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Curious....When Do you Become Old Army?

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tacking on an extra year
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you become old army when you start to feel a little dirty checking out the freshman girls on campus.

thankfully, im still clinging onto new army in this respect.

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no longer actually tacking on an extra year. i had to get a real job.

"hey thats journey! kick ass!"
A. G. Pennypacker
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fossil_ag, how do you know so much about the history of the Corps?

I'm class of '85, was not in the Corp and definitely not Old Army.

Before I read all the info on past history (stuff that happened before I was born), from my perspective, to be old army you 1) had to have been in the Corps and 2) probably graduated somewhere before about 1970.

I know there were a lot of changes over the years but I don't think you can put your finger on a single date in time and say this is the dividing line between old and new. Changes were made that contributed to a shift in values and traditions, but I think it takes some years after the change before the old ways are completly lost.
fossil_ag
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aglaes

My entry into the Corps was in the Fall of 1952 ... the first Fish class on main campus since 1947. Even then, we were housed in the northside dorms with a cadre of upperclassmen in each Fish unit, while the remainder of the Corps was housed in the southside dorms. "It was the best of times; it was the worst of times." The Pissheads from the southside knew we would have to eventually come out of our enclave to attend class, check our mailbox, go to Northgate, etc., so leaving the Fish area was not without trepidation. Upperclassmen assigned to the Fish units were properly Old Army so our life in the dorm was in keeping with customs. EXCEPT, that during CQ almost every week on a no-notice basis, all Fish were subject to "tail" inspections by officer from the Commandant's office. Simple task, the announcement of inspection was made by the Whistle Jock. All Fish dropped trou in their doorway fanny pointed to the hall and the inspection party passed in review ... looking for discolored butts.

The Fish units marched to all meals at Sbisa. At that time Sbisa was a wide open space ... the largest ceiling in the world with no supporting columns. Meals were family style with 10 persons to a table, and enough tables to seat 4,000. Meal service was by a small army of Fish (Corps) Waiters each assigned 3 tables. One hour was allowed for the noon meal that included formations, march-in, and feeding the 4,000 to a sit-down meal.

Athletes were in the Corps in those days and classmates like Jack Pardee, Gene Stallings,
Billy Pete Huddleston and others endured the same lifestyle as the rest of us.

As for the history of those early times the best source I know of is a book titled "The Story of Texas A and M", written by George Sessions Perry and published in 1951. (McGraw-Hill.) Perry was able to interview directly the principle actors and eyewitnesses and view the source documents in his history. Later books seemed to gloss over some major elements of the A&M story. I depend on Perry's
accounts.

I can assure you, at no time during my four years more than 50 years ago, and in the prior 75 years, was the Cadet Corps a rogue outfit that disregarded college rules or was prone to any other misconduct (other than generally innocent fun named appropriately "good bull." Cadet officers took their authority and responsibilities seriously and were honorable and loyal to their school, the Corps, individuals in their units and to their own legacy.

Edit: I agree that there is no line of demarcation from Old Army to New Army. For myself, I consider Old Army to be a state of mind, an attitude, that personal feeling that I am a part of something larger than myself with a history of accomplishments and ideals that I want to measure up to. Individually those of us in earlier times were mostly not spectacular or even out of the ordinary of today ... but we were aware of persons and events in earlier times at A&M which gave purpose and direction toward that which we desired to be.

Remember, in the early 50s we had 7,000 cadets in the Corps. When membership became no longer mandatory the Corps began an inexorable decline in size. The guidons of many old time units were retired along with their historical link to former years. Many changes were made by the administration, some good some bad. The Commandant's office became directly involved in Corps every day life where upperclassmen had performed previously. Where seniors had selected their successors in the past, the Trigon took control of unit leadership. Is Old Army dead? No, Old Army still lives with the Keepers of the Spirit ... a bit subdued in comparison to former times but as long as some Cadets are aware of their heritage, it will live on.

[This message has been edited by fossil_ag (edited 7/31/2005 1:52p).]
Mameluke
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nevermind

[This message has been edited by onearmyag (edited 7/31/2005 8:21p).]
jenn_Ag03
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quote:
In my mind, when you start complaining about how terrible things are now compared to when you were a student... THEN, you're old army.


In that case I was old army before I even graduated!

Aggie1
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OLArmy above got it right:

quote: If you didn't wear brown shoes in the Corps, you are 'New Army'. end quote.

AAAAAg
Ishmael-Ag
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If you think a broom was used just for sweeping you are New Army.
fossil_ag
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PJYoung
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When you have to get up and pee during the night on a regular basis.
AMF 2 AMC
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Great read.

Class of '89 here.

Basically, I think fossil nutted it. Ol'Army is a state of mind. Reading his posts, I think Ol'Army is a concern for something you've left behind; you appreciate it and you want those who come after you to gain the same experience, appreciate it, and pass it on.

That said, we all experience it differently. I didn't get quaded or wear brown shoes, but I took an axe handle, went through Fish Fight, kidnapped our CO (and paid for it). I depended on my fish buddies like no one else. My time in Aggieland taught me a lot about life, and I think I left a better person for it.

When I was a zip, the Class of '49 were the honored guests of Muster. I was privileged to escort an old gentleman throughout the ceremony. Afterwards, we visited about his days at A&M and how much things had changed; his ring was a blob. To me, he was Ol' Army.

He was New Army to someone at one time.

To me, anyone who has an Aggie Ring, respects A&M, and wants to see it live on will eventually be Ol'Army.
 
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