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There are a lot of points you can use to argue the case for either Olajuwon or Robinson, but coaching doesn't have that much of an impact as the other factors mentioned.

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The coaching disparity between Rudy and Hill was ginormous. It had a HUGE impact on the game.

Hill choosing to guard Hakeem straight up by the Spurs best player when Hakeem was at the absolute peak of his career - one of the highest peaks achieved by any player ever was idiotic.
Conversely, Rudy T abused Robinson by moving Hakeem a lot and making Robinson work hard on D, then immediately double teaming him on O to make everything that much more difficult.
How Hill didn't realize that when Hakeem is playing that well, you double team the hell out of him and make Kenny Smith beat you, I will never know. Rudy certainly realized that you don't let Robinson have anything easy and you make the Spurs beat you with with stiffs like Vinny Del Negro, JR Reid, Terry Cummings, Willie Anderson and Dennis Rodman. Hakeem got to spend the whole series guarding Dennis Rodman. That is, until Rodman was suspended. So Hakeem was well rested on offense, because Rodman basically sat in one place on offense and waited for a shot to go up.

The coaching disparity is by far the most overlooked thing about that series.

No way Don Nelson and George Karl come in over Rudy T as better coaches. I'll agree with Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Pat Riley and Gregg Pop. I think Rudy T is 5th.

Jerry Sloan always gets shafted in conversations about the best coaches. The only think Rudy has over Jerry is that Rudy won a couple championships while coaching the best player on the planet (at the time) in a major market. Jerry has won and won and won, and has done it with less.

He's a good coach, but he's had an All-Star/Hall-of-Fame-caliber point guard and power forward at his disposal for 16 of the 18 years he's coached in Utah.

I think people go overboard with the Jerry Sloan doesn't get enough respect or Jerry Sloan is underrated or Jerry Sloan gets overlooked stuff. Win a championship. Problem solved.

All the coaches mentioned as the best coaches have had all star players most of their career.

That's the point. And they all got it done in the end with the exception of Nelson, I think. But he's won multiple COY awards and was arguably the best NBA head coach of the 80's.

Sloan has had just as much talent if not more than some of these coaches and still hasn't pulled it off. Larry Brown won it with Chauncey Billups as his best player for crying out loud.

I don't know how much stock you put into this, but Jerry got there twice and ran into some pretty salty Bulls' teams.

But if your qualifications for a top 5 or so coach must include a ring, then he obviously wouldn't make your list.

[This message has been edited by keithd03 (edited 12/2/2010 3:51p).]

I don't know that rings are the end all be all of the best coaches discussions.

But if we are judging Rudy T vs Sloan, we should note that Rudy T plowed over two Sloan teams on the way to winning back to back championships. One of those Jazz teams was a 60-win team that held a 2-1 lead in the best of 5 first round series over the 47-win Rockets, then lost two straight to get bounced from the first round.

Gsoup

How old were you when watching all of this....specifically the peak years?

Geez, this was a Robinson thread and it turned it to preppyAg being butthurt that Duncan is the best PF of all time.... Followed with sh*tty argument.... Duncan is easily the best PF of all time and is still playing...the championship count should not be the end all be all for showing that a player is the best, be there's no way you can discount it, not to mention Duncan is the best defender at his position also... It's been proven that steals are not the best way to show how good defensively a player is

PreppyAg, quit trolling

BBDP - Old enough to drive myself to the AlamoDome for the 95 WCF. We have had season tickets from 86-87 to present.

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The coaching disparity between Rudy and Hill was ginormous. It had a HUGE impact on the game.

Hill choosing to guard Hakeem straight up by the Spurs best player when Hakeem was at the absolute peak of his career - one of the highest peaks achieved by any player ever was idiotic.
Conversely, Rudy T abused Robinson by moving Hakeem a lot and making Robinson work hard on D, then immediately double teaming him on O to make everything that much more difficult.
How Hill didn't realize that when Hakeem is playing that well, you double team the hell out of him and make Kenny Smith beat you, I will never know. Rudy certainly realized that you don't let Robinson have anything easy and you make the Spurs beat you with with stiffs like Vinny Del Negro, JR Reid, Terry Cummings, Willie Anderson and Dennis Rodman. Hakeem got to spend the whole series guarding Dennis Rodman. That is, until Rodman was suspended. So Hakeem was well rested on offense, because Rodman basically sat in one place on offense and waited for a shot to go up.

The coaching disparity is by far the most overlooked thing about that series.

No way Don Nelson and George Karl come in over Rudy T as better coaches. I'll agree with Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Pat Riley and Gregg Pop. I think Rudy T is 5th.

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Yeah I will never understand why the Spurs tried to single cover Olajuwon that series when it was obvious that it was impossible to stop him doing that.

The only thing I can think of is that he looked at the other teams who doubled and tripled Hakeem and still failed and figured what the hell. For those two years, literally nothing stopped Olajuwon. I honestly think the coaches at the time were at a loss as to how to do it.

Just checking: I try not to argue with someone about their childhood heroes (8-16)..... people tend to resort back to their childhood perspective and reasoning skills.

[This message has been edited by BBDP (edited 12/3/2010 9:48a).]

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Geez, this was a Robinson thread and it turned it to preppyAg being butthurt that Duncan is the best PF of all time.... Followed with sh*tty argument.... Duncan is easily the best PF of all time and is still playing...the championship count should not be the end all be all for showing that a player is the best, be there's no way you can discount it, not to mention Duncan is the best defender at his position also... It's been proven that steals are not the best way to show how good defensively a player is

PreppyAg, quit trolling

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It's hilarious that when a poster disagrees with a thread he has to be trolling. You might have a lovefest with Duncan, but I don't have to. He's easily one of the best PF's ever, but to say he's the unquestionable BEST ever is not a correct statement. It's certainly your opinion and you're entitled to it (without being called names or a troll Im ight add) but I don't share that opinion. If that makes ya'll upset go cry about it, but I'm not changing my opinion based on the rambling of some internet tough guy spurs fans that probably think the Iceman was better than Jordan. Just let it be...we won't agree on this issue...but try and stay mature about it.