Reed is absolutely gone after this year even if he wins out. Casuga is not the future of the program. Hart is not an SEC caliber 3rd string. Lose the "developing players" mindset and go buy wins. The coaching is not at all the problem.

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Reed is absolutely gone after this year even if he wins out. Casuga is not the future of the program. Hart is not an SEC caliber 3rd string. Lose the "developing players" mindset and go buy wins. The coaching is not at all the problem.

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Sounds good. How much money you sending???

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TAMC28 said:

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Reed is absolutely gone after this year even if he wins out. Casuga is not the future of the program. Hart is not an SEC caliber 3rd string. Lose the "developing players" mindset and go buy wins. The coaching is not at all the problem.

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He's one year removed from HS. He deserves a chance.

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Agree, and I'm a vocal Casuga skeptic. Kid may have had a leap in th last year. He's a true freshman and at this point he either is genuinely awful in practice, or the coaches aren't giving Casuga and the team a chance. Reed is a well established failure. At some point, you've got to see whether the young guys just happen to level up when the lights go on.

That said, my fear is Casuga and Hart are even less accurate in practice, but then my next thought is "that just can't be, can it?"

Half of texags believes Casuga or Hart is the answer. Overwhelming majority runs to blame coaching. That's the baseline of it.

Why does it seem so many people here know exactly how bad Hart and Casuga are?
Hart hasn't had virtually any playing time and Casuga hasn't played a single snap as far as I'm aware.

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Half of texags believes Casuga or Hart is the answer. Overwhelming majority runs to blame coaching. That's the baseline of it.

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I don't think anybody believes those guys are the answer. But we've seen enough of Marcel to know he for sure ain't the answer. I don't blame the cesspool one bit. The goal is to win games and Marcel can't do it. When the known variable sucks, it's time to try the unknown.

Do you seriously think Elko would not start our best chance to win? They see them practice everyday you don't just get better at the QB position leaving practice going to a game. Talked with guy on defensive staff at another SEC school and laughed at Hart's film.

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Do you seriously think Elko would not start our best chance to win? They see them practice everyday you don't just get better at the QB position leaving practice going to a game. Talked with guy on defensive staff at another SEC school and laughed at Hart's film.

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Then Elko's even more of a fool by not replacing a zero talent, toothpick Hart earlier this year AND by wasting a freakin QB spot on the roster with a 1-2 star recruit who is even worse than the worst QB in all of CFB. And that's not an understatement.

Think about it. Really.

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Do you seriously think Elko would not start our best chance to win? They see them practice everyday you don't just get better at the QB position leaving practice going to a game. Talked with guy on defensive staff at another SEC school and laughed at Hart's film.

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Just what I thought. Its easier just to say you don't know. And as far as the film…..lmao. C'mon, do better.

Where does one cash said "check" and is this how we are funding buyouts?

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TAMC28 said:

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Reed is absolutely gone after this year even if he wins out. Casuga is not the future of the program. Hart is not an SEC caliber 3rd string. Lose the "developing players" mindset and go buy wins. The coaching is not at all the problem.

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He's one year removed from HS. He deserves a chance.

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He doesn't deserve anything. He's a highly paid employee. If his boss doesn't think he can contribute, he gets fired. Welcome to life.

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TAMC28 said:

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Reed is absolutely gone after this year even if he wins out. Casuga is not the future of the program. Hart is not an SEC caliber 3rd string. Lose the "developing players" mindset and go buy wins. The coaching is not at all the problem.

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He's one year removed from HS. He deserves a chance.

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He doesn't deserve anything. He's a highly paid employee. If his boss doesn't think he can contribute, he gets fired. Welcome to life.

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Dude come on. He committed to play here, was probly sold a dream by the coaches as most of these atheletes are. If he's been to all the practices meetings, and so forth... he deserves an opportunity. Reed clearly isn't the answer

He wasn't sold a dream by the coaches, he was offered a million dollars to be an aggie and compete for the starting job. Elko is not a bad coach as per his track record, so he's going to put the best players that give us the best chance to win. Casuga apparently isn't good enough

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TAMC28 said:

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Reed is absolutely gone after this year even if he wins out. Casuga is not the future of the program. Hart is not an SEC caliber 3rd string. Lose the "developing players" mindset and go buy wins. The coaching is not at all the problem.

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He's one year removed from HS. He deserves a chance.

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He doesn't deserve anything. He's a highly paid employee. If his boss doesn't think he can contribute, he gets fired. Welcome to life.

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Dude come on. He committed to play here, was probly sold a dream by the coaches as most of these atheletes are. If he's been to all the practices meetings, and so forth... he deserves an opportunity. Reed clearly isn't the answer

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He came here because we were the highest bidder. You think he'd be here if he wasn't getting paid? You think he'd stay if someone offered more money? Come on. And this isn't a knock against him. He's doing what he should be. And we have to do the same. It's a business. This isn't 10 years ago.

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TAMC28 said:

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Reed is absolutely gone after this year even if he wins out. Casuga is not the future of the program. Hart is not an SEC caliber 3rd string. Lose the "developing players" mindset and go buy wins. The coaching is not at all the problem.

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He's one year removed from HS. He deserves a chance.

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He doesn't deserve anything. He's a highly paid employee. If his boss doesn't think he can contribute, he gets fired. Welcome to life.

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Dude come on. He committed to play here, was probly sold a dream by the coaches as most of these atheletes are. If he's been to all the practices meetings, and so forth... he deserves an opportunity. Reed clearly isn't the answer

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He came here because we were the highest bidder. You think he'd be here if he wasn't getting paid? You think he'd stay if someone offered more money? Come on. And this isn't a knock against him. He's doing what he should be. And we have to do the same. It's a business. This isn't 10 years ago.

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If he's so bad that he doesnt deserve a chance to play, then its just another knock on Elko and his failure in QBs.

My point is, we've yet to see him play outside the Maroon and White game and I wish we could

Yeah I completely agree, he's just not good enough to start, but he's making a bag so he shouldn't be too mad

https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3632552

TAMC28 said:

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Reed is absolutely gone after this year even if he wins out. Casuga is not the future of the program. Hart is not an SEC caliber 3rd string. Lose the "developing players" mindset and go buy wins. The coaching is not at all the problem.

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Hart deserves a chance first. In what world are we jumping to QB3 before letting QB2 get a spin?

Either way, Reed has been the worst QB I've ever seen in maroon and white, so if Elko thinks the others are worse then this is a worse disaster than he realizes.

I'm saying he's not even talented enough to be an SEC 3. I agree Reed is awful, but the guys behind him are just as bad. In no world would a coach play a dude with lesser ability to win on the biggest stage.

You can't be seriously downplaying everyday evaluation at practices. And yes SEC defensive staffs have said how much worse Hart is than Reed.

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You can't be seriously downplaying everyday evaluation at practices. And yes SEC defensive staffs have said how much worse Hart is than Reed.

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How do sec defensive staffs know how bad he is when he has never played? Which staffs?

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I'm saying he's not even talented enough to be an SEC 3. I agree Reed is awful, but the guys behind him are just as bad. In no world would a coach play a dude with lesser ability to win on the biggest stage.

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How would you know? We can only assume since Elko refuses to play him.

That being said, I'd have to assume he sucks too. But the point is that we don't really know until we give him a shot.

If any of the backups aren't worthy, they need to move on. But they deserve a chance to prove it. Nothing to lose here.

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Why does it seem so many people here know exactly how bad Hart and Casuga are?
Hart hasn't had virtually any playing time and Casuga hasn't played a single snap as far as I'm aware.

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Casuga was a pretty good high school QB. Only a 4 star because he is short. I'd love to see him play

Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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If he's so bad that he doesnt deserve a chance to play, then its just another knock on Elko and his failure in QBs.

My point is, we've yet to see him play outside the Maroon and White game and I wish we could

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Yep, and hard to imagine we somehow managed to recruit not one, but two QBs that are worse than Reed. As well as failed to get someone out of the portal.

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TAMC28 said:

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Reed is absolutely gone after this year even if he wins out. Casuga is not the future of the program. Hart is not an SEC caliber 3rd string. Lose the "developing players" mindset and go buy wins. The coaching is not at all the problem.

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And you know Hart and Casuga aren't the answer how? Please enlighten us.

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I'm wondering the same thing. Hart was a 4 star that threw for a ton of yards in high school. Casuga was a 4 star that did the same and won a state championship in Utah. He is also just a true freshman. Neither one have been given a chance in real game situations, so how does anyone know if they have anything?

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I'm saying he's not even talented enough to be an SEC 3. I agree Reed is awful, but the guys behind him are just as bad. In no world would a coach play a dude with lesser ability to win on the biggest stage.

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Until Hart starts a game and is given a full four quarters to prove your statements above I'll choose to believe that you're just pulling things out of thin air. He may absolutely suck, but until he is given a complete game or two we'll never know. What we do know is that Marcel is statistically the worst QB in P4 college football and that fact is not arguable or debatable.

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TAMC28 said:

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Reed is absolutely gone after this year even if he wins out. Casuga is not the future of the program. Hart is not an SEC caliber 3rd string. Lose the "developing players" mindset and go buy wins. The coaching is not at all the problem.

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He's one year removed from HS. He deserves a chance.

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Agree, and I'm a vocal Casuga skeptic. Kid may have had a leap in th last year. He's a true freshman and at this point he either is genuinely awful in practice, or the coaches aren't giving Casuga and the team a chance. Reed is a well established failure. At some point, you've got to see whether the young guys just happen to level up when the lights go on.

That said, my fear is Casuga and Hart are even less accurate in practice, but then my next thought is "that just can't be, can it?"

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There are "practice" players. There are clutch "game time" players. And very few are both.

We know that Reed is not a "game time" player. And, with the defense he practiced against during the summer and about half of this season, it's safe to say he wasn't a "practice" player, either.

Casuga hasn't played, and Brady hasn't played enough to give us any kind of legitimate sample. Reed is not, and hasn't been, the answer since last year's tu game.

Seriously, what do we have to lose at this point? Heck, playing the other two isn't even risky. It's the smart, logical thing to do.

So all this discussion of Reed, Hart and Carsuga, they ready or not and everything else said is the result of one man, Mike Elko. He's got ultimate say on who gets recruited, plays, etc. And that's the reality. The reality that he's made poor decisions and I don't see that stopping. He's in over his head.

Something you're missing, its not fun to lose no matter what youre getting paid. All the highest quality skill position players will command a premium, a premium also offered by programs that are winning or have an offense system that showcases their skill, we have neither.

I do believe we can still pull some excellent defenders, but O skill positions will be tough moving forward baring a miracle.

I believe our best bet is to find / pay a successful O Coord with a QB that has a few years of eligibility.

"absolutely gone"

Cesspool extremes again

Neither Hart or Casuga are the caliper of players who can excel in the SEC before they are either a junior or already have had playing experience at a starter school. They are the type of players who will need to mature before being the guy in this league.

You can argue that the season is over and you might as well put one of them in to get experience but it will only be bad experience. If Elko plays them they will struggle and then the cesspool will be calling for them to be benched in place of someone else before they even get a fair chance.

Reed is already damaged goods so might as well let him continue to take the bullets. Keep the others and continue to let them work and develop until they are actually ready. Rushing them in would be the worst thing for their development. They would be a meme by the end of the first week.