2008and1 said:

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That said, big 10 could have helped themselves showing a video in their response where the clock actually changed time…

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Fully agree with this. B10 picked the absolute worst half second video to show in their statement. They should have shown the full play and discussion.

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What BS by the Big10. None of the other views line up with this garbage they're trying to sell.

A statement regarding the results of tonight's game between Michigan and Western Michigan. pic.twitter.com/DzJVN2ZLTc

— Big Ten Conference (@bigten) September 6, 2026

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Wow. That makes it look far worse. You can't see when the ball is touched or not in their video

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Weak

pic.twitter.com/tguy5pTGzz

— MACtion (@MACSports) September 6, 2026

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The check cleared

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tk for tu juan said:

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Weak

pic.twitter.com/tguy5pTGzz

— MACtion (@MACSports) September 6, 2026

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The check cleared

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Yep, big10 to MAC, go with our narrative or don't expect future paydays from our conference to your's.

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Lol at all the people looking at this like the Zapruder film.

Honestly, with how incredibly subjective so many things are in this game, why the hell we are using tenths of a second? When everyone is cool with refs just feeling out a spot of the ball all game long. Why the hell are we not using the stadium clock, the one that every single player, coach, and even the f'ing refs (initially), as the official clock? It's simple, everyone is on the same page, and everyone can see it for themselves in real time.

The point is, having a secret clock that no one but a very select few have access to, causes problems. Maybe not very often, but it can. Last night proved this.

Trying to stopwatch less than a half second of time is dumb. WMU won. Michigan stinks.

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We aren't using a secret clock. Only the big conferences are and only when they need to protect a blue blood from a bad loss.

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Lol at all the people looking at this like the Zapruder film.

Honestly, with how incredibly subjective so many things are in this game, why the hell we are using tenths of a second? When everyone is cool with refs just feeling out a spot of the ball all game long. Why the hell are we not using the stadium clock, the one that every single player, coach, and even the f'ing refs (initially), as the official clock? It's simple, everyone is on the same page, and everyone can see it for themselves in real time.

The point is, having a secret clock that no one but a very select few have access to, causes problems. Maybe not very often, but it can. Last night proved this.

Trying to stopwatch less than a half second of time is dumb. WMU won. Michigan stinks.

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Stadium clock is the official clock. The video NBC showed with the clock super imposed is not the official video replay refs use, and it was out of sync. Watch the video the replay booth used and there is an extra second. I don't get why people are having such a hard time with this. NBC made a mistake.

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Eliminatus said:

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Lol at all the people looking at this like the Zapruder film.

Honestly, with how incredibly subjective so many things are in this game, why the hell we are using tenths of a second? When everyone is cool with refs just feeling out a spot of the ball all game long. Why the hell are we not using the stadium clock, the one that every single player, coach, and even the f'ing refs (initially), as the official clock? It's simple, everyone is on the same page, and everyone can see it for themselves in real time.

The point is, having a secret clock that no one but a very select few have access to, causes problems. Maybe not very often, but it can. Last night proved this.

Trying to stopwatch less than a half second of time is dumb. WMU won. Michigan stinks.

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Stadium clock is the official clock. The video NBC showed with the clock super imposed is not the official video replay refs use, and it was out of sync. Watch the video the replay booth used and there is an extra second. I don't get why people are having such a hard time with this. NBC made a mistake.

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This. There aren't different clocks. What there are is different video feed syncs to the clock. So when replay looked at it and NBC looked at it their videos were not in sync.

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Eliminatus said:

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Lol at all the people looking at this like the Zapruder film.

Honestly, with how incredibly subjective so many things are in this game, why the hell we are using tenths of a second? When everyone is cool with refs just feeling out a spot of the ball all game long. Why the hell are we not using the stadium clock, the one that every single player, coach, and even the f'ing refs (initially), as the official clock? It's simple, everyone is on the same page, and everyone can see it for themselves in real time.

The point is, having a secret clock that no one but a very select few have access to, causes problems. Maybe not very often, but it can. Last night proved this.

Trying to stopwatch less than a half second of time is dumb. WMU won. Michigan stinks.

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Stadium clock is the official clock. The video NBC showed with the clock super imposed is not the official video replay refs use, and it was out of sync. Watch the video the replay booth used and there is an extra second. I don't get why people are having such a hard time with this. NBC made a mistake.

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And I am saying we have not seen the "official" replay video released by the Big 10. Some phone capture of an on field replay camera showing some blurry pixels ain't cutting it.

The video I have seen is the replay video the TV booth has. The one that the Big 10 confirmed in their statement was synced. That really should be the end of it. And in that in the video, the ball was about 2 yards from being caught when all 0's hit.

I understand the technical aspects of this stuff, truly. Per their own statement though, the one replay we all see is good enough in my eyes. Agree to disagree. Either way, my point stands. Get rid of the tenths which we cannot see. We don't need that granularity in this already super subjective game.

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AustinAg2K said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Lol at all the people looking at this like the Zapruder film.

Honestly, with how incredibly subjective so many things are in this game, why the hell we are using tenths of a second? When everyone is cool with refs just feeling out a spot of the ball all game long. Why the hell are we not using the stadium clock, the one that every single player, coach, and even the f'ing refs (initially), as the official clock? It's simple, everyone is on the same page, and everyone can see it for themselves in real time.

The point is, having a secret clock that no one but a very select few have access to, causes problems. Maybe not very often, but it can. Last night proved this.

Trying to stopwatch less than a half second of time is dumb. WMU won. Michigan stinks.

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Stadium clock is the official clock. The video NBC showed with the clock super imposed is not the official video replay refs use, and it was out of sync. Watch the video the replay booth used and there is an extra second. I don't get why people are having such a hard time with this. NBC made a mistake.

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This. There aren't different clocks. What there are is different video feed syncs to the clock. So when replay looked at it and NBC looked at it their videos were not in sync.

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There is a clock with tenths of a second that no one sees. It is extremely rare it comes into question. Yet, it can. Just like last night.

Im saying g there's not enough evidence to overturn. They confidently claim the guy touches the ball before 0:00 but they must be superman to be able to see through his body.

Its a bull**** over turn. Game was over.

Eliminatus said:

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2008and1 said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Lol at all the people looking at this like the Zapruder film.

Honestly, with how incredibly subjective so many things are in this game, why the hell we are using tenths of a second? When everyone is cool with refs just feeling out a spot of the ball all game long. Why the hell are we not using the stadium clock, the one that every single player, coach, and even the f'ing refs (initially), as the official clock? It's simple, everyone is on the same page, and everyone can see it for themselves in real time.

The point is, having a secret clock that no one but a very select few have access to, causes problems. Maybe not very often, but it can. Last night proved this.

Trying to stopwatch less than a half second of time is dumb. WMU won. Michigan stinks.

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Stadium clock is the official clock. The video NBC showed with the clock super imposed is not the official video replay refs use, and it was out of sync. Watch the video the replay booth used and there is an extra second. I don't get why people are having such a hard time with this. NBC made a mistake.

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This. There aren't different clocks. What there are is different video feed syncs to the clock. So when replay looked at it and NBC looked at it their videos were not in sync.

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There is a clock with tenths of a second that no one sees. It is extremely rare it comes into question. Yet, it can. Just like last night.

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No, there isn't. NCAA rules specifically state you can not use a clock with tenths of a second. Read further up in the thread. The rule is quoted. There is no secret clock.

AustinAg2K said:

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Eliminatus said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Lol at all the people looking at this like the Zapruder film.

Honestly, with how incredibly subjective so many things are in this game, why the hell we are using tenths of a second? When everyone is cool with refs just feeling out a spot of the ball all game long. Why the hell are we not using the stadium clock, the one that every single player, coach, and even the f'ing refs (initially), as the official clock? It's simple, everyone is on the same page, and everyone can see it for themselves in real time.

The point is, having a secret clock that no one but a very select few have access to, causes problems. Maybe not very often, but it can. Last night proved this.

Trying to stopwatch less than a half second of time is dumb. WMU won. Michigan stinks.

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Stadium clock is the official clock. The video NBC showed with the clock super imposed is not the official video replay refs use, and it was out of sync. Watch the video the replay booth used and there is an extra second. I don't get why people are having such a hard time with this. NBC made a mistake.

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This. There aren't different clocks. What there are is different video feed syncs to the clock. So when replay looked at it and NBC looked at it their videos were not in sync.

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There is a clock with tenths of a second that no one sees. It is extremely rare it comes into question. Yet, it can. Just like last night.

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No, there isn't. NCAA rules specifically state you can not use a clock with tenths of a second. Read further up in the thread. The rule is quoted. There is no secret clock.

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My apologies. You are right.

Which honestly, makes my point even more! All zeros, baby. WMU won.

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It seems like you shouldn't even need the clock to figure this out, since right before the play they announced to put 9 seconds on the clock. Since college football works only in full seconds, that means it's an even 9. Just start a stop watch as soon as the ball is snapped and see if it's more than 9 seconds when it hits the defenders hands. That will tell you which click is correct. NBC or B10.

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I did just that -- 3 times. And none of you are going to like my results. But the thing is, that isn't how this works.

Anyway, just for fun, the first time I did it, I got 8.4xx; the second time, 8.6xx, and the last time, 8.1xx.

I don't believe the replay ruling is correct unless their clock is significantly different (almost a second) from the clock shown. It MAY be, but the B10 says all the network clocks were synced. Then, they said, the clock used in the replay showed one second. I have stopped the replay numerous times (easily 10 or more) when it APPEARS someone touched the ball and I NEVER got anything but 00:00.

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I'm a bit confused. You first say that you got results in the 8 dot something range, which is also what I got. That means the B10 is right and there was time left. But then you say you never got anything but 0s, which seemingly conflicts with your first three tests. Are you saying your first three tests had time left, but then every test after did not?

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What I'm saying is the count-UP test isn't relevant. My results are nowhere near official and that isn't how things work. They work with the clock starting at 9 and counting DOWN to 0. However, if one wants to think about how long the play took, it appeared to have taken less than 9 seconds.

Its information only and the reader will have to reconcile it for themselves. No, as of right now, I do NOT believe they did it right. However, I CAN be persuaded otherwise with more information.

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See my tweet above with a countdown clock. There are .6 seconds left. The play did not take a full 9 seconds.

At this point, I think NBC was wrong. Just because they claimed their clock was in sync, doesn't mean it was. They have no more authority than the replay refs who also say their clock was in sync.

If you look at the NBC replay, their clock clicks down from 9 to 8 almost immediately as soon as the ball was snapped. Definitely not a full second. Either they started their clock before the snap or they weren't at a full 9 seconds. They were at 8.2 or something like that. My guess is that when they reset the game clock from 8 to 9 seconds, NBC did not reset their clock. They added a second back, which isn't the same thing.

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Their clock was the clock in the stadium, and it had been synced up all game long.

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And they had just synced it up at 9 seconds right before that when the refs had them change it from 8 seconds to 9 seconds.

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Except NBC didn't. Watch how fast it goes from 9 to 8 seconds. It's not a full second. NBC reset their clock to 8.5 or something like that. Not 9.0.

Noticed this live on the NBC clock...It was out of sync

The officials said to put 9 seconds on the clock. Not 8 1/3. The NBC clock missed 2/3 of a second which caused the confusion. pic.twitter.com/oV2b8LLf5S

— Meyers Football Films (@meyersmedia_) September 6, 2026

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WTF would NBC put 8.xx seconds? that makes no sense at all.

That guy is an idiot. Ref say set the game clock to 9 seconds. That is 9.0 seconds. The instant the ball snaps the clock goes under 9, thus showing 8 for one full second. If this tweeter was correct, there would be one second left when the clock hits 0:00.

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That guy is an idiot. Ref say set the game clock to 9 seconds. That is 9.0 seconds. The instant the ball snaps the clock goes under 9, thus showing 8 for one full second. If this tweeter was correct, there would be one second left when the clock hits 0:00.

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No. The clock shows 9 seconds until it hits 8.00, otherwise it will hit 0 when there are still .99 seconds left in the game. We discussed this earlier in the thread. Since there aren't fractions if a second, the clock will show 9 if it's at 9.0, 8.5, 8.1, etc. it will show 1 if there 1.0, .99, .5, .01.

The Big Ten deciding mighty Michigan can't be "Appalachian State'd" again. Western Michigan was cheated out of what should have been one of the all-time wins in program history.

Texas A&M said:

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The Big Ten robbed Western Michigan and then tried gaslighting the entire country pic.twitter.com/dJfEz8Wf8I

— Josh Pate (@JoshPateCFB) September 6, 2026

Another commons sense view....

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Not really common sense when he claims the secret clock. It's been repeatedly pointed out there was no secret clock. It's the stadium clock. Why is it so hard for people to believe NBC might have no been in sync? Everyone immediately says the Big 10 lied. Why is everyone trusting NBC? NBC has given one image. Overnight, there are now two different shots showing what the Big 10 says, along with now hundreds of people on X who have timed it themselves and agree the refs were right. Pate claiming that they used canva to create a screenshot makes him look like the dumbass in all of this.

I do agree the Big 10s statement was terrible. They should come out and flat out say the NBC clock/replay/sync was not official and is inaccurate. They should probably release the entire replay conversation, too. They need to take charge of this.

AustinAg2K said:

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Texas A&M said:

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The Big Ten robbed Western Michigan and then tried gaslighting the entire country pic.twitter.com/dJfEz8Wf8I

— Josh Pate (@JoshPateCFB) September 6, 2026

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Not really common sense when he claims the secret clock. It's been repeatedly pointed out there was no secret clock. It's the stadium clock. Why is it so hard for people to believe NBC might have no been in sync? Everyone immediately says the Big 10 lied. Why is everyone trusting NBC? NBC has given one image. Overnight, there are now two different shots showing what the Big 10 says, along with now hundreds of people on X who have timed it themselves and agree the refs were right. Pate claiming that they used canva to create a screenshot makes him look like the dumbass in all of this.

I do agree the Big 10s statement was terrible. They should come out and flat out say the NBC clock/replay/sync was not official and is inaccurate. They should probably release the entire replay conversation, too. They need to take charge of this.

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Yeah well, they did say it was synced. There is only one clock. Ergo, it's official. And that's the official statement. If anyone has ****ed up, it's the Big 10 main office for not controlling it as you say. Their statement should confirm WMU's win and negate Michigan's 5th down.

Texas A&M said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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Texas A&M said:

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The Big Ten robbed Western Michigan and then tried gaslighting the entire country pic.twitter.com/dJfEz8Wf8I

— Josh Pate (@JoshPateCFB) September 6, 2026

Another commons sense view....

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Not really common sense when he claims the secret clock. It's been repeatedly pointed out there was no secret clock. It's the stadium clock. Why is it so hard for people to believe NBC might have no been in sync? Everyone immediately says the Big 10 lied. Why is everyone trusting NBC? NBC has given one image. Overnight, there are now two different shots showing what the Big 10 says, along with now hundreds of people on X who have timed it themselves and agree the refs were right. Pate claiming that they used canva to create a screenshot makes him look like the dumbass in all of this.

I do agree the Big 10s statement was terrible. They should come out and flat out say the NBC clock/replay/sync was not official and is inaccurate. They should probably release the entire replay conversation, too. They need to take charge of this.

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Because they were in sync the whole game. But magically the last ~9 seconds they got out of sync. How convenient.

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Were they in sync? Did you watch the whole game and compare the times? They could have been half second off the whole game.

I'm sorry, but it's very clear that the official screens the replay refs were using were not the same that NBC showed. It's clear as day. The clocks are in a different position and even look different. It's pretty safe to assume the replay refs were using the official feed and NBC was not. The view the refs were using show time still on the clock.

WMU press conference went on earlier than expected.

Coach Lance looked like he was ready to twist someone's head off. Just sitting and stewing and staring at a single point over the reports heads. President was smarmy as hell. Both were diplomatic but went out of their way to not mention Michigan won. Bottom line was they presented their grievances and Big Ten gave them their line and there was nothing more that WMU could do at that time. Mind you this was happening very late last night. Coach is adopting a life must move on. Even if mistakes happen. Very clear on that point and shows he is not agreeing personally with the call but has no power to do anything. He is still a head coach and needs to prepare for next week and set an example for his players.

President is a weird dude. You know that weird smarmy dude who says a bunch of kissass stuff that you want to punch in the face? That's him. But still made it clear to me that he isn't exactly agreeable to everything that went down but he has to go along with it as well because simply, what else is there to be done?

Just another tiered system in modern day America. Haves vs have nots. Sucks.

Texas A&M said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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Texas A&M said:

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The Big Ten robbed Western Michigan and then tried gaslighting the entire country pic.twitter.com/dJfEz8Wf8I

— Josh Pate (@JoshPateCFB) September 6, 2026

Another commons sense view....

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Not really common sense when he claims the secret clock. It's been repeatedly pointed out there was no secret clock. It's the stadium clock. Why is it so hard for people to believe NBC might have no been in sync? Everyone immediately says the Big 10 lied. Why is everyone trusting NBC? NBC has given one image. Overnight, there are now two different shots showing what the Big 10 says, along with now hundreds of people on X who have timed it themselves and agree the refs were right. Pate claiming that they used canva to create a screenshot makes him look like the dumbass in all of this.

I do agree the Big 10s statement was terrible. They should come out and flat out say the NBC clock/replay/sync was not official and is inaccurate. They should probably release the entire replay conversation, too. They need to take charge of this.

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Because they were in sync the whole game. But magically the last ~9 seconds they got out of sync. How convenient.

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Immediately before the play, the ref says, "Reset the game clock to 9 seconds." Go watch the replay on NBC and watch the first second got from 9 to 8. It's very clear that it's not a full second. Possibly it was out of sync the whole game. Possibly it became out of sync when they reset the clock. I don't know, but it's clear the NBC clock was not correct in their own replay.

The "magic clock" is a clock that counts down using 100th of a second. (According the replay posted by the Big 10)

The issue is…why has that never been the case before? When the clock hits zero…..its zero (in the past)

1.3
1.2
1.1
1.0
Game over……wait no, there's more.
0.9
0.8
Etc

Technically, the clock hit zero (the one showing whole seconds) but in reality, there are still .9 seconds left.
Basketball utilizes tenths of a second…

My issue is that I have never seen college football utilize tenths of a second.

So when Mond was ruled "not down" because there was still a second on the clock…..actually there was likely 1.7 seconds on the clock, and even if it would have read zero….there would have been .7 seconds left, so the game goes on? Doubt it. They would have said game over, clock was at zero.


Am I wrong? Show me a college football game that counts down in tenths of a second

This could be part of the issue. This is from the Big 10 release:

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Eight-five minutes prior to the game, all broadcast cameras used for the replay system, including the camera on the game clock, are synced using a strobe system to ensure all cameras are aligned.

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Notice it specifically says those used for the replay system. It does not say all broadcast cameras. If NBC used a view/feed that is not part of the official replay, there is no guarantee it is in sync. I have no idea what cameras are considered part of the replay system. NBC really needs to come out with their own statement on what happened, but I imagine they are loving the controversy right now.

Zero is Zero, there is no time left after zero.

This was not a clock that displayed tenths, a standard clock shows 1 while there is still time left.

This thread is 10 pages..

what is the consensus?

I would greatly appreciate a response. Thanks!

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Texas A&M said:

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The Big Ten robbed Western Michigan and then tried gaslighting the entire country pic.twitter.com/dJfEz8Wf8I

— Josh Pate (@JoshPateCFB) September 6, 2026

Another commons sense view....

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Not really common sense when he claims the secret clock. It's been repeatedly pointed out there was no secret clock. It's the stadium clock. Why is it so hard for people to believe NBC might have no been in sync? Everyone immediately says the Big 10 lied. Why is everyone trusting NBC? NBC has given one image. Overnight, there are now two different shots showing what the Big 10 says, along with now hundreds of people on X who have timed it themselves and agree the refs were right. Pate claiming that they used canva to create a screenshot makes him look like the dumbass in all of this.

I do agree the Big 10s statement was terrible. They should come out and flat out say the NBC clock/replay/sync was not official and is inaccurate. They should probably release the entire replay conversation, too. They need to take charge of this.

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Because they were in sync the whole game. But magically the last ~9 seconds they got out of sync. How convenient.

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Were they in sync? Did you watch the whole game and compare the times? They could have been half second off the whole game.

I'm sorry, but it's very clear that the official screens the replay refs were using were not the same that NBC showed. It's clear as day. The clocks are in a different position and even look different. It's pretty safe to assume the replay refs were using the official feed and NBC was not. The view the refs were using show time still on the clock.

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It's not just the broadcast clock. People at the game claim that the stadium clock also showed 0 before the player touched the ball.

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Maybe they should go back to cheating.

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It's been repeatedly pointed out there was no secret clock. It's the stadium clock. Why is it so hard for people to believe NBC might have no been in sync? Everyone immediately says the Big 10 lied. Why is everyone trusting NBC?

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Honestly, I have no idea between NBC and the Big 10 Replay Center who had the correct "clock". All I know is that it is horrible optics for the B1G's national broadcast partner to have a clock that shows 0:00 for millions to see, their rules analyst to assuredly claim the game is over, only for the refs to go to replay and claim there is 0:01 left. And then a couple of hours after a miracle happens to save the game for a conference blue blood, the conference sends out a video clip and explains that "Actually, our Replay Center clock that no one else can see was synced correctly and there really was 0:01 left.".