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The CFP fallout this year has been embarrassing

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JPAggie2010
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The championship used to be decided by 2 teams playing against each other - however, there were valid arguments that maybe 1 or 2 other teams could have been worth of playing for the whole thing

Then they expanded to 4 teams - then there were valid arguments that maybe a 5th or 6th team that may have lost a game early, was now on a tear, and could legit be the best team(s) at the end of the season and could be worth having in. I think about if this system was around during Johnny's Heisman year, we would have been on the bubble, but maybe not a "guaranteed" in - many would say we should get a real shot of going all the way. I also remember when Texas A&M was snubbed for Notre Dame, which had just lost its game to Clemson in the conference championship 34 to 10...spare me the Alabama controversy.

Now we have 12 teams. Let's be honest, this was to make sure that no matter what, the true top 6 teams or so that deserve consideration as the best team of the year have the ability to play for it all. In my opinion, the other 6 teams are there to provide good football games and potentially some upsets and/or complete surprises. Conference champions feel like a good metric to use to help fill those spots, along with other high-ranked teams. That's also why I am okay with Tulane and JMU getting in. They are given a chance to be somewhere they would have never been able to dream of in either of the old systems. Everyone in spots 9-12 should just be happy to be invited to the party.

The bowl games really suck to watch and have always felt like lame consolation prizes outside the BCS bowls. At least now we get way more fun football where the games will mean something. These teams and coaches at Notre Dame and Texas are embarrassing and sad to watch them throw their hissy fits. Neither of them is in the top 6 by a long shot and would have never sniffed a conversation or felt a certain way with the old methods. Now, they believe they are legit contenders? Give me a break. Just be happy to be talked about at this point, but don't expect anything for losing bad games or your only "tough" games in the instance of ND.

Rant over.
RogerFurlong
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The difference is tu and Notre Dame have good athletic directors who do their job and try to get their team in. We didn't have that when we've gotten left out before. This year we haven't had anyone complain about being behind Ole Miss and Oregon even though we did what the committee said and scheduled tough out of conference opponents.
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RogerFurlong said:

The difference is tu and Notre Dame have good athletic directors who do their job and try to get their team in. We didn't have that when we've gotten left out before. This year we haven't had anyone complain about being behind Ole Miss and Oregon even though we did what the committee said and scheduled tough out of conference opponents.


I personally do not want our AD publicly arguing that we should be higher.

I think Elko has done a nice job of pointing out that we did what they asked and still keep getting the lowest possible spot, but that we'll play whoever whenever.

Leave it at that.

If we wanted to be guaranteed anything, we should have just won out.
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SunrayAg
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Your mistake is believing that they care about the "most deserving " teams or "a true champion".

The cfp exists to create content and make money for Disney.

They don't care who is in, or who wins. They care how many watch.
Jawn Dough
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The only thing embarrassing about this year's CFP is Notre Dame.
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Feel like everywhere I turn analysts are wanting expansion to 16. No 3 loss team should ever be considered for a National Championship.
South Platte
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Get used to it. The college football that we loved for decades is gone and never coming back.
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I actually think this is a good point. The problem, in my opinion, is the Group of 5 teams, who have no business at all being a part of this. If they were gone and Notre Dame and tu (or BYU) were in, then there's much less room for complaints. But, tu couldn't hang with Georgia for a full 4 quarters. Bama couldn't hang with them at all. So, really doesn't matter which of those teams are part of the 6 fluff teams.
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wangus12 said:

Feel like everywhere I turn analysts are wanting expansion to 16. No 3 loss team should ever be considered for a National Championship.


What's the issue with 10 conference championship + 6 at large?
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South Platte said:

Get used to it. The college football that we loved for decades is gone and never coming back.


If y'all parrot this enough you might start believing it!
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BrotherChad2 said:

wangus12 said:

Feel like everywhere I turn analysts are wanting expansion to 16. No 3 loss team should ever be considered for a National Championship.


What's the issue with 10 conference championship + 6 at large?


We almost got 4 loss Duke, James Maddison, and Tulane who already got blown out by Ole Miss this year.
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Quote:

What's the issue with 10 conference championship + 6 at large?

everything. its terrible.


BrotherChad2
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AgLA06 said:

BrotherChad2 said:

wangus12 said:

Feel like everywhere I turn analysts are wanting expansion to 16. No 3 loss team should ever be considered for a National Championship.


What's the issue with 10 conference championship + 6 at large?


We almost got 4 loss Duke, James Maddison, and Tulane who already got blown out by Ole Miss this year.


If you win your conference championship in any other NCAA sport you're in the post season. Why is football special?

Win your conference, auto bid + 6 at large, solves the issue IMO.
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Every other NCAA sport has a national championship.

FBS Football doesn't.
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Quote:

Your mistake is believing that they care about the "most deserving " teams or "a true champion".

The cfp exists to create content and make money for Disney.

They don't care who is in, or who wins. They care how many watch.


If that were the case, Texas and Notre Dame would be in.
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wangus12 said:

Feel like everywhere I turn analysts are wanting expansion to 16. No 3 loss team should ever be considered for a National Championship.


Of course they are. That would give espn 4 more games to broadcast. More money for the mouse…
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Jawn Dough said:

The only thing embarrassing about this year's CFP is Notre Dame.


And the freakin committee
What a collection of dolts
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BrotherChad2 said:

AgLA06 said:

BrotherChad2 said:

wangus12 said:

Feel like everywhere I turn analysts are wanting expansion to 16. No 3 loss team should ever be considered for a National Championship.


What's the issue with 10 conference championship + 6 at large?


We almost got 4 loss Duke, James Maddison, and Tulane who already got blown out by Ole Miss this year.


If you win your conference championship in any other NCAA sport you're in the post season. Why is football special?

Win your conference, auto bid + 6 at large, solves the issue IMO.



football is not like the other sports. the resource gap is significantly bigger and what is required to play football is just different.

take top 16 teams regardless of conference. no byes and get rid of conference championship game
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And ADs and coaches from teams 17-20 will sound tu and nd.
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No auto bids, period! Top 12 and move on. Enough BS woke participation trophies.
Gunny456
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How do you know nobody has said or done anything. Do you work for our athletic department?
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This. 100 times.
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texag84 said:

No auto bids, period! Top 12 and move on. Enough BS woke participation trophies.

ACC and Big 12 sends their top 2, SEC and B1G send their top 4. Committe can rank those 12 how they see fit. G5 schools don't belong 98% of the time, and ND needs to join a damn conference. It's time the ACC and Big 12 just admit that, from a strength of conference perspective, they are the mid-tier between G5 and the Power 2.

"Top 12" will always be a subjective beauty contest that will leave people pissed. Give people black and white criteria, and there's nothing to ***** about. No one is getting left out because the sticker on their helmet is less popular than some else's.
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SunrayAg said:

Your mistake is believing that they care about the "most deserving " teams or "a true champion".

The cfp exists to create content and make money for Disney.

They don't care who is in, or who wins. They care how many watch.
And the more drama in the lead up, the more $ their peripheral content gets.

They've created a "reality tv" overlay to make expand 1 day of sport into 7 days of consumption.
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JPAggie2010 said:

The championship used to be decided by 2 teams playing against each other - however, there were valid arguments that maybe 1 or 2 other teams could have been worth of playing for the whole thing

Then they expanded to 4 teams - then there were valid arguments that maybe a 5th or 6th team that may have lost a game early, was now on a tear, and could legit be the best team(s) at the end of the season and could be worth having in. I think about if this system was around during Johnny's Heisman year, we would have been on the bubble, but maybe not a "guaranteed" in - many would say we should get a real shot of going all the way. I also remember when Texas A&M was snubbed for Notre Dame, which had just lost its game to Clemson in the conference championship 34 to 10...spare me the Alabama controversy.

Now we have 12 teams. Let's be honest, this was to make sure that no matter what, the true top 6 teams or so that deserve consideration as the best team of the year have the ability to play for it all. In my opinion, the other 6 teams are there to provide good football games and potentially some upsets and/or complete surprises. Conference champions feel like a good metric to use to help fill those spots, along with other high-ranked teams. That's also why I am okay with Tulane and JMU getting in. They are given a chance to be somewhere they would have never been able to dream of in either of the old systems. Everyone in spots 9-12 should just be happy to be invited to the party.

The bowl games really suck to watch and have always felt like lame consolation prizes outside the BCS bowls. At least now we get way more fun football where the games will mean something. These teams and coaches at Notre Dame and Texas are embarrassing and sad to watch them throw their hissy fits. Neither of them is in the top 6 by a long shot and would have never sniffed a conversation or felt a certain way with the old methods. Now, they believe they are legit contenders? Give me a break. Just be happy to be talked about at this point, but don't expect anything for losing bad games or your only "tough" games in the instance of ND.

Rant over.



You obviously don't watch the bowl games, they are usually good, fun games, compared to the playoff games that are almost always blowouts. Plus bowls were never more than just a bonus at the end of the year.

ND didn't take our playoff spot, Ohio St did.
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its not a playoff, its an invitational. Any teams on the wrong side of the bubble are going to complain.

This year, the biggest, loudest, most annoying crybaby is throwing an epic, embarrassing tantrum.
The Sun
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Add ons:

Create a new division. G5 becomes D2 with their own championship. FCS becomes D3, changes in division name only. D3 becomes D4.

ETA: With just the P4 remaining, send either the top 3 or 4 from each conference (based on conference standing, not subjective voter ranking) for 12 or 16 team format respectively.
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We knew the issue would never go away. The debate will always exist at wyere the line gets drawn. Oddly enough it was refreshing to see the committee didn't base the decision on money, because if so ND would have been in over Miami. And if we were in Miami's shoes and were left out over ND having won the head to head we would have been irate.

What has failed this year is the system design (winners of the group of 5) which puts JMU and Tulane over ND.

The real argument is ND vs Bama discussion.
The Banned
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The Sun said:

Add ons:

Create a new division. G5 becomes D2 with their own championship. FCS becomes D3, changes in division name only. D3 becomes D4.

Yep. Nothing against the G5 schools as institutions or teams, but the distance between them and the Power 2 is almost as big as the Power 2 and the NFL, and that will only get worse now that NIL is here.
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The Banned said:

The Sun said:

Add ons:

Create a new division. G5 becomes D2 with their own championship. FCS becomes D3, changes in division name only. D3 becomes D4.

Yep. Nothing against the G5 schools as institutions or teams, but the distance between them and the Power 2 is almost as big as the Power 2 and the NFL, and that will only get worse now that NIL is here.


Adding my edit from above:

With just the P4 remaining, send either the top 3 or 4 from each conference (based on conference standing, not subjective voter ranking) for 12 or 16 team format respectively.

This eliminates any subjectiveness and OOC BS altogether. Perform in your conference or stay home.
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This is complete revisionist history. Several times the fourth team who people argued shouldn't be invited won it all. It's highly like a fifth team would have won given a chance. This is way better than it used to be.
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The Sun said:

The Banned said:

The Sun said:

Add ons:

Create a new division. G5 becomes D2 with their own championship. FCS becomes D3, changes in division name only. D3 becomes D4.

Yep. Nothing against the G5 schools as institutions or teams, but the distance between them and the Power 2 is almost as big as the Power 2 and the NFL, and that will only get worse now that NIL is here.


Adding my edit from above:

With just the P4 remaining, send either the top 3 or 4 from each conference (based on conference standing, not subjective voter ranking) for 12 or 16 team format respectively.

This eliminates any subjectiveness and OOC BS altogether. Perform in your conference or stay home.

Top 4 makes sense with how large the conferences are.
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SunrayAg said:

Your mistake is believing that they care about the "most deserving " teams or "a true champion".

The cfp exists to create content and make money for Disney.

They don't care who is in, or who wins. They care how many watch.


Then why leave out Texas and ND? Those two programs would bring in more viewers than perhaps any other two teams.
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I'm sorry but Tulane and JMU don't belong in the playoffs.

I would rather see Notre Dame and Vandy take their place. I want the 12 best teams not the winners of the peewee divisions.
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