texagbeliever said:
I don't agree much with this comparison. The Turks were invited by the Germans to help prop up the social system that requires both a growing population and a large low paying class. The Turks have largely failed to assimilate into German culture and problems have begun to rise from 2nd and 3rd generation Turks beginning to lash out against Germany and turn toward stronger Islamic beliefs.
The Turkish president is a sign of Turkey's move towards Islamic fundamentalism and is something many Germans oppose and fear. Giving validity to the Turkish president, by posing in a photo with him, gives validity to islamic fundamentalism. Especially in the eyes of the middle eastern youth in Germany.
That being said, i think Ozil quit the DFB because he got benched in the world cup, is 29, and won't accept a future role coming off the bench. Upset with how the German fans have turned on him, he decided to hit back at them by attacking them with this racism drivel.
C Loves L said:
While he's portraying them as "racist" and possibly there is some prejudice in this scenario. Like most things there are two sides to this.
The Turks are looked at in Germany like illegal Mexicans are here in the US. The Turks are flooding Germany and shout , "nazi" every time they don't get their way. Muslims are doing the exact same thing in Germany with the nazi stuff but being brazen by saying things like, "we will take your women and take over your country"
Like many do here in the US, the Turks and the muslims have found ways to manipulate those around them. It's a shame that events that happened over 70 years ago are being used as a way to manipulate.
If I lived in Germany I wouldn't be patient with muslims and a large portion of Turks either.
Here's the real answer. Not likely that he'll meaningfully start for the DFB in the future and not enough of a class act to bow out on top, move on with his club career, and mention something about future possibility of being involved in management after his playing career ends.texagbeliever said:
That being said, i think Ozil quit the DFB because he got benched in the world cup, is 29, and won't accept a future role coming off the bench.
He hasn't played up to his skill level for club and country the last couple of years.Clever&FunnyAg said:
Ozil is the most technically gifted player of this generation of German players, and he feels can't represent Germany because of racism, including in the highest levels of the DFB. That's appalling and shocking from a major world-power in 2018. He likely wouldn't have been a starter at age 32 in 4-years time, but certainly would have contributed to that team. This isn't a fringe player crying racism to complain about his opportunities, it's a world super star retiring in his prime from a major international team.
Ozil was born in Germany, his family has been there for several generations. If he's being treated and viewed like an "illegal Mexican", then he might just have a beef.C Loves L said:
While he's portraying them as "racist" and possibly there is some prejudice in this scenario. Like most things there are two sides to this.
The Turks are looked at in Germany like illegal Mexicans are here in the US. The Turks are flooding Germany and shout , "nazi" every time they don't get their way. Muslims are doing the exact same thing in Germany with the nazi stuff but being brazen by saying things like, "we will take your women and take over your country"
Like many do here in the US, the Turks and the muslims have found ways to manipulate those around them. It's a shame that events that happened over 70 years ago are being used as a way to manipulate.
If I lived in Germany I wouldn't be patient with muslims and a large portion of Turks either.
Ozil's rated behind Aaron Ramsey (both are M @ Arsenal) in overall offensive stats 7.25 vs 7.27, despite Ramsey playing fewer matches. Heck, Ozil's not even in the top 20 when it comes to Offensive ratings.Clever&FunnyAg said:
Because of his body language?
This is a tired argument that doesn't hold weight. He created the 2nd most chances of anyone in the PL last year, only to De Bruyne. Created more chances per 90 minutes in the World Cup than any other player (5.5 per 90).
You don't sign Ozil to be a defensive midfielder.
This is Ozil in a nutshelltexagbeliever said:
Ozil is one of those players that defies stats. I think almost any arsenal fan would agree that his spacing is great and that he can play great balls. They'd also probably say he disappears easily in big matches. The fact he isn't ever going to put in a defensive effort doesn't endear him as well.
C Loves L said:texagbeliever said:
I don't agree much with this comparison. The Turks were invited by the Germans to help prop up the social system that requires both a growing population and a large low paying class. The Turks have largely failed to assimilate into German culture and problems have begun to rise from 2nd and 3rd generation Turks beginning to lash out against Germany and turn toward stronger Islamic beliefs.
The Turkish president is a sign of Turkey's move towards Islamic fundamentalism and is something many Germans oppose and fear. Giving validity to the Turkish president, by posing in a photo with him, gives validity to islamic fundamentalism. Especially in the eyes of the middle eastern youth in Germany.
That being said, i think Ozil quit the DFB because he got benched in the world cup, is 29, and won't accept a future role coming off the bench. Upset with how the German fans have turned on him, he decided to hit back at them by attacking them with this racism drivel.
Out of curiosity, what makes you think the German population doesn't view the Turks in the sense I mentioned? I have family that's lived there since birth and some of them only know how to speak German. They specifically used the Mexican immigrant comparison to explain to me how the Turks are viewed there. I was told this over a year ago.
Unfortunately, the cousin of mine that told me this doesn't believe in any God
TXAggie2011 said:Ozil was born in Germany, his family has been there for several generations. If he's being treated and viewed like an "illegal Mexican", then he might just have a beef.C Loves L said:
While he's portraying them as "racist" and possibly there is some prejudice in this scenario. Like most things there are two sides to this.
The Turks are looked at in Germany like illegal Mexicans are here in the US. The Turks are flooding Germany and shout , "nazi" every time they don't get their way. Muslims are doing the exact same thing in Germany with the nazi stuff but being brazen by saying things like, "we will take your women and take over your country"
Like many do here in the US, the Turks and the muslims have found ways to manipulate those around them. It's a shame that events that happened over 70 years ago are being used as a way to manipulate.
If I lived in Germany I wouldn't be patient with muslims and a large portion of Turks either.
Clever&FunnyAg said:
Yeah, weird that the first couple of posts really took off on this board. A comparison between Turkish people and illegal (specifically Mexican) immigrants is a bit strange.
Ozil is the most technically gifted player of this generation of German players, and he feels can't represent Germany because of racism, including in the highest levels of the DFB. That's appalling and shocking from a major world-power in 2018. He likely wouldn't have been a starter at age 32 in 4-years time, but certainly would have contributed to that team. This isn't a fringe player crying racism to complain about his opportunities, it's a world super star retiring in his prime from a major international team.
He took a picture with a far right-winged leader in Turkey. He shouldn't have let that happen, however, the hate received far out-weighted the crime.
And thus 4) he just might have a legit beef about racism/xenophobia/whatever you want to call it.C Loves L said:1. His family is from Turkey,TXAggie2011 said:Ozil was born in Germany, his family has been there for several generations. If he's being treated and viewed like an "illegal Mexican", then he might just have a beef.C Loves L said:
While he's portraying them as "racist" and possibly there is some prejudice in this scenario. Like most things there are two sides to this.
The Turks are looked at in Germany like illegal Mexicans are here in the US. The Turks are flooding Germany and shout , "nazi" every time they don't get their way. Muslims are doing the exact same thing in Germany with the nazi stuff but being brazen by saying things like, "we will take your women and take over your country"
Like many do here in the US, the Turks and the muslims have found ways to manipulate those around them. It's a shame that events that happened over 70 years ago are being used as a way to manipulate.
If I lived in Germany I wouldn't be patient with muslims and a large portion of Turks either.
2. He's proud of his heritage
3. Germans have issues with all things Turkey