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94chem said:

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Yeah, they got hosed...and it's funny. I can have both feelings with a clean conscience.

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They didn't get hosed.

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They objectively did. They ended up at #11.

The #20 and #24 teams got in ahead of them.

Thus, they got hosed. It's still funny and I"m enjoying it because f* that school, but they got hosed and it's not arguable.

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Ferg said:

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Be careful what you wish for. If they join the BIG it separates them from the SEC, as Michigan, Michigan State USC and Penn State are not going to stay down for long.

While they've always played Navy, they had a tougher schedule pre Kelly. They signed that ACC deal under his watch.

They have a real coach again, so not sure they are all that afraid of anyone.

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ND will not join the Big10. That conference has three good teams and may have a couple more in the near future. There is no way ND wants to put its privileged position in jeopardy. This year, the join records of Notre Dame's opponents in their wins was 46-61.

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And a quarter of those wins were just one team… Us.

ND isn't going anywhere.. the last time they were screwed out of a chance at a national title was way back in 1993.

Generally, they get the benefit of the doubt.. like in 2020 over A&M..

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YouBet said:

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hph6203 said:

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Much smaller pool of teams for all of those leagues and no one cares about FCS.

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Yet they all still figured it out and FBS can't because of absurd special riders.

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By allowing everyone and their dog into the playoff.

NFL equivalent playoff in college is 60 playoff teams.
NBA equivalent is 90.

More teams the more rounds required and football is not a sport conducive to playing a ton more games than they already do.

100% of the teams with a realistic shot at winning the championship are in.

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Yeah, I'm not saying to expand it. I don't think they should. The three obvious no brainer changes to make right now for immediate improvement:

1. Remove affirmative action for G5 schools.
2. Kill the Notre Dame carve out.
3. Publish the selection criteria before the season starts and be transparent. Every other league is transparent with their selection criteria.

I frankly don't think anyone below about 8 has any chance of wining it all anyway so you could reduce the number for all I care.

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The carve outs are fine. The process is never going to be transparent unless they go back to computer selection. Once you get past a 4 team playoff it becomes an egregious mess of high end mediocrity arguing for a spot that no matter who gets in and who didn't get in would almost certainly not change the final outcome of one of the top ~6 teams winning the title.

Bitterness and disappointment is good for people.

tk for tu juan said:

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ND withdraws from bowl game consideration

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Between not playing in a conference championship game by their own design and withdrawing from any bowls they were determined to preserve the 2 loss season and to not play another good team no matter what. 1-2 was bad enough.

Taking that Top 20 USC win and going home.

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YouBet said:

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hph6203 said:

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YouBet said:

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hph6203 said:

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Much smaller pool of teams for all of those leagues and no one cares about FCS.

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Yet they all still figured it out and FBS can't because of absurd special riders.

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By allowing everyone and their dog into the playoff.

NFL equivalent playoff in college is 60 playoff teams.
NBA equivalent is 90.

More teams the more rounds required and football is not a sport conducive to playing a ton more games than they already do.

100% of the teams with a realistic shot at winning the championship are in.

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Yeah, I'm not saying to expand it. I don't think they should. The three obvious no brainer changes to make right now for immediate improvement:

1. Remove affirmative action for G5 schools.
2. Kill the Notre Dame carve out.
3. Publish the selection criteria before the season starts and be transparent. Every other league is transparent with their selection criteria.

I frankly don't think anyone below about 8 has any chance of wining it all anyway so you could reduce the number for all I care.

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The carve outs are fine. The process is never going to be transparent unless they go back to computer selection. Once you get past a 4 team playoff it becomes an egregious mess of high end mediocrity arguing for a spot that no matter who gets in and who didn't get in would almost certainly not change the final outcome of one of the top ~6 teams winning the title.

Bitterness and disappointment is good for people.

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Sorry, but a lone carve out for Notre Dame that leap frogs them above other teams is not fine. You won't be fine with it next year if we end up 11 and they end up 12 and get in and we don't.

It's total horse*****

The #20 and #24 teams getting in are total horse**** as well. It's blatantly illogical and stupid. No other sports league has such idiocy that I can think of.

Maybe not this ND thread, but a previous poster had it right when he said that the conference commissioners should be raising hell about this special carve out for a team that won't join a conference. It's a lot harder when somebody else picks your schedule with the home and away games. ND rolls their own and still loses the only two games that mattered. Why should they get a special deal?

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This is almost as great as being in. ND needs a wake up call. They haven't been any good since the 80s.

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What ? They were in the tire game last yr ? No ?

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And they sucked. Everytime they have been in the playoffs, they are bounced.

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deer corn said:

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This is almost as great as being in. ND needs a wake up call. They haven't been any good since the 80s.

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What ? They were in the tire game last yr ? No ?

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And they sucked. Everytime they have been in the playoffs, they are bounced.

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They beat #8 Indiana, #4 Penn State and #2 Georgia(SEC champ) in consecutive playoff games.

Agreed on that. I was talking about the 5 conference champions getting a spot. Notre Dame is not a conference unto themselves.

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The #20 and #24 teams getting in are total horse**** as well. It's blatantly illogical and stupid. No other sports league has such idiocy that I can think of.

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It happens all the time. The AL East could be brutal. Yankees, Red Sox, etc just take turns beating each other. But the division has several great teams with good records. The AL Central stinks. Twins win the division even though they are barely above .500 ball.

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The #20 and #24 teams getting in are total horse**** as well. It's blatantly illogical and stupid. No other sports league has such idiocy that I can think of.

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It happens all the time. The AL East could be brutal. Yankees, Red Sox, etc just take turns beating each other. But the division has several great teams with good records. The AL Central stinks. Twins win the division even though they are barely above .500 ball.

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That is a terrible comparison. The Twins would have still played 30 games against AL East opponents. Between that and a lot less talent discrepancy you can't compare the Pros to college.

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YouBet said:

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The #20 and #24 teams getting in are total horse**** as well. It's blatantly illogical and stupid. No other sports league has such idiocy that I can think of.

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It happens all the time. The AL East could be brutal. Yankees, Red Sox, etc just take turns beating each other. But the division has several great teams with good records. The AL Central stinks. Twins win the division even though they are barely above .500 ball.

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Apples and oranges.

TXAGGIES said:

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ND and tu can go independent together,bye

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Golden Tard and Burnt Tard can go independent together,bye



FIFY

Charlie 31 said:

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Never forget 2021!
Screw Notre Duh!

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Even though we got screwed, we still went to the Orange Bowl, players (all?) played and Achane had a great game. Plus he ate an orange with its skin on so there's that!

I had purged 2021 from my memory and forgotten how bad we got screwed on that.

2020 season

SEC should collectively boycott Notre Dame. Big 12 and ACC too. Force them to be the Big Ten school they should be. Big Ten should say no games until you're a full member. G5 or shut up and participate in reality.

https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/notre-dame-college-football-playoff-89a28b0d?st=YrnCkV&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

I went to comment on Jason Gay's op/ed on ND's exclusion. Tried seven times - editing out anything that might sound confrontational or cursing...got rejected by the bots. I even shortened it to two brief but negative-towards-ND sentences: Rejected.

Then i posted "I love Notre Dame!!" And it was accepted instantly.

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Be careful what you wish for. If they join the BIG it separates them from the SEC, as Michigan, Michigan State USC and Penn State are not going to stay down for long.

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Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that Mich ND Ohio St Oregon and a soon-to-be-good USC Penn St Mich St "separates themselves" from


Bama Georgia A&M LSU Florida OU Texas Tenn Auburn????

are you SERIOUS??????

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Never forget 2021!
Screw Notre Duh!

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That was the covid year. Ohio State getting in with a very truncated schedule was also anathema. Covid madness.

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Charlie 31 said:

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Never forget 2021!
Screw Notre Duh!

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That was the covid year. Ohio State getting in with a very truncated schedule was also anathema. Covid madness.

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Ohio St never should have been allowed in. Their conference even changed the rules that year so they could play in the conference championship game to help their weak-ass case.

Much as I love when we beat LSU, I don't despise the corn dogs near as much as I do OSU, PSU, Notre Dame, and tu.

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Be careful what you wish for. If they join the BIG it separates them from the SEC, as Michigan, Michigan State USC and Penn State are not going to stay down for long.

While they've always played Navy, they had a tougher schedule pre Kelly. They signed that ACC deal under his watch.

They have a real coach again, so not sure they are all that afraid of anyone.

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So you're saying that the B1G and ND will actually have to play decent teams for the majority of conference play? I'm for it.

ND lives on cupcakes!

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Ohio St never should have been allowed in. Their conference even changed the rules that year so they could play in the conference championship game to help their weak-ass case.

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B1G changed their rules a couple of times that season. They thought they would be the leader and all of the rest of the conferences would fall into line. But the SEC said furk that! We want to play football and set their conference only schedule which was still more games than the B1G had.

But as usual, the Committee and ESPN decided to not "penalize" tOSU because their conference commissioner was a little scared ninny. And the ACC also lobbied hard on ND's behalf that year which makes it ironic they are so pissed at the ACC for promoting an actual conference member, Miami in the same fashion.

Typical ND entitlement, need special treatment over their own nominal conference mates.

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SEC should collectively boycott Notre Dame. Big 12 and ACC too. Force them to be the Big Ten school they should be. Big Ten should say no games until you're a full member. G5 or shut up and participate in reality.

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We don't think that ND's choice to play half their games with ACC opponents was motivated by some noble (like a gift to the ACC) reason, do we? Why didn't they choose to do the same with Big10 or SEC opponents? Or even the BIG12? We know why and they know why. It was to find the easiest way to get into the CFP while creating the illusion that they were actually IN a conference when they weren't. Screw them.

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hph6203 said:

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SEC should collectively boycott Notre Dame. Big 12 and ACC too. Force them to be the Big Ten school they should be. Big Ten should say no games until you're a full member. G5 or shut up and participate in reality.

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We don't think that ND's choice to play half their games with ACC opponents was motivated by some noble (like a gift to the ACC) reason, do we? Why didn't they choose to do the same with Big10 or SEC opponents? Or even the BIG12? We know why and they know why. It was to find the easiest way to get into the CFP while creating the illusion that they were actually IN a conference when they weren't. Screw them.

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Nobody else would accept them for the other sports without it. While it isn't impossible to find 12 games for football, imagine doing a women's basketball schedule.

The real question in my mind is 'how much more of this **** can NBC take before withdrawing?

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The real question in my mind is 'how much more of this **** can NBC take before withdrawing?

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Probably quite a bit. It's the official school for all of US Catholicism. They have some breathing room here.

These tv execs want a piece of the ND pie. This is America baby, independence is natural. We ain't joining the socialist herds in a conference. F ESPN

ND is acting like a spoiled child but do you really think bama deserved to be in over ND or Vandy

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ND is acting like a spoiled child but do you really think bama deserved to be in over ND or Vandy

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Yes

Bama deserved to be in over both of them easily.

Vandy head to head win.
Notre Dame beat one top 25 and the rest of their schedule was garbage. Bama beat 4 ranked SEC teams in a row. One being the SEC champ.

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flyrancher said:

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The real question in my mind is 'how much more of this **** can NBC take before withdrawing?

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Probably quite a bit. It's the official school for all of US Catholicism. They have some breathing room here.

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Don't assume that ND is the default school of choice for Catholic fans. I'm Catholic and honestly don't know many, if any, ND fans. They're Aggies, LSU, Tech, Nebraska, etc. fans that are much more likely to hate on ND than pull for them. Especially after this tantrum episode.