Texas... You imply quite openly that Jackie was guilty of paying players by comparing him with OJ. You said it. Back it up with some facts.

Gimme a cow pie and fries...

When the NCAA placed A&M on probation in 1988, administrative violations citing AD Jackie Sherrill were mentioned, so yes Sherrill was found guilty of illegal practices. But Sherrill could have survived that. When the George Smith "hush money" allegations came out, Sherrill was finished at A&M. Although the NCAA didn't act on that one, the evidence is overwhelming. Nobody sends loans through express mail and pays cash when doing so.

While people have to continuously blame the media or other schools for those episodes is beyond me. Sherrill broke the rules, he got caught and he had to pay the penalty. End of discussion.

ac, you are either a sip, pathetic liar, or both. How about a link to the release by the NCAA to prove all your BS.

While I don't have a specific link, when the NCAA placed A&M on probation in 1988 they cited "a lack of institutional control". This falls on the AD, who happened to be named Jackie Sherrill. How can this be blamed on the media or another school? How does this qualify as "pathetic lying"?

ac, did you not know that George Smith changed his story? FYI dumbass, if the FedEx crap was true, Sherrill would have NEVER coached at MSU, the NCAA would have made sure of that. Know your facts and provide some links before you start rambling on about BS and accusing people of doing things that NEVER happened! You really think the NCAA would just drop the case if this was a known fact? ...Give me a brake.

Gig'em Aggies!

Getting back to the discussion theme of this post.

If by any miracle Fran starts winning (that's a big 'if' at this point), and further, starts beating t.u. like Jackie did in his day, do you really think Fran will escape any trumped up cheating charges and subsequent NCAA investigation?

I think there's a good chance that history could repeat itself. Beat the sips, and the state's media and investigative hound dogs will be all over your a$$.

KJN86, ask and you shall receive.

http://tinyurl.com/cg3db

Also remember after these violations, Jackie and aTm were accused of other violation but Jackie resigned before they were verified. Through the efforts of the new aggie administration the NCAA let these accusations slide.

Puro: George Smith changing his story is one of the biggest loads of BS that I have ever heard. His changes were that the cash sent through Express Mail (the envelopes were verified by the media) were "loans". HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU SEND LOANS THROUGH EXPRESS MAIL AND SEND CASH? Anybody who believes that line is the "dumbass", not me.

As for the NCAA not acting on it. I think it was apparent that there was a deal between A&M and the NCAA that if Sherrill left, that would be the end of it. Past problems w/the NCAA don't always prevent coaches from getting jobs at other schools. Bear Bryant got A&M on probation, but it didn't stop him from getting the job at Alabama.

talk about JS brings the sippies in droves

Picadillo nailed it earlier...he was winning and that was against the good ol boy mentality

dod you think mack3 is doing anything different today then Jackie was doing then???

JS DID get a letter from the NCAA completely exonerating him from any infractions....it was required by MSU before they gave him the job there

JS also has a $15million lawsuit against the NCAA for institutional bias and premeditated and selective rules enforcement...he saw the same thing happen at MSU (with ol Miss) that he saw at A&M (tu)....more to follow

If someone wants to be honest, why should Sherrill receive the benefit of the doubt? Especially when he has left 3 schools under probation (Pitt, A&M, and MSU).

Conclusion:
JS was a great coach who should be celebrated at the schools he coached at. However, the fans should know that the guy left 3 schools, from 3 different conferences, during 3 different time periods in probation. It took Pitt awhile to get its **** together and MSU is in the pits and will remain there for the forseeable future because of it.

If the Dallas Morning News was lying about its sources/stories, A&M would have sued them and won their case for it. There's probably a reason why a school with the power and prestige, at least in the state of Texas, has not done this.

Hook 'em Horns and Gig 'em Aggies.

quote:

---

JS also has a $15million lawsuit against the NCAA for institutional bias and premeditated and selective rules enforcement...he saw the same thing happen at MSU (with ol Miss) that he saw at A&M (tu)....more to follow

---

He won't win his case. Again, it doesn't explain why he got run out of 3 jobs in 3 conferences with very similar allegations levied on him. Steve Spurrier is an arrogant SOB to media and to rival schools; but he has never faced the problems JS has faced.

PC....leaving the school may be indicative and supportive to what JS lawsuit is attempting to prove in court

NCAA has feelers out to get this settled before public testimony begins (the court already denied their legal challenge) JS is planning on depositions in Austin TX, Oxford MS and probably State College PA...to support his arguement

NCAA has settled recent high profile cases for millions (Tark, Nehuisal) to keep their practices behind closed doors

[This message has been edited by Our-turn-to-rule (edited 2/11/2006 10:26a).]

[This message has been edited by Our-turn-to-rule (edited 2/11/2006 10:26a).]

quote:

---

NCAA has feelers out to get this settled before public testimony begins (the court already denied there legal challenge) JS is planning on depositions in Austin TX, Oxford MS and probably State College PA...to support his argument

NCAA has settled recent high profile cases for millions (Tark, Nehuisal) to keep their practices behind closed doors

---

Again, A&M does receive inferior treatment from anybody, you're not making any sense. I could see an athletics department like a Baylor or Vandy *****ing about this, but not A&M. NCAA is not in charge of overseeing the amount of money given to an AD, a school, etc. If that were the case, that would make sense.

The guy is wasting his own time and I hope to see him go thru with this lawsuit. If you're a state school (i.e. Illinois, A&M, Michigan State, etc.), you are already living a charmed life when it comes to sports/academia. This lawsuit is retarded on its premise. He'll make himself look foolish.

If you cheat, you run the risk of getting caught, especially if you're the AD of said institution (Sherrill at A&M). Again, he has done this at Pitt (a regional power that was actually becoming a national entity), A&M, and Miss. St.

FOrget to add:

ottr, you seem to be close to the situation, what type of evidence is Sherrill going to use to show his preconeived notion of unfair treatment?

who said anything about the school s being involved???? this is directly between JS and the NCAA

the evidence is not in the public domain YET...stay tuned

oh one other thing...if you cheat the liklihood of getting caught (ie: if you're doing what everyone else is why are you the only one that rules are enforced upon?)...and if you are "caught" the subsequent NCAA reaction is what is done...that is the question/issue

thx for the response

quote:

---

FYI dumbass, if the FedEx crap was true, Sherrill would have NEVER coached at MSU, the NCAA would have made sure of that.

---

The NCAA doesn't prevent coaches from moving on and coaching. Now some schools may shy away after someone shows time and again that they're scum (Jim Harrick, anyone?); But I can't recall a single instance where the NCAA has ever banninated a coach.

Jackie Sherrill upset the applecart when he beat tu consistently. Any success that we had in the late 80's and 90's was started by Sherrill.

The ncaa are the keystone kops with an atttitude check out the penalty for tcu (one of my buddies lost his scholarship there and came to A&M, versus our probation a couple o yrs laterversus the sips for stealing adr.s rx pad and writing Rx for steroids. pathetic

nothing personal just business

An unalterable precept of leadership: one may delegate authority but not responsibility. JS is responsible for everything men under his leadership (as HC and AD) did. Whatever Fran's flaws, this seems to be baggage he doesn't carry. Here's hoping the NCAA has neither occasion nor opportunity to get involved again.

Pc and other sips, check out when Tu was put on probation - then GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ottr:

quote:

---

JS also has a $15million lawsuit against the NCAA for institutional bias and premeditated and selective rules enforcement...he saw the same thing happen at MSU (with ol Miss) that he saw at A&M (tu)....more to follow

---

Really!

"Sherrill's $15 million lawsuit accuses the NCAA, its investigators Richard Johanningmeier and Mark P. Jones and Ridgeland businesswoman Julie Gibert, a known supporter of the University of Mississippi, of fabricating charges against him, tarnishing his reputation and trying to drive him out of college football."

BStuME....thank you for supplying a quote, WTF is your point??

PS: stick to engineering, you don't know sheeeeeet about this legal stuff

Do any sip fans really believe that tu didn't break any rules during the time Jackie was at Texas A&M?

oldschool87 is the only enlightened person writing on this subject. There were great problems between him and the president and he saw it was going to split the university coupled with the accusations that were flowing allover the swc at that time, was why he CHOSE to resign.


ok and yippee2. Presidents don't like it when they are not the ones with all the power.

[This message has been edited by braxton (edited 2/11/2006 12:47p).]

Actually BSMEUT is basically correct on what the suit is about but it is also to try to put into place a system to try and keep the NCAA from doing some of the sleezy things that they do.

[This message has been edited by braxton (edited 2/11/2006 12:26p).]

I will always be a huge Jackie fan. I knew him and I think he was great for the university.

Mobely also couldn't stand that Jackie was making more money than him and Jackie WAS huge into Aggie Spirit. I will always be grateful to Jackie for the wins and traditions he started at Aggieland.

I think I still have a bumpersticker that says "Bring Back Jackie"

.....waiting on his book....it will be Good Bull

institutional bias and premeditated and selective rules enforcement

=

fabricating charges against him, tarnishing his reputation and trying to drive him out of college football

PS ottr, if you want me to add my other degree to my username I will if it makes you happy; BSMEUTLDD. Kinda make's it long though.

yippee2, Will the forthcoming book be categorized as fiction or non-fiction? Listening to Jackie on the Conference Call radio program, it sounds as if he has lost some mental acuity. He appears, at times, to have trouble expressing a coherent and cogent thought.

[This message has been edited by aggieangst (edited 2/11/2006 1:32p).]

From the NCAA report linked in above post

2. In late January or early February 1985, during a visit to the home of a prospective student-athlete, an assistant football coach parked a Datsun 280ZX automobile in front of the young man's home and told the prospect that the car could be his (the prospect's); further, the assistant coach told the young man to think about this statement before making a final decision regarding a collegiate institution. The language used by the assistant coach led the prospect reasonably to believe that he was being offered an automobile at no cost to him as an inducement to attend the institution. [NCAA Bylaw 1-1-(b)]

WHO was the ASST Coach that did this, and WHO was the player - Murray? George Smith?

Joe Avezzano was implicated in a lot of the problems with the program, but no one coach was ever singled out for committing an infraction.

It would not have been Kevin Murray. He was here before 1985.

Probably wasn't Smith either.

Burdizzo, I seem to recall George Pugh (former Alabama player under BB) was involved in some of the misdeeds. He was later the head coach at Alabama A & M where I believe he was fired for NCAA violations.

nope - keep guessing

alright BSMEtu...we are on the same page

I think JS has a good shot at winning and the NCAA knows that...they lost round 1 in October05 and round 2 last week

as I've said before, they DO NOT WANT some of this stuff to be out in the open