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I wish he would stay in school, so that we can BTHO tu next year with him included.

Objective, the real puzzler was Roy Williams as a catcher.

Hookem

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what about when Jason White returned to Oklahoma for his senior season..

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You're kidding right? White had no chance in the NFL and everyone knew it. Why on earth would he NOT come back for his fifth year.

If Vince comes out this year, he's probably #3 behind Leinhart and Bush. Larry Fitzgerald got a $20 Million signing bonus at the third position in 2004. If Vince were to drop next year to the 5th position, he'd be out some $$$. I remember Sean Taylor at the 5th position got a $7.2 Million bonus...that's a difference of $13 Million. Kind of a big gamble...

And for those of you who say "Don't worry, he can get insurance." Insurance only pays in the event that your career is over. Look at McGahee as an example. His injury in the NC game caused him to drop substantially in the draft and cost him millions.

Vince would be a fool to stay.

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It's hilarious reading you aggies talk about how "dumb" he would be to not turn pro when 5 months ago, you same Einsteins were talking about him never playing a snap of QB in the NFL

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You’d have a point if he would be playing QB..but he'll be drafted as something else unless b/w now and the combine he fixes his throwing motion. It's sssssllllllooooowwwwww..........and awkward. You can post all the stats you want, but having all day to throw (but not against 117th ranked A&M!) to wide open receivers in college is one thing, he won't have that time, nor that kind of easy throw to make in the pros.

I AGREE HE IS A PHENOMINAL COLLEGE QB, but that is all. COLLEGE! He will play on Sunday's, but I don't think at the QB position.

And, as I said, the collective bargaining agreement ends. He'll lose a lot more than just a few million for one season. (heard it on 790 a more than once in the last few weeks).

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You’d have a point if he would be playing QB

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I don't think there is much doubt that he will play QB.

Seriously though. He should turn pro, IMO. Not saying he will.

He could not get any higher than he is now. He could go top 5, as high as 1 perhaps? I think he is better than Vick, but I always thought he was overrated anyway.

If he comes back he could get hurt, he could have a subpar year (not likely, it could happen), a weakness could be exposed, or someone could leapfrog him (again not likely).

I loved college. I love college football more than most of you. But as Chance Mock would say, it is a business decision (even if his did not work out). It just makes sense to take the top 5 pick when you can get it. I have a huge problem when people leave to be a third rounder, but when you are top 10, you deserve it.

And Texas fans will be eternally grateful for VY whether he stays or goes.

Let him get drafted by someone like the New Orleans Saints, so we can all see how he plays when he isn't behind an all-world offensive line.

To my grave I will say VY is a C+ quarterback behind an A+++ o-line.

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Have some of you mensas ever stopped to think that being more prepared when you enter the NFL is a lot more valuable, longterm, than an extra year of earning.

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Complete bull****. It's insane to think that college coaches develop QBs better than the NFL does. Look at Chris Simms for crying out loud...lot's of good it did him sticking around in Austin. Mack sure knows how to develop QBs, right? He's just now finally getting to a point where he's making the right decisions and utilizing his natural gifts.

He needs to be like Carson Palmer. Go earn millions in the NFL sitting on the bench and developing his technique.

"You’d have a point if he would be playing QB..but he'll be drafted as something else unless b/w now and the combine he fixes his throwing motion."

Well, let's see. Agracer thinks VY would be drafted at another position. Meanwhile, Hall of Famers Anthony Munoz and Ronnie Lott say there's no doubt he's ready to play at the next level at QB. Uhhh, I think I'll defer to Munoz and Lott.

Hookem

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To my grave I will say VY is a C+ quarterback behind an A+++ o-line.

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Well that C+ QB chopped up an USC team that was supposed to be the "greatest of all time". 427 total yards isn't exactly a C+ QB if you ask me.

say He leaves. Think about it, it gives him another year of maybe getting hurt and rick injury. Vince Goes, Count It

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The NFL collective bargaining agreement will be redone in March of '06. Rumors are that there will be restrictions placed on what rookies can make while this year's rookies (class of '06) will not have those restrictions.

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All that means if it happens is "a differently structured contract" Knucklehead!

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Uhhh, I think I'll defer to Munoz and Lott.

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So now retired O-linemen and safties are experts?

Well, more expert than me I agree, but I just dont' believe he will be a great NFL QB.

The tu offense was designed around his tallents this year, utilized the TE, and opened the field for him to work. It was greatness on the part of Mack and your coaches. He won't have that luxury in the NFL. The 300-lb linemen run faster than some college LB's these days.

If A&M can scheme to make him look mediocre, then the NFL can too.

If I'm wrong, I'll come back here and say so.

EDIT: I said he would not be an NFL QB earlier. Probably to strong a statement. He may play there, but I don't think he'll succeed there.

[This message has been edited by agracer (edited 1/5/2006 12:37p).]

"To my grave I will say VY is a C+ quarterback behind an A+++ o-line."

That's fine. Fools get buried everyday.


Hookem

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The tu offense was designed around his tallents this year, utilized the TE, and opened the field for him to work. It was greatness on the part of Mack and your coaches.

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Thats what good coaches do, they design schemes that will benefit their playmakers. They found a strength and they used it to the best of their ability. But give the guy some credit, he is a freak of nature and one hell of an athlete.

[This message has been edited by Manchild50 (edited 1/5/2006 12:38p).]

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but he'll be drafted as something else unless b/w now and the combine he fixes his throwing motion. It's sssssllllllooooowwwwww..........and awkward.

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His throwing motion may be awkward but its anything but slow. There were numerous times where USC blitzed and he got the pass of before the blitz could reach him. Yeah, thats slow alright.

5 months ago, he wouldn't have been drafted as a QB. Now, he'll probably get a shot at QB in the NFL, but I still think he won't succeed....(but I was one of the one's saying 5 months ago he wouldn't be drafted as a QB).

But I think he did at least earn a shot at being drafted as a potential QB, and he has yet to fail when given the opportunity, so who knows.

Matt Leinart was firing the ball in to his receivers who were covered like glue, and he was still completing passes.

Vince's receivers were wide freakin open. College defenses are so worried about Vince not beating him with his legs, they loosen up on coverage.

Also, if A&M's defense can make Vince Young not look like a heisman type QB, what do you think a NFL defense can do?

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Also, if A&M's defense can make Vince Young not look like a heisman type QB, what do you think a NFL defense can do?

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Thats a reach. Texas also made Reggie Bush look all too human last night. So by your logic, Reggie Bush won't be able to succeed at the NFL level either.

Reach?

Texas Defense wasnt ranked 117th. Texas actually has a defense.

I personally don't see him being a Great NFL QB, I think Leinart will be better. And right now everything is aligned perfectly in Vincent's favor. With Houston having the #1 Pick, his name on everyone's lips and a great showing at the Rose Bowl, I don't see his stock possibly rising with another year. I say go in the draft while you're at the top, show off your QB skills and try to prove me wrong.

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Texas also made Reggie Bush look all too human last night.

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What? Bush averaged 9.3 yards per run/catch, higher than his season average.

I just don't see how anyone who would be guaranteed millions of dollars could or would turn it down just to stay in college one more year.

I'm putting myself in that spot and I'd be gone to the nfl, for sure. adios.

if vince young were an Aggie i'd expect him to go pro and would wish him well.

hmmm...one more year of college and the risk that I could lose everything with an ijury (insurance can't ever compensate enough for the nfl $$ and the shot at the big time, not even close)or millions upon millions of dollars??

HEy! This thread isn't Aggie football related, so I'll help a little.

Vince Young: 3-0 vs. A&M

And to make it even more aggie related, at least his last two versus us he didn't play all that great. Not bad either...

I can see why Vince would stay. He's gotta be loving it in Austin right now. When he goes to the NFL, he's going to have to grow up quick. He will no longer be the hero/superstar. He will have to prove himself. It is probably a harder decision than most think.

He's probably not too worried about injury, and has to be extremely cocky...so he probably thinks those millions of dollars will be there in another year too. He probably doesn't have 3 kids already that he has to support. It seems like every other player that has gone pro early has 18 kids to feed.

Suppose he stays and his production falls off significantly next year. The criticism of his throwing motion would begin in earnest. Entering his senior year as THE number one candidate for Heisman and first overall pick in the draft, he'll be continually scrutinized and nitpicked (Lienart is undergoing that this year). If VY were to fall to mid or even late first round, that is a TON of $$$ that no insurance policy will cover.

I don't know if he stays or goes, but I know if he were a member of my family I'd be advising him to move on. Then he'd have the money to buy that completely customized Escalade he's been seen driving all season long.

Disclaimer: Elite college football players having very nice wheels is certainly nothing new at Texas or other schools that may be much nearer and dearer to many of us.

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Then he'd have the money to buy that completely customized Escalade he's been seen driving all season long.

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let me guess. your friend's girlfriend's brother who goes to texas totally saw vince driving around in one of these with plates that say "donated by a booster"

or or or, ooh, you know the finance guy who bought the car, and the guy who bought it happen to let it slip that the car was going to a 6'5 quarterback who wears number 10.

unless you have verifiable proof of this, dont post this crap.

Everyone said last year the ML was smart for sticking around. That he could be the big man on campus for another year and the money would be there next year. Well ML's dumb @$$ just dropped out of the #1 spot and could fall farther depending on draft order. VY could very well stay and be #1 or he could have a hangover season and drop like a rock. Strike while the iron is hot Vince.

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He will not stay because he needs to improve his game. Last time I checked; he could improve his game with better coaches in the NFL.

I will be very surprised if he stays. If he were my kid; he would be going pro.

How can he top what he has accomplished this year? He will be a marked man next year, if he stays. Why chance a freak injury? Plus he will probably not play with the vengeance that he had this year to prove everybody wrong about him. No way that he is as good as he showed this year. He should take the money and run. He will surely be a top 5 pick in the draft.

With so many genuises on this forum, one would think all of you must be making the big bucks working as agents for the pro sport, just amazing.

If he were my son - I'd advise him to go pro. I remain unconvinced his basic skills will improve with another year at tu. They won't change his throwing motion. His running, gliding, and speed are set already. He could get more experienced reading defenses, etc. - but he can do that in the NFL (although as a backup, not a starter) while earning a BIG paycheck. Vince's leadership skills are sensational already. If he stays it is because Mack convinces him somehow to do so and because VY wants another year of the college experience.

Does anyone actually know what the insurance they take out on a player like VY will pay? I am skeptical it will pay anything close to a signing bonus and first year's NFL salary.

One more thing - if I were an NFL guy - I'd certainly give VY a shot at QB. The throwing motion looks awkward but VY was very accurate this year and his ability to run from the QB position is unmatched by anyone (including Reggie or Vick).

There is not a whole lot of analysis needed. If you can be top 5, you do not even think about it. You go pro.
If you are likely top 10, you should go.
If you are 10-30, you think about it.
Over 30, you better have a reason (bad coaching change, financial hardship, etc)

Calambre:
BMOC: big man on campus
BOMC: burnt ornage media conspiracy. who as well all know arranged this title for Texas. Any coincidence that this "game" was filmed in Hollywood?

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those insurance policies they take out will give him peace of mind in case of injury.

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only if his injury is career ending. willis mcgahee torn his acl, and eventually came back, but it cost him a lot of money on that first contract.