but I think they're going to be surprised playing against a team that does more than just clear out for a dribble penetrator.

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Miami's defense looked great shutting down a team that has one scoring option.

The Mavericks are a much better offensive team. Not to say Miami's defense is bad, but I think they're going to be surprised playing against a team that does more than just clear out for a dribble penetrator.

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Other scoring options? Like who? JJ barea and his 8.9 ppg? Kidd and his 9.8 ppg? Terry is the only other option they have that's averaging more than 12 ppg in the playoffs.

In fact, Chicago and Dallas are very similar in there offensive production. The top 3 scorers for chicago (Rose 27.1, Deng 16.9, boozer 12.6) are averaging 56.6 ppg and Dallas' top 3 scorers are averaging 56.9 ppg (Dirk 28.4, terry 17.3, marion 11.2). After that both teams have significant falloff. I'm not sure how Dallas has more scorers than Chicago, but statistically that's not accurate at all.

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I'm not sure how Dallas has more scorers than Chicago, but statistically that's not accurate at all.

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You have to consider how both teams are getting their points. The gap between Dallas and Chicago on the offensive side of the ball is Strahan-esque.

Are we actually disputing that the Bulls and the Mavs are equal from an offensive standpoint?

The Mavs offense is much better than Chicago's. I thought that was common sense.

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The Mavs offense is much better than Chicago's. I thought that was common sense.

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They had a difference in ppg of 1.6...I didn'te realize that 1.6 ppg was that huge, but you're right, by 1.6 ppg they're better.

This is where actually watching basketball trumps just staring at statistics. The ball movement, the execution, the depth of scorers, matchups, the offensive coaching, the play calling, having a hall of fame facilitator (Kidd) - Dallas is better than Chicago in all those aspects.

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This is where actually watching basketball trumps just staring at statistics. The ball movement, the execution, the depth of scorers, matchups, the offensive coaching - Dallas is better than Chicago in all those aspects

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Ball movement/execution: Chicago-22.3 apg Dallas 23.8

Depth of Scorers: Chicago-4 scorers over 10 ppg Dallas 5

Coaching: Chicago-Coach of the year Dallas-not

Again, I didn't realize that 1 scorer and 1.5 assists equates to being definitively better, but I do know that having the MVP and Coach of the Year as well as the best record in the NBA should count for something.

Well, the statistics prove my point.

DRose is a stud, and deserved the MVP. He's still just 1 person in a team game. Just like Dirk can't win on his own. Just like Lebron can't win on his own (which is why he's in Miami). I think Thibodeaux (sp?) is a good coach. I think Carlisle is a better offensive coach, which is something you clearly missed.

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Well, the statistics prove my point.

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If you want to go on 1.5 assists and 1 scorer as definitive proof then you're right. I'll go w/ the MVP and the COY as playing a role in the decision as well.

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DRose is a stud, and deserved the MVP. He's still just 1 person in a team game. Just like Dirk can't win on his own. Just like Lebron can't win on his own (which is why he's in Miami). I think Thibodeaux (sp?) is a good coach. I think Carlisle is a better offensive coach, which is something you clearly missed.

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No I didn't miss it, but couple his Coach of the Year trophy and teh fact that his team was only 1.3 ppg behind Dallas and I don't see Carlisle as the better coach, offensive or otherwise. At least we agree that Rose is a Stud, as is Dirk. Did hell just freeze over?

Specific to the 'who has the better offense?' question, citing points per game (are those regular season stats?) doesn't tell the whole story, as it doesn't account for matchups, higher intensity defense in the playoffs, etc.

Throwing out the one OT period, the Bulls averaged less than 86 ppg in the ECF and looked offensively anemic for most of the series. My guess is that the Mavs will fare better than that offensively, but I guess we'll see.

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I don't see Carlisle as the better coach, offensive or otherwise.

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And what did he do for his team when it mattered?

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as mentioned above - MVP is an award for the regular season, not the post season.

I guess Bucky Dent should have been the AL MVP in 1978 because he had a great post season never mind the fact that he hit .243 and had 5 HR's and 40 RBI's during the regular season

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Throwing out the one OT period, the Bulls averaged less than 86 ppg in the ECF and looked offensively anemic for most of the series. My guess is that the Mavs will fare better than that offensively, but I guess we'll see

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I'm sure the Heat had something to do w/ that, but that can be determined in a few days (you're right)

And to the poster w/ the cute little picture, who won COY the year again? Carlisle?

Take LeBron off the Heat.

They still have Wade and Bosh, and probably some decent guy at LeBron's spot and a deeper bench with the money saved.

How far would they have made it in the playoffs? I'd say they would still be in the finals.

lol you're an effing idiot, who actually puts stock into the coach of the year award? last time I checked half the guys who won it this past decade got fired. carlisle won it with detroit, who gives a royal ****. and go look at the postseason offensive pace stat or whatever its called and dallas is getting 111.2 points per 100 possessions making them by far the most efficient team in basketball.

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lol you're an effing idiot, who actually puts stock into the coach of the year award? last time I checked half the guys who won it this past decade got fired. carlisle won it with detroit, who gives a royal ****. and go look at the postseason offensive pace stat or whatever its called and dallas is getting 111.2 points per 100 possessions making them by far the most efficient team in basketball.

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Just so that I understand you, you're saying the in a discussion regarding coaching the coach of the year award doesn't matter? Um, ok then...

I remember when Sam Mitchell won coach of the year with Toronto back in '06 - '07. He's a legend of his craft and one of the all-time greats. He's almost on par with Mike Schuler, who won the award back in '86-'87.

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I remember when Sam Mitchell won coach of the year with Toronto back in '06 - '07. He's a legend of his craft and one of the all-time greats. He's almost on par with Mike Schuler, who won the award back in '86-'87.

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Yeah I see what you're saying...All Sam Mitchell did was take a team that had a 27-55 record the year before and last place to first place in their division and to the playoffs for the first time in franchise history.

I also didn't realize the the Coach of the year (not decade, not century, but for that one year) was a career award. And here I thought this whole time is was for the best coach in that particular year. Thanks for setting me straight.

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lolz when I mentioned the stat it was to address the fact that you think the bulls are on the same level offensively with the mavs.

I am still giggling at the stock your putting into this award. Someone might do a damn good job at turning a team around but it doesn't make them a better coach then every single other coach in the league. with your logic you would take tibs over phil jackson to coach your team this year

oh and please keep up chief and try and brush up on your basketball knowledge as last time I checked toronto made the playoffs at least 3 times before mitchell became coach and had they beaten philly in game 7 in the 2001 semifinals they might have gotten to the finals

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Take LeBron off the Heat.

How far would they have made it in the playoffs? I'd say they would still be in the finals.

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They might not have made the playoffs, given the injuries they sustained this year. How did Cleveland do this year after losing Lebron?

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

The OP clearly buys anything ESPN tells him.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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LeBron will shut down Dirk in the 4th. Haslem and Bosh will hold down the german through three quarters. Dirk does not have the athleticism to score over LBJ. Collison is not James. Don't kid yourself.

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Holy smokes. This is this years version of "Dwayne Wade won't be a factor".

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so much stupid in one place it seems impossible