Ok I'm up early today and have to put there that the logic on the top SEC QB's continues to baffle me. Again, I don't expect Marcel to be #1, but I'd obviously love to see him have a great 2026 and come back next year and take that spot but I'm not getting ahead of myself here. But #8 is straight up ridiculous considering every sports media person keeps putting Alabamas undecided QB ahead of Marcel along with other QB's that were injured last year or played at Marcels level (but even that is debatable) . If it's that the feel he was inconsistent is fine but obviously he overcame some of the inconsistency to still produce damn good winning season. Others were inconsistent and had a worse record and many of those haven't reloaded enough to say they will for sure be any better than A&M. If you want to call out Marcels flaws at the end I get it but to deny as a whole the season he had as whole should still put him higher. Just based on the fact that if you have a returning QB whose team had a good season, and we say QB is one of the most important pieces, and place him at 8 makes no sense. Top 5 is where he belong and I feel like will still be the case come the end of this season. It's not very bold to say "he could could be as high as 4" and you put him that low when he has plenty of games to show he's not likely to regress that much, showed a lot of growth last year, especially when you've put others who haven't matched him to this point. Maybe TexAgs will make me feel better about my rant this morning.
Josh Pate's Top 10 SEC QB's
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so #8 is ridiculous, but #7 would be reasonable if it puts him above the Alabama QB? Seems like splitting hairs
its just an opinion, he even makes fun of how bad his opinion was last year.
don't let it make you feel bad. its all noise.
its just an opinion, he even makes fun of how bad his opinion was last year.
don't let it make you feel bad. its all noise.
GOOD
Pate was way off on his top 10 QB list last year
Begging for another before and after comparison for handicapping the Pate-o-meter
A&M Give Us Room!
Not losing sleep and not saying should be 7. Don't care for the list in general more so he's deserving of a top 5 based on the resume regardless of how the season ended.
I assume his rating has a lot to do with those last two games. Tough competition but not leading your team to a touchdown (defenses figuring him out) the last two games, brings up some doubts on this year. Others, probably showed more improvement last year as the season went on.
Because pre-season guesses are always prophetic???
It seems like everyone has forgotten that Marcel was one of the top guys on the heisman lists until late in November.
I think people are misplacing their angst. This is exactly the position you want to be in. The absolute WORST spot to be in is at the top of hype lists and pre-season rankings.
The negative and toxic discourse that comes with not living up to the hype, which happens to all the teams except 1 or 2, is inevitable.
Way better to be a pleasant surprise or a met expectations vs a met expectations or a fraudulent flop.
Which is why this year could be a very good year for all of us ho hate tu. Their inevitable fall from grace and finger pointing should be really really good this year given how much hype they're getting.
The negative and toxic discourse that comes with not living up to the hype, which happens to all the teams except 1 or 2, is inevitable.
Way better to be a pleasant surprise or a met expectations vs a met expectations or a fraudulent flop.
Which is why this year could be a very good year for all of us ho hate tu. Their inevitable fall from grace and finger pointing should be really really good this year given how much hype they're getting.
Mateer at 3 was the strangest placement in my opinion
Marcel could use the motivation. Had he thrown a TD in the last two games maybe he's higher on the list. If he beats Miami then hes probably top 2
Marcel controls the narrative
Marcel controls the narrative
"I don't care about your feelings OP. I'm not going to let fandom replace reason, thought, and history"
If you watch the interview before the Texas game, Reed thought that he was #1 on the list. Maybe this is a good reminder that he needs to play and not talk.
Reed finished #5 last year in the SEC in QBR. My expectation is he will finish better this year.
It's time to put up or shut up. Third year as a starter. Started 8 games two yrs ago & all 13 last yr. Completion percentage both yrs within 1%, and td/int ratio actually went slightly down last yr (25/12 last yr vs. 15/6 two yrs ago).
Tired of hearing coaches & talking heads say how good he is or how much growth there has been. Show it on the field.
Tired of hearing coaches & talking heads say how good he is or how much growth there has been. Show it on the field.
I would for sure rate him above Sellers. He would have to prove that his accuracy has significantly improved before he has a strong argument for passing the others.
TheRatt87 said:
It's time to put up or shut up. Third year as a starter. Started 8 games two yrs ago & all 13 last yr. Completion percentage both yrs within 1%, and td/int ratio actually went slightly down last yr (25/12 last yr vs. 15/6 two yrs ago).
Tired of hearing coaches & talking heads say how good he is or how much growth there has been. Show it on the field.
You can expect his INT's to go WAY DOWN this season. He threw 11 INT's from under center vs. 1 INT thrown from shotgun formation. Klein couldn't figure that out.
Quit turning it over, especially in the red zone. Pretty simple.
levimod said:
It seems like everyone has forgotten that Marcel was one of the top guys on the heisman lists until late in November when we faced tough competition.
fify
Who cares about last season and faux sip driven rankings or lists. Rank him at the bottom and let him see it. Put it on his locker.
His goal should be about the future and becoming #1 this season.
His goal should be about the future and becoming #1 this season.
In all fairness, Pate acknowledged this was just about consistency. If Marcel plays like he did for the first 3/4 of the season last year all year long, he's back in the Heisman conversation. If Miami/tu/first half South Carolina show back up, this is an accurate placement.
I wonder where JFF was in the pre-season QB rankings. Or Winston, at FSU.
This is recency bias at play. Marcel regressed tremendously over the course of last season, which is doubly troubling considering the schedule this year. It's going to get much, much harder, and he's behind a mostly new o line, with a new OC, and lost the best WR this team has had in years.
It's amazing that anyone would be up in arms with this list based on the host of issues facing Reed this season.
It's amazing that anyone would be up in arms with this list based on the host of issues facing Reed this season.
Pate did so well at this last year. LOL
The only pick on that list he actually said was bc of the QB play was Chambliss and possibly Gunner. All the others he projected more about the team being the reasoning.
Pate last year was propping Reed a Heisman finalist when we were 11-0.
It that episode he also posted several videos from another guy who made several bad predictions. It was interesting he did that. I guess he's not a fan of that guy.
The only pick on that list he actually said was bc of the QB play was Chambliss and possibly Gunner. All the others he projected more about the team being the reasoning.
Pate last year was propping Reed a Heisman finalist when we were 11-0.
It that episode he also posted several videos from another guy who made several bad predictions. It was interesting he did that. I guess he's not a fan of that guy.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
I think the fact of the matter is everyone in the college media watched pretty much every minute of Reed's last two games. And those games were bad, so that surfaced some doubt.
I believe in Reed. In part because he carried us to an 11-1 record and our first playoff appearance. In part because he was a Heisman contender late into last year. In part because in his two worst games he was playing against a really good defense and was also either injured (Texas) or the wind was blowing so hard that you couldn't reliably throw it or kick it more than a few yards (Miami). And in part because he's clearly a super-high-character player and I believe he has put in the work this offseason to improve on the flaws that are there.
I believe in Reed. In part because he carried us to an 11-1 record and our first playoff appearance. In part because he was a Heisman contender late into last year. In part because in his two worst games he was playing against a really good defense and was also either injured (Texas) or the wind was blowing so hard that you couldn't reliably throw it or kick it more than a few yards (Miami). And in part because he's clearly a super-high-character player and I believe he has put in the work this offseason to improve on the flaws that are there.
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I wonder where JFF was in the pre-season QB rankings. Or Winston, at FSU.
You mean after starting a whole year a winning the Heisman? He was #2, comically, but finished #1. The year before, he was a nobody because he had no games under his belt. Reed has a season and a half of starts.
goodag88 said:
I would for sure rate him above Sellers. He would have to prove that his accuracy has significantly improved before he has a strong argument for passing the others.
bottom line is there are a bunch of really good QBs in the SEC and once you get past Trinidad 2-8 is not that much different. Why people care about these lists is beyond me.
W said:
Pate was way off on his top 10 QB list last year
He's way off on everything. He so badly wants a national audience that he goes out of his way to cater to Big 10 and downplay SEC. He's terrible at analyzing teams and players until the season is halfway through, same as the rest of the typical media.
Long story short, what was once an honest and fair local Southeast guy has turned into just another media talking head.
W said:
Pate was way off on his top 10 QB list last year
Hes just another content creator that doesnt actually know anything, its just entertainment for morons.
Blonde Coffee Beans said:
Marcel could use the motivation. Had he thrown a TD in the last two games maybe he's higher on the list. If he beats Miami then hes probably top 2
Marcel controls the narrative
The sad/funny thing is everyone on the game thread was predicting the INT in the end zone during the Miami game.
He certainly needs to change that narrative.
levytrousersEOY said:
This is recency bias at play. Marcel regressed tremendously over the course of last season, which is doubly troubling considering the schedule this year. It's going to get much, much harder, and he's behind a mostly new o line, with a new OC, and lost the best WR this team has had in years.
It's amazing that anyone would be up in arms with this list based on the host of issues facing Reed this season.
Considering how accurate your assessments are..
yep - a whole lot of stupid on this threadMr.Milkshake said:
People are generally pretty stupid
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr/_/group/8
The narrative is out there, fair or not, that Marcel is a good runner but not a good QB. It could work to our advantage if he uses it as fuel to prove them wrong. Traditionally, our program handles bad press better than we do good press.
Marcel has to finish the season and win the biggest games that really count because they get you to the biggest prizes. He hasn't done that yet.
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