Bunk Moreland said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Then throw the ball away, check down or run.

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Easy for you to say. We couldn't run for ***** Miami could. And he still outplayed Beck imo.

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Dead wrong. Beck sucked less and they won!

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The malcontents saying Reed needs to go need to be reminded OLine play was not good enough yesterday

Wabs said:

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Artorias said:

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TO3 was a terrible pass way behind the receiver. A good pass was a TD there.

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And he didn't HAVE TO try and jam a ball in there. It was 3rd down so we had a play left. He played it like it was do or die. Horrible decision and throw.

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Disagree. If he leads him, it's probably a TD. The throw was so far off and looked to come out of this hand funny that I thought it got tipped. The wind was definitely a factor, but I think he just plain shanked that one.

aggieland09 said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Then throw the ball away, check down or run.

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Easy for you to say. We couldn't run for ***** Miami could. And he still outplayed Beck imo.

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Dead wrong. Beck sucked less and they won!

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Beck was god awful. Go look up the stats. The wind was affecting both teams. One leaned on physicality and pounding the ball to take pressure off the QB who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, eventually wearing out the opposing defense. The other committed to passing into a side wind with predictable dropbacks and route combos we put on film all year for Miami to study. Klein had us on 2nd and long ALL GAME. OL was bad. Reed wasn't good. But playcalling was PREDICTABLE.

We cannot go into next season with Reed and Owens as our starters. We need to upgrade those two positions significantly.

AWP 97 said:

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We cannot go into next season with Reed and Owens as our starters. We need to upgrade those two positions significantly.

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I remember people saying Reed couldn't improve after last season.

You were wrong, and likely will be again.

Bunk Moreland said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Then throw the ball away, check down or run.

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Easy for you to say. We couldn't run for ***** Miami could. And he still outplayed Beck imo.

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So he had no open receivers and taking the sack is justified because it's not easy to scramble, throw it away or toss to a check down?? I don't get paid $2 million to.do it. He does.

Beck didn't throw an INT in the end zone to lose the game for his team. Marcel did. Beck did what he needed to do to win. Marcel didn't. In no world did Marcel outplay Beck.

Logos Stick said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Then throw the ball away, check down or run.

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Easy for you to say. We couldn't run for ***** Miami could. And he still outplayed Beck imo.

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So he had no open receivers and taking the sack is justified because it's not easy to scramble, throw it away or toss to a check down??

Beck didn't throw an INT in the end zone to lose the game for his team. Marcel did. Beck did what he needed to do to win. Marcel didn't. In no world did Marcel outplay Beck.

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Beck didn't do a single thing to win the game other than hand off. He was literally putrid in every way imaginable. The difference was that his coaches took the game out of his hands and his OL performed in the 4th quarter. That's it.

This how I see this god awful performance… every other playoff team, except for JM and Tulane (I think) would have beaten Miami and A&M yesterday.

Seriously, who really gaf how Marcel played compared to Beck? The bottom line is that Reed played a terrible game. Whatever you want to say about the OL (sucked), they gave him plenty of opportunities to make plays and he couldn't get it done.

Rarely did he put the ball in a place where a receiver could do anything with it, that's if he got it to them at all. Both the interceptions were 100% on him with bad reads and throws and it seemed obvious to me that he knew he couldn't drive the ball downfield to the middle so he kept checking down to short sideline passes.

When you want to be the QB with the attention, the hype, the adulation and now the money you have to be able to put the offense on your back and carry the team. Reed wasn't up to the task. Full stop.

5 Dollar Footlong said:

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Seriously, who really gaf how Marcel played compared to Beck? The bottom line is that Reed played a terrible game. Whatever you want to say about the OL (sucked), they gave him plenty of opportunities to make plays and he couldn't get it done.

Rarely did he put the ball in a place where a receiver could do anything with it, that's if he got it to them at all. Both the interceptions were 100% on him with bad reads and throws and it seemed obvious to me that he knew he couldn't drive the ball downfield to the middle so he kept checking down to short sideline passes.

When you want to be the QB with the attention, the hype, the adulation and now the money you have to be able to put the offense on your back and carry the team. Reed wasn't up to the task. Full stop.

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He failed yesterday. The point of the comparison is that yesterday's conditions were setup poorly for strong passing teams. One team adapted. The other kept trying to fit the round peg in a square hole.

Heineken-Ashi said:

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AWP 97 said:

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We cannot go into next season with Reed and Owens as our starters. We need to upgrade those two positions significantly.

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I remember people saying Reed couldn't improve after last season.

You were wrong, and likely will be again.

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He had 8 turnovers in the last three games against power 4 opponents.

We flapped our gums and didnt back it up. Last two games, we were bad up front. Discouraging in Y2. Would hope to get stronger by now.

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our O line was never good. Some good players, but the unit wasn't good. We couldn't run most of the year unless the other team was tired.

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That is a completely stupid post. CFP game, yes, rest of the season… BS.

ND - 128
Auburn - 207
State - 300
FL - 183
Pig - 217
lsu - 225
Mizzou - 243
USC - 64 (440 passing in passing comeback mode)
Cow - 157

So I guess all those teams were just tired…..

Certainly Miami DL stomped our OL and won the game, period. We can't have Reed be the leading rusher in attempts and yards, that is not a recipe for success.

Agree we need improved OL and RB play, and I think the RBs we have coming can be better than current RBs. Elko wants the OL to be the identity of the O, meaning an elite OL.

But to say our OL was bad and we could only run when the other team was tired is stupid.

Heineken-Ashi said:

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5 Dollar Footlong said:

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Seriously, who really gaf how Marcel played compared to Beck? The bottom line is that Reed played a terrible game. Whatever you want to say about the OL (sucked), they gave him plenty of opportunities to make plays and he couldn't get it done.

Rarely did he put the ball in a place where a receiver could do anything with it, that's if he got it to them at all. Both the interceptions were 100% on him with bad reads and throws and it seemed obvious to me that he knew he couldn't drive the ball downfield to the middle so he kept checking down to short sideline passes.

When you want to be the QB with the attention, the hype, the adulation and now the money you have to be able to put the offense on your back and carry the team. Reed wasn't up to the task. Full stop.

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He failed yesterday. The point of the comparison is that yesterday's conditions were setup poorly for strong passing teams. One team adapted. The other kept trying to fit the round peg in a square hole.

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If you say so. From my perspective one team didn't adapt. One team, one time was able to take advantage of the singular weakness of our defense we never addressed. Otherwise we largely shut them down the entire game.

Which of course makes our total offensive ineptitude even more frustrating.

5 Dollar Footlong said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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5 Dollar Footlong said:

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Seriously, who really gaf how Marcel played compared to Beck? The bottom line is that Reed played a terrible game. Whatever you want to say about the OL (sucked), they gave him plenty of opportunities to make plays and he couldn't get it done.

Rarely did he put the ball in a place where a receiver could do anything with it, that's if he got it to them at all. Both the interceptions were 100% on him with bad reads and throws and it seemed obvious to me that he knew he couldn't drive the ball downfield to the middle so he kept checking down to short sideline passes.

When you want to be the QB with the attention, the hype, the adulation and now the money you have to be able to put the offense on your back and carry the team. Reed wasn't up to the task. Full stop.

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He failed yesterday. The point of the comparison is that yesterday's conditions were setup poorly for strong passing teams. One team adapted. The other kept trying to fit the round peg in a square hole.

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If you say so. From my perspective one team didn't adapt. One team, one time was able to take advantage of the singular weakness of our defense we never addressed. Otherwise we largely shut them down the entire game.

Which of course makes our total offensive ineptitude even more frustrating.

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Yes, insanely frustrating.

There were two factors that change from SC to the Texas game and beyond.

1. Klein was interviewing for and took his dream job.
2. We played much tougher defenses than we had most of the year.

If Klein was as good as people think, he would have adapted and found wrinkles for us to be successful. But he went out in both games with his base offense he put on film all year. And both Texas and Miami were well prepared and had the talent to shut it down and force us to play the way they wanted us to play. For us to win those games, Marcel would have had to play Heisman ball. It was literally all on him. And he failed to do it. But I still don't think he was put in a great position. There are plenty of instances in history where a QB less skilled and more flawed than Marcel won big games like those. They usually had the benefit of very strong OL and a gameplan that was suited for their strengths. We had neither the last two games.

Bunk Moreland said:

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juanyfutbol said:

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In all fairness, Reed literally walked into some of those sacks or held on to the ball too long.

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In all fairness there wasn't a person open because they were only rushing 4 and dropping 7. Every single replay from behind the offense I didn't see anyone he could have thrown to.

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Skycam feed told a much different story