So Howard really was upset and that really happened??
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0626-plaschke-gold-cup-20110626,0,7072114.column

I guess I believe it b/c even the semis at Reliant had the stadium announcer switching to spanish for Panama intros - I don't mind the bilingual approach esp w/ the matchups but shouldn't it have been all english and then spanish rather than either/or?? What if you were rooting for Panama (or Mexico) but were raised in US and only spoke english? A little condescending that it was assumed all of country x's fans needed only the one language - same for USA - might we not have fans that only speak spanish??

I just hope that someday soon USA can see >50% of the arena supports them - like the Ags though, it's going to take Wins.

AND why didn't we wear the REDS?? they were clean and lucky...

Enjoying the game and looking fwd to the next big match - peace.

Edited to add link to LA Times article...

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If you're refering to me not making any friends by taunting, rubbing it in. The friends i would 'making' are the sames ones bashing the country, fans with cheap shots. I bet you guys would have made a couple of seperate posts just to capitalize on the victory over 'los gigantes del CONCACAF'

I'm glad we have fans who support Mexico (and other NT) on Texags. For the most part, they know their soccer and make things interesting. I went back and re-read most of my posts from last night and want to apologize if some things I said in the midst of the game were in poor taste or offended anyone. Sure, it can be plenty annoying to have to listen to someone harp on the shortcomings of the USNT while their team is soundly crushing them, but it's better than watching alone I guess.

The fact that the US can't get a home crowd does get a little frustrating, but just like with our team, things are on the upswing. (It may be a long upswing, but nevertheless it's getting better.) Mexico was for sure the better team and I expected them to win, but then the Americans went and got my hopes up...

In the years to come, I do expect to see increased support for the US side as the quality of our players improves and second and third generations of kids from soccer-knowledgeable immigrant families begin to relate with and root for the American teams.

Thanks again for the entertainment and banter last night. ¡Viva America!

Just finished reading the LA Times article - the behavior of the fans towards the anthem and the players following the game is a blackeye for what should have been a great night for them.

Like I said last night - cheer for whomever you want, but don't boo my (and in reality, their) nation's anthem.

Let them boo our anthem as they continue to eek a living over here and not in that sorry excuse for a country south of the border.

Your username is very appropriate. All you are doing is regurgitating the same tired crap that others used last night. Please try to lend something useful to this board or go.

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Nice to see some respectful fans around here. The back and forth banter is fun and all (and let's not fool ourselves - it's a bitter rivalry), but some of y'all take it way too far.

Wow, 777 posts of what I can only assume is a lot of emotion. I don't want to dwell on this too much because it's too painful still but congrats to Mexico. The better team won.

As for the behavior of the fans and/or the makeup of the fans at the Rose Bowl, I've never had a problem with Mexican-Americans cheering for Mexico. Completely understandable. But to be so disrespectful to the national anthem, the USNT, etc is just so disappointing. A guy in that link above said something to the effect of "we are booing the team, not the country, there's a difference". Frankly, I don't think there is. This isn't club football...this is national team football. There is a much stronger connection between a team and the country then between a team and say Manchester. So when you boo the team, you are booing the country that team represents...and that is sad to see when you live in that country.

But all of that shouldn't be the main focus of the day after discussion (though I understand why it is). The main focus should be congratulating a supremely talented Mexico team that played some fantastic football at times and thoroughly beat their greatest rival. Sucks to be USNT supporter right now but we'll be back. See you in WCQ Mexico.

We aren't supposed to like Mexico. They are our biggest rival. And their fans are known world-wide for their horrible sportsmanship. Their fanbase makes it easy to hate them. It's not just my opinion, every Central American feels the same way.

I don't care if you are 100% Mexican. Born there, raised there, and still live there. I don't care if you are 3rd generation American with diluted Mexican blood. Or anywhere in between. Root for whatever team you want. I don't need a justification.

The racist stuff is always over the top. But the faux "offended Mexican" fans deserved every bit of the trash talk. This is Texas based board, you'll always be in the minority. Don't act surprised when people don't support your poor decision.

I won't name names, but everybody knows the jackass El Tri fans on here. They remind me of a 6 year old. They say "nanny nanny boo boo" over and over. They say "I'm not touching you, why should this bother you?" - while waving hands an inch from your face. Then they stick out their tongues. Eventually, big brother gets tired of it and drapes sweaty sock over their tongue.

Then the six year old screams "MOMMY, big brother just grossed me out with sock on my tongue!". Mommy isn't fooled and neither are we.

To sum up a long post. Enjoy the victory. But we're still the big brother.

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Holy lol

I just read all the posts

Sounds like I missed out on quite a discussion!

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Maybe in everything else, but not in soccer. This is a soccer thread, and in futbol, you are numero dos.

Whoops, I hope it doesn't piss Tim Howard off that I said that in spanish.

Mexico won this battle. But the United States has won the war for last twenty years. Indisputable.

USA = patron de Concacaf

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I doubt he has a Texags account...

We just let them win the Gold Cup...so we can whip their a$$ in the next World Cup!!!

All kidding aside...based on the highlights I've been able to watch (didn't get to see the live match and don't have DVR to go back and watch)...the better team won, hands down. They had numerous opportunities beyond the 4 they capitalized on. They look to be a very talented team and have the edge (for now) over the US. Also, their final goal was straight up nasty. That chip was a thing of beauty and that defender made a valiant effort to head away but it was too perfect an effort into the upper 90.

http://www.slate.com/id/2297602/

Another interesting article - questioning both Bradley and the Gold Cup but recognizing Mexico.

lol how is USA behind Mexico...if I'm being rational, its equal but who finished first in the 2010 world cup qualifying again?

Oh yeah, USA.

it's cyclical...it's not a bad thing for Mexico and the US to continually swap for tops in CONCACAF. It's Mexico now, and looks like it may be that way for a while, but it's like UEFA, there is no clear cut "top dog."

I hope Mexico represents CONCACAF well at the Confed Cup in 2013, I just hope they don't win the whole thing

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Did you not watch the game yesterday?

You want to use world cup qualifying as a measure but just completely ignore a more recent tourney.

I dont get why all the articles are leaving out that the US had more than just the two chances we scored on. Mexico clearly outplayed us, in particular in the central midfield(my opinion, just way too much space for their skill players), but we played some good ball here and there...I think Edu should have been put on for bradley/jones, didn't matter which one.

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If you're refering to me not making any friends by taunting, rubbing it in. The friends i would 'making' are the sames ones bashing the country, fans with cheap shots. I bet you guys would have made a couple of seperate posts just to capitalize on the victory over 'los gigantes del CONCACAF'

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I was directly referring to you. While there have been some posters who have been rather disrespectful lots of us haven't been, and I'm also not a big fan of the "he hit me first" defense. Class begets class.

I also don't think any of us would've used anything remotely related to "los gigantes del CONCACAF" as this is Mexico's first win over a US A side in something like 11 or 12 years.

It was a convincing win and Mexico looks like the better team at present, but historically speaking over the last ten years Mexico is far from the dominant team in the region and has perennially underachieved. This was a nice win but the team still has a lot to prove.

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as this is Mexico's first win over a US A side in something like 11 or 12 years.

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So I guess we're not counting world cup qualifiers?

Here is a list of the games since the 02 WC game (not counting friendlies):

06 wc qualifier @ Azteca: Mexico 2-1
06 wc qualifier @ Ohio: USA 2-0
07 gold cup final: USA 2-1
10 wc qualifier @ Ohio: 2-0 USA
09 gold cup final: Mexico 5-0
10 wc qualifier @ Azteca: Mexico 2-1

Let's discount the 09 gold cup final before you all get your panties in a wad. That leaves us with a record of 2-3 USA. Hardly the dominating USA era you make it sound like. Or do you want to make excuses for those USA losses too? Were those C teams?

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I bet he meant on US soil

Pilot, at least admit you won the game because of Bornstein playing.

Altidore injured, Holden injured, Chandler not playing...without them playing you can't really call Mexico the current better team.

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Yes because Mexico did not have 2 starters (defenders on top of that)hurt during the game......idiot. Quit making excuses.

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Yes because Mexico did not have 2 starters (defenders on top of that)hurt during the game......idiot. Quit making excuses.

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I went into much greater depth on my post last page, so I'll just copy that here.

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Last night we really missed not having timmy chandler to plug in. Bradley has no faith in Spector (don't blame him, really) and isn't going to plug him in for Dolo. Bornstein was god awful. Mexico was the better team and deserved to win, but if Dolo doesn't go down no way in my mind Mexico scores 4 goals in regulation. Maybe 2 and then score the winner in extra time, but at least two of those goals are directly attributable to bornsteins ****ty defense. We really missed Timmy Chandler. No doubt in my mind if he was on the roster, he comes in there, and he's 10x the player bornstein is. To Mexican fans griping about how one injury can't mean that much when you had two: yes it can. Fact of the matter is that the US starters are very good. The problem is that many of the backups are not. Injuries are a part of soccer. You deal with them (see stu holden, jozy altidore not playing). But at the LB and RB positions, we are exceptionally weak off the bench. Lichaj was just found at LB this tourney. Our only really decent RB other than Dolo is sitting in Germany recuperating from his first full season. If Baby Bradley or Jones or someone else had gone down, it would have hurt, but I think losing Dolo or Lichaj would have been the hardest loss to overcome for this squad.

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The USA A-team can beat the Mexico A team. The USA B-team's back line is such an incredible drop-off in talent it's not even funny.

Also way to resort to ad hominem there. Really drives your point home. Solid choice. Keeps giving you that moral high ground against all these "mean usa fans".

Also, before someone doesn't bother to read my whole piece and jumps to conclusions, don't forget this line right here

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We didn't, we lost. In no way does that take away from your win. Regardless, saying Bornstein was not directly responsible for our defensive failings in the back 3rd on all but the second goal (having reviewed the game now) is silly, because he was.

the issue of depth continues to plague the USMNT. kampfers your point is dead on. not to take anything away from Mexico.

so mexico was missing Rodriguez and Ochoa and Salcido injured...talavera's not even the 3rd best GK, he's just one of 'Chepo's' guys from toluca

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The Mexican A team can also beat the USA A team.

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Yes it can. The teams are very evenly matched. I wasn't trying to take anything away from Mexico, as I've already said. multiple times.

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Also way to resort to ad hominem there. Really drives your point home. Solid choice. Keeps giving you that moral high ground against all these "mean usa fans".

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I don't care about any of the soccer smack talk. You guys can throw the USA dominance on US soil all you want. The stuff that irks me is when people start bashing things that are completely irrelevant to soccer.

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Correct, I was moments away from bedtime when I typed that.

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Lichaj had a rough go yesterday. Part of it was losing Dolo so early - he stabilizes our D. Another part was that I think Lichaj plays better when he's allowed to push up the wing and support the offense with crosses. He wasn't able to do that as much because Mexico had us under intense pressure most of the game.

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Lichaj also switched from left back, where he'd gotten settled in during the past few matches, to right back where he hasn't played much recently. All things considered I thought he did fairly well, Mexico's attack came largely on our left flank and they only had maybe one or two chances from the right.

Once Chandler gets settled in and we've got Holden back in midfield we'll have a much more stabilized defensive presence out there, we just need to find the right balance of new talent and veterans.

highway 59 runs both ways...