How dare you! There is little better than Fat Mac!

The coolest thing about that scene was watching Mullin humbly sing his own song with the crowd. The PA kept asking fans to get off the field, but it wasn't just the fans acting out on their own - players, coaches, and everybody involved were all soaking up the moment and didn't want it to end. There's so much good content for the show.

I'm glad the stream kept going after the game, and the commentators shut up through all of the on-field celebrations and didn't resume their chatter until the trophy ceremony finally happened.

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Must be said. Ryan Reynolds has shown nothing but class since arriving at Wrexham. Treats every opponent with the utmost respect and often reserves praise for Notts County in his interviews. Football needs more owners like himpic.twitter.com/9xc5HBsfyy

— Jack Kenmare (@jackkenmare_) April 22, 2023

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"I wouldn't mind getting Mullin'd"

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I'm still not sure I buy that Ryan Reynolds is genuinely into this, but I 100% believe Mac is bought in emotionally.

100% agre

Mac is ALL in....the guy learned Galic....but he was a hardcore sports guy going into the whole project

You can see Mac crying in these highlights at the end of the match that secured promotion.

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I'm still not sure I buy that Ryan Reynolds is genuinely into this, but I 100% believe Mac is bought in emotionally.

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I feel like Ryan is into it, and cares, but professionally/financially.

I feel like Rob is 100% roped in emotionally.

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Man as much time as he spends with the club I think he is pretty bought in emotionally as well. How could he not be at this point?

You look at his interactions with the players and that seems very genuine.

You're probably right.

I guess my thinking is....I feel like Ryan would entertain a good offer but Rob would have a hard time selling, just based on their personalities.

But I could be way off.

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You're probably right.

I guess my thinking is....I feel like Ryan would entertain a good offer but Rob would have a hard time selling, just based on their personalities.

But I could be way off.

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I think they're both emotionally invested but Ryan has more money involved. So there's that.

Ben Foster...not much here but glad he is at least considering staying...

https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfers/story/4932908/ben-foster-considering-wrexham-future-after-promotion-to-english-football-league

I'm sure it had been talked about in this thread, but in 2011 they were put under administration, and needed to pay a 250k bond as a step in that process. The ownership offered up 150k, the league said not and they were 24 hours from being kicked out entirely. The fans raised the difference in 7 hours, kids literally showing up at the offices with their piggy banks to get there, one man gave the deed to his house. The local university took over the stadium to save it for the club. And this isn't exactly a massively populated or wealthy place.
Can't imagine the joy there right now to go from that to this, being promoted and being a world wide story in the process.

What will be interesting to me now is what ownership does with the promotion. Do they go all in and try to get to the the next level? You have to figure their revenue is still going to be more than their opponents. A A Or they just try and stay there a few years and consolidate their recent success?

I gotta think they're gonna try to capitalize on the momentum now and put as much space between them and the National League as possible.

I understand he's playing a level or two below his abilities, but does anyone think Mullin will be sought after by some bigger clubs in the Championship or elsewhere?

Town is about the size of my suburb in Dallas.
70k people

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What will be interesting to me now is what ownership does with the promotion.

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My take is that they entrench themselves solidly as a professional side and seek promotion to league 1 within the next few seasons. In assume the club's financial picture and ownership structure may change. It also probably depends on how long Ryan and Rob want to stick around and how involved they want to be. At one point or another Ryan and Rob might be done with the project from an ownership/involvement side and step back to being passive owners or something of the sort.

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You're probably right.

I guess my thinking is....I feel like Ryan would entertain a good offer but Rob would have a hard time selling, just based on their personalities.

But I could be way off.

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This was my thought too initially. Rob was invested immediately and Ryan seemed not as much to me. This is definitely a different type of investment from Mint Mobile or Aviation Gin tho. Everything I've seen the past couple months has been Ryan front and center, on all fronts, at games, on social media, with the fans, buying a house in Wales. This has so many more personal connections everywhere and perhaps that influenced his development with the club.

As for what do they do now? I don't see them pulling back at all. The new stand will be completed in the next 1-2 years. They definitely want this thing as high as it can go asap

He bought a house in Wales? Very cool.

I like that they're invested in the community. Like when they were going to sell beer in the stadium before the game, and their immediate question was if it would affect the bar owner around the corner.

I don't think Ryan sells until they're Premier League and the price tag has a "B" in it.

I think we underestimate how much of a cash cow this is for them already. Their summer tour is going to make a lot of money. If they come to a domed stadium in TX, I will probably be dumb and go.

I'm sure they're killing it in merchandise. Once the stands are rebuilt, ticket sales will go up.

And then there's the show itself, which is outside the financial structure of the club, but makes them money as individuals (that they can then choose to reinvest).

I think they push hard for Championship. Once there - I predict they do an IPO (but retain majority control). That'll generate the additional capital needed to climb the Championship ladder.

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I don't think Ryan sells until they're Premier League and the price tag has a "B" in it.

I think we underestimate how much of a cash cow this is for them already. Their summer tour is going to make a lot of money. If they come to a domed stadium in TX, I will probably be dumb and go.

I'm sure they're killing it in merchandise. Once the stands are rebuilt, ticket sales will go up.

And then there's the show itself, which is outside the financial structure of the club, but makes them money as individuals (that they can then choose to reinvest).

I think they push hard for Championship. Once there - I predict they do an IPO (but retain majority control). That'll generate the additional capital needed to climb the Championship ladder.

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I think you're crazy. There are really big clubs in much bigger cities with much bigger fan bases that are stuck in the Championship/ League 1. Wrexham is a great story but there's knly so far you can climb and recruit people to rural Wales.

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I feel like Ryan is into it, and cares, but professionally/financially.

I feel like Rob is 100% roped in emotionally.

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Agreed. Its not bad that Ryan is that way, I just think its clear to me Rob is more genuine if that makes sense. Im not anti-Reynolds or anything, big fan of his

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I don't think Ryan sells until they're Premier League and the price tag has a "B" in it.

I think we underestimate how much of a cash cow this is for them already. Their summer tour is going to make a lot of money. If they come to a domed stadium in TX, I will probably be dumb and go.

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Are they really going to do a North American tour? They are going to get dumpstered by MLS teams if so.

I also dont think knowing the results of the season will hurt the show at all, if anything the expectations will make it better

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I don't think Ryan sells until they're Premier League and the price tag has a "B" in it.

I think we underestimate how much of a cash cow this is for them already. Their summer tour is going to make a lot of money. If they come to a domed stadium in TX, I will probably be dumb and go.

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Are they really going to do a North American tour? They are going to get dumpstered by MLS teams if so.

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Well they are playing 2 EPL teams on the tour so I gotta think playing MLS clubs isn't going to scare them too much.

Chelsea and MUFC

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I don't think Ryan sells until they're Premier League and the price tag has a "B" in it.

I think we underestimate how much of a cash cow this is for them already. Their summer tour is going to make a lot of money. If they come to a domed stadium in TX, I will probably be dumb and go.

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Are they really going to do a North American tour? They are going to get dumpstered by MLS teams if so.

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They get play Chelsea though…

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deadbq03 said:

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I don't think Ryan sells until they're Premier League and the price tag has a "B" in it.

I think we underestimate how much of a cash cow this is for them already. Their summer tour is going to make a lot of money. If they come to a domed stadium in TX, I will probably be dumb and go.

I'm sure they're killing it in merchandise. Once the stands are rebuilt, ticket sales will go up.

And then there's the show itself, which is outside the financial structure of the club, but makes them money as individuals (that they can then choose to reinvest).

I think they push hard for Championship. Once there - I predict they do an IPO (but retain majority control). That'll generate the additional capital needed to climb the Championship ladder.

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I think you're crazy. There are really big clubs in much bigger cities with much bigger fan bases that are stuck in the Championship/ League 1. Wrexham is a great story but there's knly so far you can climb and recruit people to rural Wales.

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I think you underestimate the power of worldwide reach.

And so many clubs seem atrociously mismanaged.

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deadbq03 said:

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I don't think Ryan sells until they're Premier League and the price tag has a "B" in it.

I think we underestimate how much of a cash cow this is for them already. Their summer tour is going to make a lot of money. If they come to a domed stadium in TX, I will probably be dumb and go.

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Are they really going to do a North American tour? They are going to get dumpstered by MLS teams if so.

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In FA Cup, they beat Coventry (better talent than the average MLS team) and lost close to Sheffield U (better talent than the best MLS teams).

And presumably by the tour, they'll have a couple new signings in.

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deadbq03 said:

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I don't think Ryan sells until they're Premier League and the price tag has a "B" in it.

I think we underestimate how much of a cash cow this is for them already. Their summer tour is going to make a lot of money. If they come to a domed stadium in TX, I will probably be dumb and go.

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Are they really going to do a North American tour? They are going to get dumpstered by MLS teams if so.

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In FA Cup, they beat Coventry (better talent than the average MLS team) and lost close to Sheffield U (better talent than the best MLS teams).

And presumably by the tour, they'll have a couple new signings in.

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Agree to disagree on the overall talent levels from Championship sides to MLS, and without looking up their rosters I would be surprised if those teams were fielding their full strength against Wrexham in the FA cup

either way, will be interesting to see how the tour goes. Most of those games are pretty pointless to watch, imo, you are catching these teams as rusty as they get and normally not playing their stars.

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I don't think Ryan sells until they're Premier League and the price tag has a "B" in it.

I think we underestimate how much of a cash cow this is for them already. Their summer tour is going to make a lot of money. If they come to a domed stadium in TX, I will probably be dumb and go.

I'm sure they're killing it in merchandise. Once the stands are rebuilt, ticket sales will go up.

And then there's the show itself, which is outside the financial structure of the club, but makes them money as individuals (that they can then choose to reinvest).

I think they push hard for Championship. Once there - I predict they do an IPO (but retain majority control). That'll generate the additional capital needed to climb the Championship ladder.

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I think you're crazy. There are really big clubs in much bigger cities with much bigger fan bases that are stuck in the Championship/ League 1. Wrexham is a great story but there's knly so far you can climb and recruit people to rural Wales.

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Many of those teams are stuck in the Championship/League 1 because they were poorly run for years on end. They have loads of debt and made horrible roster decisions that kneecapped them for years.

If Blackpool can make the EPL, there's no reason why Wrexham can't. Their average attendance and stadium size is already the same as Blackpool's was when they were promoted to the EPL. Wrexham's current attendance is already higher than 4 Championship teams and it isn't far behind 2 others. So the revenue from traditional revenue streams like attendance, season tickets, etc. is already not terribly far behind the average Championship club. But they likely have the potential for new revenue streams that other Championship clubs can only dream about. And the fact is, if they make it to the EPL, then the traditional revenue stream of attendance and season tickets is pretty insignificant. It is dwarfed by TV money and all the other revenue streams that clubs develop which Wrexham is already developing as non-league club. I honestly think that in 5 years, if they continue succeeding and continue building their brand, their brand could be stronger than any club in the UK outside of the top 6 in the EPL and maybe Celtic/Rangers. They'll make a hell of a lot more money off of that than any attendance figures.

They are only 45 minutes by car from the center of Liverpool so it's not like they completely in the boonies. That should only slightly affect recruitment negatively. Ultimately, competitiveness, success, and money will likely drive talent much more than how far Wrexham might be from a major city. I do think Wrexham's catchment is relatively limited. They likely aren't ever going to be drawing 35,000 people a game. But they don't need to in order to be successful if they do everything else right.

All of that said, the odds are clearly stacked against them. It's incredibly hard to move up the ladder from where they are to the EPL. But it's definitely far from impossible and they have a lot of competitive advantages to do so. But even still, they need to make a lot of smart decisions and don't have a lot of room for error.

I was using Transfermarkt team player valuations but didn't want to nerd it up too much by mentioning them specifically. Sheffield's average player is worth more than twice that of Atlanta (best valuation in MLS).