Justice Beaver said:

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This narrative that it all fell apart is amusing. We lost two close games with an unplugged OC. There is no fundamental issue, as much as some here might want there to be.

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Except that it has happened now 2 years in a row.

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In 2024 we lost 4 of our last 5 (0-3 SEC) and missed the playoffs.

In 2025 we won 3 of our last 5 (2-1 SEC) and clinched a playoff spot

Justice Beaver said:

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the more coolest guy said:

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This narrative that it all fell apart is amusing. We lost two close games with an unplugged OC. There is no fundamental issue, as much as some here might want there to be.

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Except that it has happened now 2 years in a row.

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For every team that didn't go undefeated…which is just about everyone. Do we all have fundamental issues? I know you're having fun being a hard ass so I will respectfully decline to argue anymore.

Teslag said:

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Justice Beaver said:

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This narrative that it all fell apart is amusing. We lost two close games with an unplugged OC. There is no fundamental issue, as much as some here might want there to be.

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Except that it has happened now 2 years in a row.

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In 2024 we lost 4 of our last 5 (0-3 SEC) and missed the playoffs.

In 2025 we won 3 of our last 5 (2-1 SEC) and clinched a playoff spot

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In 2024 we lost to a putrid Auburn team and then Texas at Kyle, needing a win in either to secure a spot in our first ever SECCG…We went on to lose the bowl game.

In 2025 we got dominated by a painfully average Texas team in the 2nd half to lose, needing a win to secure a spot in our first ever SECCG…We went on to not score a single touchdown in our home CFP game.

Past 2 years; Three (4 if you want to include SC) games with Atlanta on the line: 0-3. Against our biggest rival: 0-2. Postseason: 0-2.

the more coolest guy said:

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Justice Beaver said:

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the more coolest guy said:

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This narrative that it all fell apart is amusing. We lost two close games with an unplugged OC. There is no fundamental issue, as much as some here might want there to be.

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Except that it has happened now 2 years in a row.

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For every team that didn't go undefeated…which is just about everyone. Do we all have fundamental issues? I know you're having fun being a hard ass so I will respectfully decline to argue anymore.

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Not every team lost their last 2 games, so no?
Also not sure how that's remotely relevant to the argument but I guess you can't be bothered to respond since you think you've made some kind of point and won.

I don't try to win with guys like you anymore.

We didn't get dominated by Texas in 2025. It was a 3 point game with 7 minutes to go. Some of you really love hyperbole

And I like how you gloss over the fact that we locked down a CFP spot in November.

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This narrative that it all fell apart is amusing. We lost two close games with an unplugged OC. There is no fundamental issue, as much as some here might want there to be.

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This post brought to you by the Klein haters club.

Don't they know it was officially the wind that screwed us over?

Did you miss where I typed the words "home CFP game"?
But that is actually a great point…let's talk about how we locked it up in November….by having to mount the largest comeback in modern, possibly all-time, SEC history against a bottom feeder.

And in 2024 2mwe would have lost that game.

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Did you miss where I typed the words "home CFP game"?
But that is actually a great point…let's talk about how we locked it up in November….by having to mount the largest comeback in modern, possibly all-time, SEC history against a bottom feeder.

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Did it count as a win or a loss? Do teams that "fall apart" make comebacks like that?

I didn't hate him. We scored a ton of points with him and I never understood the people who did hate his offense. But I do believe our game plan suffered mightily after he took the K State job.

Elite teams don't put themselves in the position to have to make that comeback. Sure we escaped by the thinnest of margins because of the caliber team that SC was, but make no mistake the collapse started in the first half of that game and the ship never truly righted. To argue otherwise is dishonest.

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Elite teams don't put themselves in the position to have to make that comeback. Sure we escaped by the thinnest of margins because of the caliber team that SC was, but make no mistake the collapse started in the first half of that game and the ship never truly righted. To argue otherwise is dishonest.

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Cope harder

You may have had a point earlier if you didn't cope with that horrible point about elite teams not putting themselves in that situation. Name me a team this year that didn't lost a game they "shouldn't" to a technically lesser team. If your answer is anyone except Indiana then you're lying lol.

Anyone who didn't see the teams falling apart at the end of both of Elko's seasons here doesn't understand football. 2024's collapse was definitely worse, but the last month of 2025 included a dud against South Carolina, a thrilling victory against the Samford Bulldogs, and two losses characterized but incredibly subpar offensive production.

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You may have had a point earlier if you didn't cope with that horrible point about elite teams not putting themselves in that situation. Name me a team this year that didn't lost a game they "shouldn't" to a technically lesser team. If your answer is anyone except Indiana then you're lying lol.

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Indiana had to have a miraculous come back against a bad Penn State team too

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Anyone who didn't see the teams falling apart at the end of both of Elko's seasons here doesn't understand football. 2024's collapse was definitely worse, but the last month of 2025included a dud against South Carolina[, a thrilling victory against the Samford Bulldogs, and two losses characterized but incredibly subpar offensive production.

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We only played one game in the last month of 2025(December).

In the month before that (November) we went 3-1 (2-1 SEC) and clinched a playoff spot.

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You may have had a point earlier if you didn't cope with that horrible point about elite teams not putting themselves in that situation. Name me a team this year that didn't lost a game they "shouldn't" to a technically lesser team. If your answer is anyone except Indiana then you're lying lol.

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Indiana had to have a miraculous come back against a bad Penn State team too

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You need to remember that Rule 1 for bleeders and the "keepin it real" types is to never hold other teams to the standard that you hold A&M to.

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levytrousersEOY said:

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Anyone who didn't see the teams falling apart at the end of both of Elko's seasons here doesn't understand football. 2024's collapse was definitely worse, but the last month of 2025included a dud against South Carolina[, a thrilling victory against the Samford Bulldogs, and two losses characterized but incredibly subpar offensive production.

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We only played one game in the last month of 2025(December).

In the month before that (November) we went 3-1 (2-1 SEC) and clinched a playoff spot.

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Why can't there be a middle ground on this conversation?

It's fair to say that this season was one of the best seasons in our program's history, easily top 5 I would think.

However, it did end disappointingly losing back to back games with a lot of mistakes and a struggle to score.

There should be a lot of optimism with where the program is now compared to two years ago, but we also want to progress from here and continue to improve

I would agree with that. But the argument that it was just another typical November collapse is a reach and requires mouth drooling idiocy and isn't reflected in the W-L or accomplishment.

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Teslag said:

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levytrousersEOY said:

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Anyone who didn't see the teams falling apart at the end of both of Elko's seasons here doesn't understand football. 2024's collapse was definitely worse, but the last month of 2025included a dud against South Carolina[, a thrilling victory against the Samford Bulldogs, and two losses characterized but incredibly subpar offensive production.

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We only played one game in the last month of 2025(December).

In the month before that (November) we went 3-1 (2-1 SEC) and clinched a playoff spot.

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There should be a lot of optimism with where the program is now compared to two years ago, but we also want to progress from here and continue to improve

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This is exactly right.

(Though I totally understand the bitter end to the season overriding logic...say what you will, but that was tough no matter how you slice it).

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Teslag said:

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levytrousersEOY said:

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Anyone who didn't see the teams falling apart at the end of both of Elko's seasons here doesn't understand football. 2024's collapse was definitely worse, but the last month of 2025included a dud against South Carolina[, a thrilling victory against the Samford Bulldogs, and two losses characterized but incredibly subpar offensive production.

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We only played one game in the last month of 2025(December).

In the month before that (November) we went 3-1 (2-1 SEC) and clinched a playoff spot.

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Why can't there be a middle ground on this conversation?

It's fair to say that this season was one of the best seasons in our program's history, easily top 5 I would think.

However, it did end disappointingly losing back to back games with a lot of mistakes and a struggle to score.

There should be a lot of optimism with where the program is now compared to two years ago, but we also want to progress from here and continue to improve

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2025 was absolutely one of our best years ever. Yes it was a disappointing end but it was far from a collapse. We lost to our #1 rival and the national runner up, if not champion in the playoffs. We also held Miami to less than 278 yards of offense (1/3 on their TD drive at the end)

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I would agree with that. But the argument that it was just another typical November collapse is a reach and requires mouth drooling idiocy and isn't reflected in the W-L or accomplishment.

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Is it a reach or is it mouth drooling idiocy? How can you deny that the end of the season continues to be a concern for this program?
Should the drooling over the W-L record not be somewhat tampered by the strength of those opponents, and the record against the better teams on the schedule? And that Reed unarguably regressed over the course of the season?

I still think there's lots of room for optimism. I think it was a good portal class. But it's hard to get too pumped up when you're seeing rivals break the bank on positions of need (when the Ags have just as much $). Sips are now supposed to get the CU OT. That is not good.

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How can you deny that the end of the season continues to be a concern for this program?

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Because at the end of the regular season we went 3-1, including 2-1 in the SEC (one win being against a ranked SEC team on the road), to clinch a playoff spot.

These are facts. They happened. None of it is embellished or wrong.

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think it was a good portal class. But it's hard to get too pumped up when you're seeing rivals break the bank on positions of need (when the Ags have just as much $). Sips are now supposed to get the CU OT. That is not good.

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We currently have the #3 ranked portal class, behind Indiana and Tech (teams that matter more than the sips since they made the playoffs).

https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/team-rankings/football/2026/

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We currently have the #3 ranked portal class, behind Indiana and Tech (teams that matter more than the sips since they made the playoffs).

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Teams that matter more? You mean the ones the Ags almost definitely aren't playing next season?

I do not understand your above arguments. To stipulate that the ending of last season wasn't a let down defies all logic and reason.

Again, we ended our season going 3-1 (2-1 in the SEC) to qualify for a playoff spot and have one of our greatest seasons ever.

We then lost in the playoff. Unless we won the NC our run was going to end in a loss.

Again, all of these are facts. Cold hard fact. Not conjecture or interpretation.

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Teams that matter more? You mean the ones the Ags almost definitely aren't playing next season?

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Tech is a shoe in for the playoffs with their schedule. Indiana should reload and do well in the B1G. There's a decent chance we see one of these teams in the playoff next year.

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Justice Beaver said:

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Elite teams don't put themselves in the position to have to make that comeback. Sure we escaped by the thinnest of margins because of the caliber team that SC was, but make no mistake the collapse started in the first half of that game and the ship never truly righted. To argue otherwise is dishonest.

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Cope harder

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Such a great response when you don't have a counterpoint. Well done, guy.

the more coolest guy said:

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I don't try to win with guys like you anymore.

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You can't. You cant change facts

Blonde Coffee Beans said:

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the more coolest guy said:

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I don't try to win with guys like you anymore.

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You can't. You cant change facts

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I wasn't talking to you. Unless you changed your name to Justice Beaver too. Which wouldn't surprise me. But I mean that respectfully. I don't want to hurt your feelings and make you go chase after a mod again.

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I don't try to win with guys like you anymore.

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You can't. You cant change facts

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Man i so wish I had the laugh/cry emoji right now.

Justice Beaver said:

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Justice Beaver said:

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Elite teams don't put themselves in the position to have to make that comeback. Sure we escaped by the thinnest of margins because of the caliber team that SC was, but make no mistake the collapse started in the first half of that game and the ship never truly righted. To argue otherwise is dishonest.

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Cope harder

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Such a great response when you don't have a counterpoint. Well done, guy.

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I've responded with win/loss records by month and respective achievements. You have tried to turn a literal win (SC) into a moral loss.

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You may have had a point earlier if you didn't cope with that horrible point about elite teams not putting themselves in that situation. Name me a team this year that didn't lost a game they "shouldn't" to a technically lesser team. If your answer is anyone except Indiana then you're lying lol.

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Indiana had to have a miraculous come back against a bad Penn State team too

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They were down 30-3 at halftime also?!?

Justice Beaver said:

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You may have had a point earlier if you didn't cope with that horrible point about elite teams not putting themselves in that situation. Name me a team this year that didn't lost a game they "shouldn't" to a technically lesser team. If your answer is anyone except Indiana then you're lying lol.

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Indiana had to have a miraculous come back against a bad Penn State team too

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They were down 30-3 at halftime also?!?

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Doesn't matter funal score matters. Plus they won on an absolute insane catch with 30 seconds left.

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How did they do against Texas?

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Which team made the playoffs? You know, the primary goal of every team.