Do you care about Wrexham or Dynamo Dresden? Nope you jumped on the bandwagons of United and Barcelona.

On the bright side, MLS teams in a world Super League would pique my interest in the domestic league.
As long as UEFA has the champions league (the current best competition) locked out for American teams, I wonder why MLS even exists.

The domestic leagues have no leverage and neither does FIFA. These clubs are powerful enough to create their own World Cup.

If the league goes through, all the naysayers will come crawling back. Because they'll have all the best players.

Germany and France are irrelevant leagues. Let me give you an example. Hamburg is a wealthy western German city with the 2nd highest population in the country. Tottenham, the club that Texags and twitter is mocking for its inclusion, could buy EVERY SINGLE football club from HSV to St. Pauli and down outright in Hamburg probably with their free cash (pre-covid), but undoubtedly if they sell Kane or Son. The French clubs are poorer and more irrelevant than the German ones.

Not that it matters but the premier league should drop every one these teams to the bottom and have them fight it out for relegation.

I'd be all in if it had some eliminate of relegation. Even if it was harder for the founding clubs to be relegated. I do want a better version of the champions league

It does have some sort of relegation. Just not the founding members.

I absolutely hate the idea and will probably stop supporting Liverpool if they go through with this.

The current champions league model represents a system where all teams in europe have some avenue of competing. Similar to the FA cup, its a competition designed to crown a winner out of an entire region with some avenue for all to participate. Not everyone will have the same odds of winning, but at least the decision comes down to football...not the size of your bank account.

Creating a selective and arbitrary league brings me no interest as a fan. I want my team to win a real competition with a logical constituency, not a made up fantasy league full of rich clubs.

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It does have some sort of relegation. Just not the founding members.

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Right. But there should be some route of relegation for the founding clubs. Maybe they still get paid while relegated.

It's clearly not going to happen though.

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It does have some sort of relegation. Just not the founding members.

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IIRC the founding members can be relegated but not for the first 5 years.

Mathguy64 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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It does have some sort of relegation. Just not the founding members.

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IIRC the founding members can be relegated but not for the first 5 years.

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That would be welcome news.

I think people could have been behind it if they said the 15 clubs couldn't be relegated for the first 5 years or so. And then just do the bottom 3 or so. Let's be real most would not be relegated.

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Arsenal just announced its starting this next season. FIFA and UEFA have said they'll ban all clubs and players from domestic competitions

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Hope they do. Only hope of getting this called off is to play hardball. Watch England melt down when 90% of their best players aren't at the Euros this summer. If that doesn't spur action, nothing will.

One flinch and it's over. The owners of these clubs clearly don't believe that FIFA, UEFA, and the domestic FAs are serious.

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These clubs are the reason there is interest in those leagues. They will not be banning them unless they are ok with being considered a lower tier league.

UEFA and the domestic leagues may attempt to kick those teams out, but I suspect they change their tune after talking with tv executives. I can see the conversation with ESPN now, "why would we pay $100 million for a La Liga contract without Barcelona, Athletico, and Real Madrid?"

This is foreshadowing of NCAA football

There goes that threat of not selling players to super league

They need a new name though

I'd be more against this if I thought UEFA and FIFA weren't corrupt.

The way i read this, the SL is basically intented to be another EL/CL type league tourney but with guaranteed spots for certain teams.

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Super League Founders Team = Texas A&M moving to SEC

Domestics, UEFA, FIFA = Sips in Football

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Gary Neville nailed it.

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Yes!

Like the concept of more games. Hate the idea of permanent teams. One of the more entertaining aspects of the EPL to me is the dogfight for top 4 positioning. Plus, half the teams in the EPL are better than arsenal this year. Why would I want to watch them get curb stomped by Barca?

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I absolutely hate the idea and will probably stop supporting Liverpool if they go through with this.

The current champions league model represents a system where all teams in europe have some avenue of competing. Similar to the FA cup, its a competition designed to crown a winner out of an entire region with some avenue for all to participate. Not everyone will have the same odds of winning, but at least the decision comes down to football...not the size of your bank account.

Creating a selective and arbitrary league brings me no interest as a fan. I want my team to win a real competition with a logical constituency, not a made up fantasy league full of rich clubs.

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This. I absolutely will stop supporting Liverpool. I'll be ride or die with Tranmere and my side piece Forest.

Couple of thoughts after letting it marinate. I REALLY didnt like the idea at first.


But does it really change much?!?!? I mean who isn't already in the final 16 that wouldn't already be there?!?! It's just they will get richer and more players

It diminishes the value of the domestic league by a lot. The results might not change on who wins, but the 2nd division clubs and the singular clubs from non-big 5 leagues that depend on the Champions League money will be hurt too.

The long-reaching affects of this league could be disastrous.

Although, how bad of a thing do you have to do to have FIFA be considered the good guys?

Legal Custodian said:

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It diminishes the value of the domestic league by a lot. The results might not change on who wins, but the 2nd division clubs and the singular clubs from non-big 5 leagues that depend on the Champions League money will be hurt too.

The long-reaching affects of this league could be disastrous.

Although, how bad of a thing do you have to do to have FIFA be considered the good guys?

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They are pledging 10B euros to the lower leagues

Here's my concern...league position will no longer matter to those teams. Nobody worrying about a top 4 spot (well, the teams that aren't these 6 in England, may, if the CL continues), is going to diminish the domestic leagues.

Right now, you have teams sitting in 5,6,7,and 9 in the PL being guaranteed a spot in the big money European game. They'll trot out their youngsters for domestic games. Being a season ticket holder means getting to watch the B team in your domestic league, and reducing your European travel to 3-4 other countries (assuming PSG will jump in, still think the Germans will hold out), so you have France, Italy, Spain. Forget trips to Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal, etc.. Maybe not a big deal, but maybe it is. And I guess some of those countries may qualify, if it doesn't cost them irreparable harm in their own domestic leagues.

And yes, those are big money teams. For now. Citeh wasn't **** before being bought out. Liverpool has been an also ran for the past 20 years, pre-Klopp. Arsenal is now crap. Granted, probably not quite as many folks pulling for Newcastle and Leeds, but I bet they'd still come out okay.

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It diminishes the value of the domestic league by a lot. The results might not change on who wins, but the 2nd division clubs and the singular clubs from non-big 5 leagues that depend on the Champions League money will be hurt too.

The long-reaching affects of this league could be disastrous.

Although, how bad of a thing do you have to do to have FIFA be considered the good guys?

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But rarely do the small guys make the top 4. Just staying out of relegation is a win....I mean today until the 97th minute it was going to be Fulham's 1st win @ Arsenal

I really enjoyed it, but dang 1st win?!?! It puts it into perspective...again, I really don't like it....but big picture not sure if much changes other than Arsenal and Tottenham can spend more, knowing they are in top 4.

Sounds like Womens will start ASAP

So are we going to talk ourselves into being fans of this thing?

I went from thinking that UEFA could threaten to kick these teams out of all leagues, World Cup, and Olympics... but now I know money lies with the talent, and FIFA and UEFA can't afford to lose all the TV eyes without these teams.

This money is going to suck the talent right out of every other non super team.

BUT the soccer might be really good.

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So are we going to talk ourselves into being fans of this thing?

I went from thinking that UEFA could threaten to kick these teams out of all leagues, World Cup, and Olympics... but now I know money lies with the talent, and FIFA and UEFA can't afford to lose all the TV eyes without these teams.

This money is going to suck the talent right out of every other non super team.

BUT the soccer might be really good.

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I was always a fan.

When I read this I immediately thought of A&M football moving to the SEC.

We bought ourselves a great coach with all the money we have got since the move happened. Hopefully we can get ourselves an SEC championship then National Championship.

The same can happen with Tottenham and Arsenal

I mean Arsenal could buy Odegaard
Spurs can hang o to Kane/Son

Otherwise all three could be playing for Barca/Real

Now I understand all the *****ing and moaning on Euro sites about Americans

completely out of touch with the history and soul of the game

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Now I understand all the *****ing and moaning on Euro sites about Americans

completely out of touch with the history and soul of the game

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Well, this is actually much worse in that regard. MLS is created in line with the rest of American sporting culture.

This is a blatant money grab, and I do worry what it will do to the domestic leagues

I just don't know how anyone who is invited says no....that's equivalent of bowtie telling SEC no, we're going with Baylor and forming old SWC as Texas goes to PAC 12.

The whole thing is corrupt. Man City shouldn't even be playing in champions league this year, so I don't know why everyone is getting all high and mighty now.

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Legal Custodian said:

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It diminishes the value of the domestic league by a lot. The results might not change on who wins, but the 2nd division clubs and the singular clubs from non-big 5 leagues that depend on the Champions League money will be hurt too.

The long-reaching affects of this league could be disastrous.

Although, how bad of a thing do you have to do to have FIFA be considered the good guys?

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But rarely do the small guys make the top 4. Just staying out of relegation is a win....I mean today until the 97th minute it was going to be Fulham's 1st win @ Arsenal

I really enjoyed it, but dang 1st win?!?! It puts it into perspective...again, I really don't like it....but big picture not sure if much changes other than Arsenal and Tottenham can spend more, knowing they are in top 4.

Sounds like Womens will start ASAP

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You're right about the small guys. They fight for a PL payout each year. It kills the middle guys though. Leicester, Everton, Newcastle, and possibly west ham. Teams that have some money and support that generally consistently stay in the top flight, and on occasion qualify for CL. What's in it for those teams? I think that is where the majority of the newly acquired talent for the "founders" come from. Which will in turn make the domestic league that much more boring unless you have two of the chosen teams playing each other.

I still don't think it happens but if it does happen, I absolutely will stop supporting Manchester United. I'll probably turn into a neutral with a larger interest in Salford City just for the feels.

I also think if it does happen, it's doomed to fail. At least for a portion of this group. If your entire brand is built on excellence and success what happens when you...suck for extended periods of time AND you alienate all of your generational, local fans? United haven't won the league in nearly a decade. Arsenal in nearly two decades. Spurs in...forever. Congratulations on finishing 16th in the Super League from now till the end of time. The Super League will naturally develop its tiers...just like the domestic leagues. Heck, it already has its tiers and it's not even officially a thing yet. And I'm going to point and laugh my ass off at the Uniteds, Arsenals, and Spurs of the league that become the perennial also-rans.