Tech is obsessed with A&M and tu...

They probably assume that TexAgs is actually a joint venture between Texas and the Ags. After being on this board for a long time, I'm starting to wonder that myself...

It is a Tech rivalry/trivia tidbit that their horse statue's hindquarters point towards College Station. There is nothing that I can think of at A&M that references Tech at all, unless you count the fish spurs prior to the game each year (if they even still do that).

Tech isn't such a bad school, but they have some very classless students/alumni, and they don't seem to care. We have some classless students/alumni as well as every school does, but instances of bad behavior are comparatively rare and often met with criticism from other Ags in the area (I'm not talking about late night bar scenes with drunk kids).

The truth is that Tech is relevant to us almost exclusively because they are in our conference and we can't seem to beat them (dating back to '95 anyway - my freshman year). If we were beating Tech 75% of the time or more, we probably wouldn't care any more about them than we do Baylor or OkState.

I actually considered applying to Tech, but luckily my acceptance letter from A&M arrived before I had to do anything drastic.

Probably for the same reason we seem obsessed with OU.



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slorch, you are indeed full of it! i wouldn't let facts get in the way of this discussion either if i were you. you have received a good dose of what all tekkers receive after leaving the confines of loop 289 and sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide road. you know the truth and the truth hurts! it must indeed be painful to have spent all that time and money in lubyuk to discover it was all a big mistake. my experience with my tekker friends (and i have several) has been, well, they simply regret having gone there ! they won't even put tekker stickers on their cars, especially the ones who live, say, east of lubyuk! i respect you for having to wakeup every morning and having to defend your school but it must get old. always remember Texas A&M has smarter kids (fact) and smarter kids = better jobs (fact) and better jobs = more money (fact) and, well, i think you understand (FACT?).

i appreciate the job that those smart ****'s do for me.


what facts are getting in the way?

BTW, I live in the Woodlands and actually do have a Tech sticker on my truck, so there goes all of that **** logic you spilled out there.

Look, I'm not here to defend anything. My point was this- Why do some aggies feel the need to do to tech what the Sips do to them? I thought y'all had more class than that?

A tceh alum talking about class?

And, slorch, before you try to retort, no, tceh fans have no room to talk about class.

"But why do people always say we are classless fans? Sure, we have a few bad people, but most tceh fans are good people who only want to support their school." Really? Which Big XII team has fans that are KNOWN for throwing batteries at visiting team and their band? Which B12 school has fans that spray painted all over TAMU's campus when they came to visit a few years back? Which B12 school has fans that vandalized my car not once, not twice, not even thrice, but four, yes, four times during the years that I lived in lubbutt during med school (and, yes, I know that at least twice they were tceh fans because they were caught in the act)? Which B12 school has fans that destroy their own stadium when they win a football game, so often that they have to have state police at EVERY home game?

The answer to all of the above is, you guessed it, rectum tceh. So, with all of the above being true, it seems to me that you have more than a few bad apples. Your school is known far and wide as having what are some of the worst fans throughout college sports. So, defend your little hyped up juco all you want, but don't open your mouth up about class.

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what facts are getting in the way?

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Post Tech's academic rankings and football hostorical stats please. Show us some facts. The truth is nothing I said is false, I'm not saying Tech isn't a "nice" school, but when it comes to academic prestige and football history, tech falls short in every category.

I posted my views earlier in this thread, so there can be no doubt about my world view regarding Tech. That being said, slorch does make a few valid points. Tech does have some decent fans. And Tech is a better school than Sam Houston or SFA.

Now if Tech would just kick out the lower 70 percent who play with developmental toys so much in their dorm rooms that they are constantly needing new batteries... :-)

Here are some stats to show that A&M is not too far ahead of Tech as far as academics are concerned:

Acceptance Rate:
Tech - 67%
A&M - 72%

SAT Scores:
Tech - 1020-1220
A&M - 1070-1300

Alumni Giving:
Tech - 20%
A&M - 20%

23% of Texas Tech's student body is in the top 10% of their graduating classes, which means all had the opportunity to attend Texas A&M but turned it down to go to Texas Tech.

Source: http://www.oirsp.tamuk.edu/Reports_General/USNews06Final.pdf

anybody feel like disputing the facts that have been presented by Jones?

I go read other schools' message boards all the time, for several reasons.

1 - I like sports in general, so it's nice to pick up info on what's going inside a program that you don't get from espn or texags.

2 - Get a feel for the excitement level of certain games or programs... meaning it's nice to go over to hornfans or raiderpower and see a bunch of threads about our basketball team or our baseball team.

3 - On some sites, there are some level-headed, informative posters that are nice to "talk shop" with. Of course everyone's at least a little bit of a homer, but there are a lot of nice posters out there.

4 - Every once in awhile, it's refreshing to see that texags doesn't have a monopoly on idiots.

Of course, that's just me...

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640 all time wins, 2 National Titles, 20 Conference Titles

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FIFY

643 all time wins, 1 National Title, 19 Conference Titles....

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And folks around here claim that Texas fans are arrogant....Good Lord!

You want to shut the Tech fans up...beat them....until then, they own you and they know it.

For TheJones54

Out of the top 125
52 UT
60 A&M

Third Tier 125-180
ttu - keep trying only 65-120 to go.

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23% of Texas Tech's student body is in the top 10% of their graduating classes, which means all had the opportunity to attend Texas A&M but turned it down to go to Texas Tech.

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Congrats, you tied with Couger high! But be careful, UNT is only 2 percentage points behind!

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Out of the top 125
52 UT
60 A&M

Third Tier 125-180
ttu - keep trying only 65-120 to go.

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Those are the facts.

Of course tech is going to get students from the top 10%, nobody is saying the whole school is filled with rejects trying to get into Austin or College Station. But that fact is, tech is not considered an upper tier school. Having SAT requirments close to A&M's and several from top 10% doesn't mean tech is "almost there" with A&M in the academic world.

Just like having scoreboard alone the last several years on A&M doesn't mean people now all of a sudden consider tech to have a better overall reputation in football.

I think we're all straying from the primary subject. There is NO reason for a graduate of another school to surf and post on a site that is not theirs. Slerch..sloch..slech or whatever almost had a point until he got all whiny and started dropping *-bombs.

Considering the overall comments, I call the myth that a Tceh could ever have a point busted.

Because they feel inferior to you and desperatly want to be your "main rival".

Kind of like.............

Never mind.

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Y'all can make fun of our degrees/ IQ and such, whatever helps you sleep at night. I see this behavior as being an elitist, just like a sip. Y'all are doing exactly what you accuse TU fans of doing. It's more than ironic to me, that fans as "classy" and "traditional" as Aggies would resort to these antics so that they may feel better about who they are.

For the good Aggies- here's to competing well against each other.

For those who want to degrade Tech- why didn't you just go to texas, you'd fit in great there.

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I hate Tech, and it sickens me to lose to them, but he has a point here. I have always found it interesting how we claim the sips are arrogant, etc., yet we come off the same way towards Tech fans.

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Those are the facts.

Of course tech is going to get students from the top 10%, nobody is saying the whole school is filled with rejects trying to get into Austin or College Station. But that fact is, tech is not considered an upper tier school. Having SAT requirments close to A&M's and several from top 10% doesn't mean tech is "almost there" with A&M in the academic world.

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First off, several of your Aggie brethern have stated that Tech is where people go once they get rejected by Texas and A&M. It's a fact that that is not the case with regards to atleast 23% of the studet body, and many other students also could have very well made the same choice.

If you research what goes into a college's final ranking, you'll find that 25% of it is based on "peer review." If you go and ask anyone which school is better, Harvard or Texas A&M, everyone will undoubtedly say Harvard. Will they look at all the undergrad programs for both schools and compare? Will they consider SAT averages for incoming students or outgoing salaries? No, they will simply say Harvard is better without blinking an eye.

Now Harvard is probably a better school, but with the current system in place, A&M will never be able to beat them because of their reputation.

The same thing hurts Tech as well. If you go back 10-20 years ago, Tech's average incoming freshman SAT score was abysmal. Does Tech's past reputation, which has nothing to do with the school now, hold it down in the rankings? You bet.

The best way to judge a school is to personally look at the facts yourself, not some rankings that are seriously skewed because of the way they are calculated.

http://www.big12sports.com/championships/big12-championships.html

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The best way to judge a school is to personally look at the facts yourself, not some rankings that are seriously skewed because of the way they are calculated.

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You mean, any rankings that put A&M and Texas in another league above tech? Haha.

A&M has been building a reputation as a great university for many years, we weren't have issues with our standards a decade ago like tech. So don't try to spin things to put A&M and tech in the same grouping, because it's not the case. Not saying tech isn't improving as a university, but you act like you can just snap your fingers and a tech diploma will all of a sudden have the same respect and value as a diploma from A&M and Texas.

Techies upset about people saying "well you're just filled with kids that couldn't get into A&M and Texas" need to lighten up. Aggies get made fun of all the time for no reason, and not just from longhorns. But 99% of us just laugh because we're confident enough in our school's reputation and standing to realize the joke is either light-hearted or just ignorance.

I'm sure tech is improving. But so is Harvard, UT, A&M, etc. It is a race where you can't catch up. But don't worry, the quality of yor undergrad only matters for your first job and post grad choices. After that it is up to you. So there is still hope.

On a side note, my roomate in college flunked out of A&M and ended up graduating from tech. Purely anecdotal, but I am certain that the reverse does not occur.

I don't think many argue as of right now that overall, A&M is a superior academic school then Texas Tech.

The main point is that A&M students pretend that Tech is simply filled with a bunch of morons. Tech is gaining ground very rapidly on the top schools in the state.

As of now, the average SAT score between an incoming A&M student is about 50 points higher then that of a Tech student. The difference was 4 times that 10-20 years ago.

Although I'm sure A&M's education system is improving and is a moving benchmark, Tech has seriously improved their quality of education compared to the improvement Texas A&M has made.

Some of the improvement can be attributed to the fact that Tech was so low and improvement from an average SAT score of 900 to 1000 is much easier then going from 1200 to 1300.

The fact still remains though, smarter and smarter kids are heading to Texas Tech.

As for the comment made by gigem314 about a Tech grad calling the rankings biased, I would like you to explain how you feel about the "Peer Review" portion of the rankings accounting for 25% of a schools final score. Do you possibly think this could benefit the scools who have a long-standing reputation as opposed to one that has recently made drastic improvements?

I just would like something a little more intelligent than "Anything that puts Tech below A&M and UT. HA HA....blah blah blah"






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The main point is that for A&M students to pretend that Tech is simply filled with a bunch of morons

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Uh, no disrespect, but it isn't just A&M students, its pretty much the entire state.

Also, I would use the word "stigma" not pretend, whether its true or not is immaterial

Just be glad you made the right choice.

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Do you possibly think this could benefit the scools who have a long-standing reputation as opposed to one that has recently made drastic improvements?

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Could be. But like I said, A&M has done a lot in the last 40 years to build its reputation as a great school - and not just in admission standards. And this was against schools with even more of an established reputation than us.

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I just would like something a little more intelligent than "Anything that puts Tech below A&M and UT. HA HA....blah blah blah"

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Oh please. I say one thing and it flusters you enough to comment on it. I had plenty of intelligent things to say in my post. It just wasn't what you wanted to hear...not my problem. You're the one saying other rankings are "bias".

US News isn't the only ranking that has A&M in an upper tier far above tech. And even if you're right, then maybe the peer reviews are holding A&M back from being ranked higher. Point is, there's no real way of knowing. So I don't understand why you have to make such a big issue out of it.

One reason why I think the rankings are a big issue is that historically, schools that produce a higher rank then the previous year see a decrease in their acceptance rate.

There is a direct, inverse correlation between making a jump in the US News rankings and a schools acceptance rate which leads most people to believe that they are very important to high school kids selecting a school and their parents.

You also make a valid point about A&M possibly deserving to be higher. I mentioned this is one of my earlier posts as well.

For A&M to move up in the pecking order, they will have to fight against the strong reputations of some of the elite institutions in the country. I personally don't think it's fair to have a ranking system that is so heavily based (25%) on what other university presidents and deans think.

Also I would like to point out, that my primary issue is not with Tech in relation to A&M. I would think every school's goal is to the best it can possibly be, not to take pride in being ahead of another school.

I'm sure most Aggies would like to be ahead of Texas in the rankings, but their main goal is probably to be as highly ranked as possible, irrelative to where UT is ranked.

Folks who argue "rankings" about whose university is "better" are covering for their own insecurities, etc. Makes about as much sense as arguing over who won the Westminster Dog Show. Your basic "So What?" I chose A&M and loved it. I didn't care then what others thought about my decision and I don't care now.

Have I seen first hand classless behavior by students/fans of UT and Tech? Sure, add some other schools, too. To include A&M a few times. Classless behavior and poor sportsmanship is an all too common occurence in a world where folks like Jerry Jones, Terrell Owens, Mike Price, "The Pirate", Ray Lewis, Rasheed Wallace, Dennis Rodman, Brian Bosworth, Ricky Williams, Rhett Bomar, Ray Morriss, Les Miles, etc., are held up as sports "heroes" worthy of our admiration. Class is a function of character and it is where you find it. Tech has had some recent struggles with poor fan behavior and seems to institutionally "wink" at it. Things that go around, come around, and Tech will have to deal with this eventually. And probably not on their terms.

Take your rankings and hide them where the sun shines not. Good people are where you find them. Over the years I have known excellent folks from all kinds of places and some real jerks with an A&M diploma on the wall. You got to take them one at a time. To hide yourself behind some mysterious "ranking" in order to somehow prop yourself up around the company water cooler makes about as much sense as comparing weenies. I REALLY don't care about yours, trust me.

I chose A&M. Make your own choice but don't waste my time expousing how yours is better than mine. Look up "Envy"; you got it bad.



"Recall.....Step off on Hullabaloo..."

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Good post, WBBQ74.

BTW, I wasn't cursing. I was using the alternative spelling for A-G-G-I-E, and the filter still blocked it. LMAO!!!

Also the 5 post limit for rookies is a laugher, and a pain. I'm sitting there trying to reply to some of the posts, and I was blocked. i understand why the board was set up that way, but it makes it look like I'm a hit-n-run artist, which I am not.

Anyway, I appreciate those of you that acknowledge what I said, and I still don't understand the others who continue to try and do the Sip treatment to Tech.

I enjoy reading many boards, especially during football season. I f you go through here, there are plenty of Aggie references to Tech, without a raider bringing it up in the conversation. I don't think that is Tech being obsessed with A&M.

I look forward to the future discussions on here. Honestly, I wish the Red Raider Message board was 1/2 as entertaining as this one. take that at face value. there are lots of knowledgable posters on here, and I said that in my first post. That has something to do with Techsans looking at your board as well.